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:Agree. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 09:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
::Useful content has been merged, and the manor title has been restored to a disambiguation page, which it originally was. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 09:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
:::It hasn't been a dab page since 2011. I think there is a primary meaning and I wonder why "manorialism" (the construct) is deemed the appropriate title for the main article. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 02:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
::::I think it is worth having a discussion on the name. I expect that the average reader would not be that familiar with the term "manorialism". I think they would be more familiar with the term "manor system" or, less so, "manorial system". [[Manorial system]] is an existing redirect so I have added it as an alternative name in the lead. I am unsure about using "manor" as the name for this article as people commonly conflate "manor house" with "manor" so the term "manor" for some readers means the house not the land nor the manorial system. We could have a quick straw poll here and see if it's worth going to a full name change discussion.
::::Which name do people feel is most appropriate for this article:
::::[[Manor]]
::::[[Manorialism]]
::::[[Manor system]]
::::[[Manorial system]]
::::I have a slight personal preference for [[Manor system]] as I think that is easier to understand, but it's not the most common term in reliable sources. Reliable sources mostly use [[Manorialism]], and as that is the existing name, that is the one I feel is most appropriate. I don't think using [[Manor]] would be appropriate as "manor" is a unit of land in manorialism (or the manor system), so "manor" is only a part of what this article is about. However, it's not worth having a separate article on "manor" as <s>the</s> [one] explanation for what a manor is would be this article, so the two articles would essentially just duplicate each other. I am also not keen on having [[Manor]] redirect here as the primary term, because enough people use "manor" to mean the big house, rather than the unit of land belonging to "manorialism" that they may get confused landing here after typing "manor" to get to an article on [[manor house]], whereas at the moment they land on the disamb page and can quickly and easily find what they are after. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 02:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::It seems absurd to me to define a manor in terms of manorialism. Like defining a fief in terms of feudalism. Does manorialism exist by definition wherever there are manors? [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 02:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::I think we are in agreement, which is why I feel manor should redirect to a disamb page. The word has multiple meanings, only one of which is that a manor is a unit in manorialism. A manor is often understood to be a house - generally the main house in the area, often called The Manor, even though it may never have been the official manor house, sometimes a house and the estate around it (would could be distinct from manorialism - just a house and estate which never had a manor court, etc), in slang a manor is a person's local area, etc. Better for us to deal with each of the meanings of manor in their own articles than to try and explain it all in one article and to have a disamb page allowing people to find the actual meaning they were looking for, and also to see that there are other potential meanings. This article, manorialism, isn't about manor, it is about the manor system. I don't think the manor system itself is one of the possible definitions of manor.
::::::Ah. I see! I have now made a slight adjustment in what I wrote on the 9th - changing "the" for "one". I had the previous manor article in my mind as I wrote that, which did attempt to describe a manor simply as a unit in manorialism, ignoring the other possible meanings - see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manor_(feudal_Europe)&oldid=946670313]. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 08:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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:Agree. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 09:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, I think that there is enough consensus to do the change. I have added the BE template to the top of this page and will start making the language of the main article consistent.[[User:Jtrrs0|Jtrrs0]] ([[User talk:Jtrrs0|talk]]) 12:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
== Pirenne-these ==
The Pirenne-these has been disproved. [[Special:Contributions/134.58.253.20|134.58.253.20]] ([[User talk:134.58.253.20|talk]]) 14:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
:This comment refers to [[Special:Diff/1178407157|this edit]] about [[Henri Pirenne]]'s thesis (that's the English word, but it seems it's called a [[wikt:these#Dutch|"these" in Dutch]]). I know very little about the subject but that seems like a reasonable edit to make. [[User:Graham87|Graham87]] ([[User talk:Graham87|talk]]) 14:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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