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:The article is currently categorized under [[:Category:Ethnic groups in Europe]] and [[:Category:East Slavs]], so please do not repeatedly restore contested edits. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::Mellk, you surely are able to reply to my concerns, aren't you? [[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 06:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::It is strange for the lead to include both an ethnic group and nationality while the body refers to ethnic Russians specifically, including origins and history, genetics, geographic distribution etc. This has been discussed many times before, since the article has been referring to the ethnic group for 20 years. You may have noticed the archives on this talk page and other associated pages; [[rossiyane]] does not even redirect here. I would suggest to
::::"Rossiyane" translates to Russians. The article body can be extended to talk about both meanings but the lead should inform the reader that when they see the word "Russians", it may mean either [[:ru:Русские|Русские — Википедия (wikipedia.org)]] or [[:ru:Россияне|Россияне — Википедия (wikipedia.org)]] . [[User:Manyareasexpert|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert|talk]]) 11:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::The wording should be proposed here and then there should be clear consensus to change this. The wording in the edit by Rsk6400 is something akin to a dictionary definition. Wikipedia is [[WP:DICT|not a dictionary]]. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 11:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Everybody can improve it instead of deleting. ''... may also denote the people of the multi-ethnic Russian state'' , as it was, is a good start for me. [[User:Manyareasexpert|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert|talk]]) 12:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::The body already includes non- ethnic Russians: [[Osip Mandelstam]], [[Grigori Perelman]], [[Sergei Eisenstein]] (father was no ethnic Russian). Shall we really discuss whether [[Gogol]] was an ethnic Russian and then delete him from the article? [[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 16:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::He was "hybrid" or something ethnicity (from Gogol article). [[User:Manyareasexpert|ManyAreasExpert]] ([[User talk:Manyareasexpert|talk]]) 17:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
The formula "who share a common Russian ancestry, culture, and history" was introduced by user Danloud in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russians&diff=972149803&oldid=971737121 this edit]. That user has been blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. [[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 05:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:A similar sentence was present before that edit. This was four years ago and the same editor added the bulk of the culture section, so I am not sure how [[WP:BE]] can be applied here.
:What do you propose should be changed in the lead? The other issue is that the population figures for example represent ethnic Russians (the population of Russia is over 140 million, not 105 million). Before there was [[Rossiyane]] but it was merged to [[Russian citizenship law]] (see [[Talk:Rossiyane]]). If nobody can agree on what the article should fundamentally be about, then this will only cause problems in the future. [[User:Mellk|Mellk]] ([[User talk:Mellk|talk]]) 13:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::I'd suggest we solve first the question whether the clause {{tq|who share a common Russian ancestry, culture, and history}} should be removed. It is completely unsourced, and so IMHO it has to be removed. Mellk, if you object to the removal, I think you should provide a source. [[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 09:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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