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== Requested move at [[Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985)#Requested move 5 January 2024]] ==
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985)#Requested move 5 January 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Vanderwaalforces|Vanderwaalforces]] ([[User talk:Vanderwaalforces|talk]]) 21:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 
Hey,
I wanted to ask you guys which you think should be used when a character has been portrayed by several actors so that there can be some consistency: whether it should be "character (actor 1/ actor 2)" or "character (actor 1, actor 2)". E.g:
 
1.) "The character was later married to [[Ridge Forrester]] ([[Ronn Moss]]/ [[Thorsten Kaye]])"
 
2.) "The character was later married to [[Ridge Forrester]] ([[Ronn Moss]], [[Thorsten Kaye]])"
 
I thought that #1 was the correct one but now I am unsure. What do you guys think? I think the first one is better personally. [[User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|DaniloDaysOfOurLives]] ([[User talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|talk]]) 11:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:I would use a slash (/) personally. – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 11:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 
== Actor names in storyline sections ==
 
Hey! Per [[MOS:TVPLOT]], it says to not include actors' names in the plot. I am very confused as I thought it was a requirement/strongly recommended to add actor names, which is what I have been doing for the articles I am making/have made. This is often missing in USA soaps, so I have been adding them as I have been drastically cleaning up some storyline sections (such as [[Thorne Forrester]] and [[Mackenzie Browning]]). So I wanted to ask what the consensus is – whether actor names should be continued to say in storyline sections. I think personally they should, and technically Storylines aren't 100% as plot, especially as plots are usually for movies/TV shows which already has a cast list beforehand. [[User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|DaniloDaysOfOurLives]] ([[User talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|talk]]) 01:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 
:Since there have been unfortunately no replies, I wanted to ask again. The reason I asked is because I saw on [[Talk:Neighbours 30th Anniversary]] that actor names were recommended to be removed to comply with the MOS. I think however storyline sections are separate to plot sections as character pages do not have a list of characters/cast members like films/TV shows/episodes often do. I think that actor names should be next to the character but I wanted to bring this up to nip this in the bud/add it to the soap guidelines? Also just to clarify, I am not criticising the comment on the GA nomination or anything AT ALL - I just wanted to clarify :) Pinging {{ping|Meena|Raintheone|TAnthony|Adamstom.97|Soaper1234|Therealscorp1an|JuneGloom07}} (I am so so sorry if I have missed anyone) [[User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|DaniloDaysOfOurLives]] ([[User talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|talk]]) 10:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== Former characters ==
 
Hey, there is this discussion on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Hollyoaks characters]] (I did not start it) which might interest people here. I have commented my views there but thought that others may be interested in contributing. [[User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|DaniloDaysOfOurLives]] ([[User talk:DaniloDaysOfOurLives|talk]]) 08:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:I would like to implore all soap editors to comment on this as the future of '''every soap''' former character list and even '''annual character lists''' are being questioned on the above linked discussion. {{U|JuneGloom07}}, {{U|Soaper1234}}, {{U|Raintheone}}, {{U|AnemoneProjectors}}, {{U|Livelikemusic}}, {{U|Conquistador2k6}}, {{U|TAnthony}} and anyone else that happens across this. – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 14:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 
::{{Reply to|Meena}} Thank you for the ping; will be taking an immediate look at this. '''<span style="font-size:95%;">[[User:livelikemusic|<span style="color:#2980b9">livelikemusic</span>]]</span>''' <span style="font-size:95%;">([[User talk:livelikemusic|<span style="color:#8e44ad">TALK!</span>]])</span> 01:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Will Davies (Hollyoaks)]] ==
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== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Carrie Owen]] ==
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The article [[:Carrie Owen]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32;because of the following concern:
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== Nomination of [[:Darlene Taylor (Hollyoaks)]] for deletion ==
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:Darlene Taylor (Hollyoaks)]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].
 
The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darlene Taylor (Hollyoaks)]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
 
== Requested move at [[Talk:Rita Sullivan#Requested move 2 May 2024]] ==
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Rita Sullivan#Requested move 2 May 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Wikiexplorationandhelping|Wikiexplorationandhelping]] ([[User talk:Wikiexplorationandhelping|talk]]) 01:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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== FAR for Pauline Fowler ==
== Collaborative improvements and discussion ==
 
I have nominated [[Pauline Fowler]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Pauline Fowler/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. 🍕[[User:Boneless Pizza!|<span style="background:orange;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Boneless</span> Pizza!</span>]]🍕 ([[User talk:Boneless Pizza!|🔔]]) 11:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
With the recent surge in AfDs, PRODs, merges and general scrutiny on soap articles, I believe it's time we took collaborative action on the state of articles. Whether we like it or not, many of the soaps' early articles are in a bad way and we have all ignored it for too long (myself included, no blame here). I'd like to propose a project where the community improve an article (or a small few) each week so that we can get the standards up. I could potentially make a table with info for when we would improve each article, beginning with Hollyoaks listicles and gradually moving on to Hollyoaks character articles, and then other soaps afterwards.
 
