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== g'day! ==
[[User talk:Elohimgenius Archive1]]<br>
. Again, welcome! --[[User:MarkGallagher|fuddlemark]] ([[User talk:MarkGallagher|fuddle me!]]) 11:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
==neutrality of "Moors"==
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==Tokey Hill Page==
Rory, what needs to be cleaned up on the Tokey Hill page? Thanks--[[User:Elohimgenius|Gnosis]] 14:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
:It just needs to be a little less [[WP:NPOV|POV]]. Try replacing some "soon, he..." with specific dates, and have less adjectives inflating him. Also, you need to provide a source for that picture, or it can be deleted in 7 days. --<
::It doesn't, because it's fair use, but you have to say where you actually got the image. If you scanned it, you have to say so on the image's page, if you got it yourself, you have to say so, etc. --<
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==[[Moors]]==
Great job at the article. -- ''[[User:FayssalF|Szvest]] 19:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)'' ''19:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)'' <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<
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== Moor link on your userpage ==
Hi, the link you have about your Moorish ancestry points to [[Moor]], which is a disambiguation page. The page about the group of people called the Moors is at [[Moors]]. I'd change it myself for you but that last user I did that for got mad. Thanks! [[User:Bradtcordeiro|Brad T. Cordeiro]] 00:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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== Sources ==
Hi. Don't want to seem "out to getcha" but you need to come up with sourcing for the Gibran article. All you have really sourced is the Wu-Tang lawsuit (the newsletter counts for little as regards [[WP:BIO]] notability). Otherwise it comes across as a puff-piece for a non-notable designer and we don't do that here. The same for the claim in [[memetic engineering]]; I don't see his name in any of the sources there. Please source or I will have to remove the names from that article. Thanks. --[[User:Alfadog|Alfadog]] ([[User talk:Alfadog|talk]]) 12:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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==Moors==
Hi. The article has changed a lot since the time you are presumably speaking of. Other editors including myself have since added many images, links, and actual sources which your revert completely did away with. The fact remains that you can't single-handedly remove the edits of a bunch of different editors just because the page isn't as it used to be -- the latter is to be expected. Now, if you can find a way of incorporating into the current version the material that you feel is essential, then please do that instead of completely undo/removing other editors' work without consensus. Best Regards, [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 09:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:What gives? Well, for starters, you're removing reliable sources ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252126746&oldid=252126161 1], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=next&oldid=252126746 2], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=next&oldid=252126881 3]). And when you're not doing that, you're [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252129687&oldid=252127210 replacing] them with Afrocentric ones. I believe I also made this clear in my edit summaries ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252127210&oldid=252127136 1], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252130690&oldid=252130558 2]). And Irene Marsha Silverblatt is only a "Eurocentrist" in your personal interpretation whereas Ivan Van Sertima is infamous for his Afrocentric views. [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 10:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's clear at this point that you are trying to insert your POV and [[Wikipedia:No_original_research|original research]] into the [[Moors]] article. First, you remove reliable sources ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252126746&oldid=252126161 1], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=next&oldid=252126746 2], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=next&oldid=252126881 3]); then you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252129687&oldid=252127210 replace] them with Afrocentric ones; next, you reference a source -- ''Origin and Evolution of the Human Race'' by Albert Churchward -- which does not once mention Moors let alone their ethnicity, nor the "biased Westerners" you spoke of in your latest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252135805&oldid=252135380 edit]. Kindly stop with this disruptive, transparent charade. [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 11:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I am not mistaken since I have access to an online database which includes Albert Churchward's ''Origin and Evolution of the Human Race''. And the book does not once mention Moors. This, in fact, is why you are unable to produce a page number citing which exact page in the book supports your assertion. And Afrocentric sources -- like the Ivan Van Sertima book you cited in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252129687&oldid=252127210 this] edit, and the Afrocentric "African Front" website you referenced in your [http://africanfront.com/umorusymbolism.php latest diatribe] -- most certainly are questionable sources. Per [[WP:QS]]:
:::<blockquote>Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for fact-checking. Questionable sources include websites and publications that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions, are promotional in nature, or express views that are widely acknowledged as [[extremist]] or [[WP:PSCI|pseudoscience]]. Because of this, they can be treated similarly to the way self-published sources are treated. Questionable sources should only be used as sources about themselves as described [[#Self-published and questionable sources about themselves|below]]. Articles about such sources should not repeat any contentious claims the source has made about third parties, unless those claims have also been published by reliable sources.</blockquote>
