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==568ml vs 570ml==
Pint glasses should be 568ml. That is the conversion from imperial fluid ounces to millilitres and therefore is what a PINT is. Yes, you may find some glasses are actually 570ml, but how does this affect the consumer? You are not short changing them in any way, shape or form.
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Please sign each submission, at least with "[[Special:Contributions/205.177.176.242|205.177.176.242]] ([[User talk:205.177.176.242|talk]]) 13:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)" (as an example - it's done by using four tilde's) as the conversation tends to flow into each other looking like someone is making a statement that he subsequently disagrees with.
Also - using the term "Luddite" against someone effectively resolves the argument because in many cases the calling of names hides the underlying knowledge that the person issuing the insult is simply wanting people to believe his point of view, no matter how unfounded and ridiculous it may seem.
 
I need to add, though, that UK glasses do not have the metric equivalent etched into the glass since no change has been made to their manufacture and use over time. It's entirely possible that boxes containing such containers quotes a translation to 568ml however I do not have that information to hand. The challenge is to find a UK pint glass in a pub that has any form of metric announcement on it. It does not exist as millions of Brits would confirm this on a Friday night! [[Special:Contributions/205.177.176.242|205.177.176.242]] ([[User talk:205.177.176.242|talk]]) 13:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
(Pedantic correction over "manufacture and use over time" in that the UK Crown insignia has been replaced by an EU symbol - thus making the UK even MORE warming and supportive of being inside the EU <cough> ) [[Special:Contributions/205.177.176.242|205.177.176.242]] ([[User talk:205.177.176.242|talk]]) 13:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
:The real reason for the replacement of the crown by a CE(?) symbol was the privatization of the industry that verifies the size of the glass. Just as MoTs are carried out by private garages, verifying measuring devices such as petrol pumps, beer mugs etc is carried out by private firms. Firms are licenced to do the checks by national governments, but follow international standards. The upshot is that pint glasses made in the UK can be sold in Ireland without having a harp etched onto them and vice-versa. The crown was removed because government-appointed trading standards officers no longer do the job.
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You make a genuinely interesting point, however I wonder why there should be a CE (non-privatized) symbol and not a UK style 'permitted' stamp. The irony is that although it's possible to get a real pint in Europe the normal practice is to serve a 'pint' that could be anything from 450ml to 600ml. In Paris you can ask for a pint and get 500ml in certain places. The irony is that the very place that does not regulate a pint internally is clarifying a 'proper pint' as used in the UK and Ireland. Furthermore - if the CE accreditation is to qualify that a glass holds a real pint (ie that of 20 oz, not one that is a translation of 568ml despite it being exactly the same) then continental countries are - technically - only allowed to serve pints based on the UK type. In this case the pint has grown from being a 'UK / IRL only' specification to being a real measure across the whole of Europe. Wacky. [[Special:Contributions/78.147.224.171|78.147.224.171]] ([[User talk:78.147.224.171|talk]]) 21:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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In the real world manufacturers don't always follow a conversion especially if the conversion doesn't work out to a rounded number. They deliberately will round the value to male it easier to make and easier to market. [[Special:Contributions/68.105.199.216|68.105.199.216]] ([[User talk:68.105.199.216|talk]]) 17:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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Strange as it may seem - pub pints are not defined via metric or converted etc. They are simply "1 pint glasses" - there's no reference to metric although you can use maths to get an equivalent [[Special:Contributions/78.147.224.171|78.147.224.171]] ([[User talk:78.147.224.171|talk]]) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 
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Are these the two different styles of which you speak? While I was making these images, my bartending source (U.S., just like I am) simply called (#1) a "Pub glass" (which are apparently somewhat uncommon in the U.S., unless you go to a bar that tries to capture the European feel), and (#2) was a "Pint glass" or a "Mixing glass" (since they are commonly used for that purpose as well). It strikes me as odd that there are marking lines and such, or even that the bartenders are supposed to be so careful about measurements. Maybe I just have watched too many bad bartenders, but most seem to have little care as to how much precisely goes into the glass. I've certainly never seen anyone use a spatula or anything like that to shave the head off. What an amusing concept. I'm generalizing here, but I'm guessing that many more Americans would rather get drunk fast than observe the nuances of proper drinking, at least compared to many Europeans. (And generalizations like that are bound to get me in trouble with either somebody who ''resents'' that statement or ''resembles'' it. :-) Beyond that bit of ethnocentric information, I can't really shed any light on the subject. I'd be curious to know what people from elsewhere (even in the U.S. if different) call these two glasses.
 