:::You complain about non-existent "Eurocentrism", yet have no qualms whatsoever about including Afrocentric sources in the article. Gimme a break. [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 11:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::::LOL The book doesn't once mention Moors. That's pure original research on your part and you know it. This is why you are still and will forever more be unable to produce a page number supporting your assertion. I suggest you quit playing these silly games, and stop trying to deceive Wikipedia's readership. [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 11:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. The book does need to mention Moors and explicitly because, believe it or not, Moors is what the [[Moors]] article is actually about -- not [[Berbers]] or [[Arabs]]. This is the only way the information can be rendered [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]] to the reading public. From [[WP:VER]]:
::::<blockquote>Sources should '''directly support''' the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made; ''if an article topic has no reliable sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it.'' See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]] for queries about the reliability of particular sources.</blockquote>
::::And from [[WP:PROVEIT]]:
::::<blockquote>The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material '''challenged or likely to be challenged''' should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|inline citation]].<ref>When content in Wikipedia requires direct substantiation, the established convention is to provide an inline citation to the supporting references. The rationale is that this provides the most direct means to verify whether the content is consistent with the references. Alternative conventions exist, and are acceptable ''if'' they provide ''clear and precise'' attribution for the article's assertions, but inline citations are considered 'best practice' under this rationale. For more details, please consult [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How to cite sources]].</ref> The source cited must clearly support the information as it is presented in the article.<ref>When there is dispute about whether the article text is fully supported by the given source, direct quotes from the source and any other details requested should be provided as a courtesy to substantiate the reference.</ref> The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question. Editors should cite sources fully, providing as much publication information as possible, including page numbers when citing books.</blockquote>
::::What you are doing -- as your latest [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moors&diff=252143625&oldid=252141943 edit summary] cleary shows: "reference provides proof of Western/Sub Suharan African Diaspora in North Africa where Moors are said to have been from which dispells the claims of the statement Moors were not Negroes" -- is attempting to discredit the sourced assertion that Moors were not blacks simply because there may have been some blacks present in North Africa, a conclusion that the Churchward source itself never reaches (to do that, it first needs to mention Moors!). This is known as [[Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_published_material_which_advances_a_position|synthesis]] and is a common form of [[Wikipedia:OR|original research]]. From [[WP:SYNTH]]:
::::<blockquote>Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources.</blockquote>
::::<blockquote>Synthesis occurs when an editor puts together multiple sources to reach a novel conclusion that is not in any of the sources. Even if published by reliable sources, material must not be connected together in such a way that it constitutes original research. If the sources cited ''do not'' explicitly reach the same conclusion, or if the sources cited are not directly related to the article subject, then the editor is engaged in original research. Summarizing source material without changing its meaning is not synthesis; it is good editing. The best practice is to write Wikipedia articles by taking information from different reliable sources about a subject and putting those claims on an article page in our own words, yet true to the original intent — with each claim attributable to a source that explicitly makes that claim.</blockquote>
::::All in all, it's a quite embarrassingly obvious bit of original research. [[User:Causteau|Causteau]] ([[User talk:Causteau|talk]]) 12:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
In general I have to echo [[causteau]]'s criticism and note you have been [[edit war]]ing and violating the [[3RR]]. The phrase that seems to have you upset in the introduction perhaps can be reworded - I have not seen the actual work being cited, but inserting questionable POV edits is not the proper reaction. ([[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] ([[User talk:Collounsbury|talk]]) 14:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC))
In reply to your note on my talk:
:: Well, first let's get down to neutral facts. Your edit was rather POV - at the same time I can see why the statement cited [that is the no Negro thing] would irritate. I think it is factually more on base than yours, but it is not 100%. It also seems to be of dubious relevance - "Moors" (a word with more than one meaning over time) shifting ethnic meaning is discussed later in the article and with more nuance. I would suggest we agree on moving the line into the ethnic discussion, and rendering the phrasing more balance. ([[User:Collounsbury|collounsbury]] ([[User talk:Collounsbury|talk]]) 17:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC))
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== Your edits have been discussed at [[WP:AN3|the 3RR noticeboard]] ==
Hello Elohimgenius. Wikipedia has a noticeboard to discuss possible violations of the [[Wikipedia:3RR|Three-revert rule]]. There is a 3RR case [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Elohimgenius_reported_by_User:collounsbury_.28Result:_Malformed.2FIncomplete.29 here] which complains about your editing of [[Moors]]. Though the case ended with no sanctions, I hope you will be more careful when you have a difference of opinion with other editors. If you wish to give your own opinion, you may add it to that report. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
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