I've included three other images I created of various pilsner glasses (on the wrong talk page, I suppose, but it's a related issue). #3 I was told is a "standard" pilsner glass, and #4 was an "hourglass" one used with wheat beers, and #5 was for use in more upscale restaurants and at banquet settings (such as in hotel ballroom events). I'd appreciate any comments on these three, too. Thanks! --[[User:Willscrlt|<fontspan colorstyle="color: #C71585"; font-family: face="Tahoma;">'''Willscrlt'''</fontspan>]]&nbsp;<small>(<fontspan colorstyle="color: #4169E1"; font-family: face="Tahoma;">[[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color: #4169E1;">'''T'''</span><span style="color: #4169E1;">alk</span>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Willscrlt|<span style="color: #4169E1;">'''C'''</span><span style="color: #4169E1;">ntrb</span>]]</fontspan>)</small> 14:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 
:#In my experience, they are often commonly called "handled" glasses (as the bulge acts a handle to provide grip if the glass is slippery). However, "nonic" seems to be the semi-official term; I'd guess that "pub glass" is just a US term to describe the type of glass which is by far the most common in a "British [[Public house|pub]]" as it were.
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"United Kingdom law requires certain steps be taken to ensure that a pint of beer is indeed a pint. Though this can be achieved using so-called "metered dispense" (calibrated pumps), the more normal solution is to use certified one-pint glasses. These have a crown stamp and number '''etched''' upon them." (my emphasis)
 
- Metered 'perfect pint' systems are used - for example - at rugby stadium bars where the throughput of humans is enormous, esp at half time. There are different types - I have seen a system that spins each pint glass and brims it, followed by a cap "MacDonalds style" [[Special:Contributions/205.177.176.242|205.177.176.242]] ([[User talk:205.177.176.242|talk]]) 14:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
- all the glasses I have ever seen have I think had the info printed on them in some way. If actually etched, the marks would be below the surface of the glass. If it is true you should probably change the link to [[Etching (glass)]]. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 19:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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I would like to see a single section documenting possible measurement marks seen on beer glasses. Older UK is pretty easy with the Crown mark on Pints and halfs, explaining the numbers could be done. I think the EU currently does all the glasses with a CE mark, but I am not sure. I think German glasses of the past had a mark from the glass manufacturer. I have them with VEBA, SAHM, RASTAL. Irish have the NSAI marks. Polish beer Zywiec glasses have a mark that states "Zywiec" next to it so the beer maker is certifying? I suppose this doesn't belong under Pint as many are parts of liter measure. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.245.225.131|64.245.225.131]] ([[User talk:64.245.225.131|talk]]) 14:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
:The article is called "Pint glass" not "Beer glass" so any such section would be inappropriate here . You could include such a section on the [[Beer glassware]] page though, if you were prepared to do the necessary research. [[User:Jongleur100| <fontspan style="color:#990000;">'''''♦ Jongleur<sup>100</sup> ♦'''''</fontspan>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jongleur100|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 16:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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== Bulged glasses (Irish glasses) ==
 
There are an another shape for glasses usually associated to Ireland. These glasses are bulged.
 
[[http://www.brewreviewcrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/irish-imperial-pint-glass-300x300.jpg|Bulged glass]]
 
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== Brexit ==
 
How will the markings be done post-Brexit? Obviously not CE, will we see a return to the crown? [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 21:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
:Broadly speaking, the CE mark is to be replaced by [[UKCA marking]] (but see [[UKCA marking#Northern Ireland]]). The latest deadline is 1 January 2023. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 22:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks. Pity the crown isn't returning, but that would require bureaucratic common sense, an oxymoron if ever there was! Will you be updating the article? [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 08:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I wasn't planning to. All I know is that the overall deadline for replacing CE has been put back, not how any of it applies to pint glasses. You can have this one. :) [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 10:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
::::{{done}} I've added a minimal sentence since we are still in a transition phase. [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 11:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 
== "within the EU" ==
 
It seems that this part should be updated ? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB00:840E:2D00:E8C8:A482:9F82:90E6|2A01:CB00:840E:2D00:E8C8:A482:9F82:90E6]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB00:840E:2D00:E8C8:A482:9F82:90E6|talk]]) 12:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)