== Episode numbers ==
I would only wanna set this up if there are editors that will actually do it with me. I don't expect undying loyalty where you sign your name up and are expected to improve the entire face of the project, but I'd hope for some form of dedication to the project, as we all care about the soaps and want to improve the site. You don't have to edit every soap either, if you only watch certain ones, feel free to dip in and out. Pinging soap editors to see if anyone is interested in joining / suggesting anything. {{U|JuneGloom07}}, {{U|Soaper1234}}, {{U|Raintheone}}, {{U|AnemoneProjectors}}, {{U|Livelikemusic}}, {{U|Conquistador2k6}}, {{U|TAnthony}}, {{U|Adavid299}}, {{U|Connorguy99}}, {{U|Yoshi876}}, {{U|Andyplymouth}}, {{U|DaniloDaysOfOurLives}}. Aaaaand anyone else that sees this! – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 17:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 
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:The issue I have is the original research aspect of episode numbers. They are being added by various IPs, sock accounts and grouped edits that appear to have been arranged off Wikipedia. When asked where the information came from, one IP stated it was from Fandom which certainly is not a reliable source. Some episodes are grouped together, broadcast on the same day etc. I would not argue with them being added, if in the development section the information is sourced. The source would need to clearly state the episode number and the first appearance date. These random additions seem harmless but how many errors are we potentially allowing to be introduced? It is easier to just not include the information.[[User:Raintheone|<b style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</b>]] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<b style="color:green">the 1</b>]]</small> 11:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 
== Requested move at [[Talk:Stephanie Scully#Requested move 3 July 2024]] ==
::Hollyoaks is the only soap that I do watch, I'm more than happy to help out where I can, I began watching in 2013, so things before then are a little alien to me. Table would be really good to have set up to see what needs to be done. I can't pledge to be the most active person, but I'm will to help out where I can. [[User:Yoshi876|Yoshi876]] ([[User talk:Yoshi876|talk]]) 22:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Stephanie Scully#Requested move 3 July 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:SafariScribe|Safari Scribe]]</span><sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/SafariScribe|'''''Edits!''''']] [[User talk:SafariScribe|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 23:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hiya, agree with both of you that there’s been a spate of deletions of late; not sure if something has prompted it but it’s frustrating, especially when information is accurate but just has issues with sourcing. Sourcing is something I’m fairly obsessive about and whilst I don’t have physical sources am reasonably good at tracking stuff down if it’s out there somewhere.
:I currently watch EastEnders, Emmerdale and Hollyoaks, which is the latest soap I started watching in 2016. I’m a literally never miss an episode person. [[User:Andyplymouth|Andyplymouth]] ([[User talk:Andyplymouth|talk]]) 22:41, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== FAR for Poppy Meadow ==
::: {{Re|DaniloDaysOfOurLives|Yoshi876|Andyplymouth}} Amazing that we already have the support of 4 editors incl. myself! I'll draw up a table later and take article length into consideration when allocating. Thinking 1-3 articles each week. The table will be located on a subpage but I'm gonna display it on this talk page and the main [[WP:SOAPS]] page too. – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 09:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::::Sounds like a plan! I’ve not done ‘organised’ editing before, tend to just update stuff if and when I notice it so can I ask is this just be a case of focusing on what’s current on that table or do I need (or more accurately would it be helpful) to do anything else? [[User:Andyplymouth|Andyplymouth]] ([[User talk:Andyplymouth|talk]]) 01:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 
I have nominated [[Poppy Meadow]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Poppy Meadow/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. 🍕[[User:Boneless Pizza!|<span style="background:orange;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Boneless</span> Pizza!</span>]]🍕 ([[User talk:Boneless Pizza!|🔔]]) 12:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:Although I wasn't pinged and probably would only be able to help with ''Neighbours'' articles, I'm in. - [[User:Therealscorp1an|Therealscorp1an]] ([[User talk:Therealscorp1an|talk]]) 10:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
::{{U|Therealscorp1an}}, hi, I've seen your comments in a fair few discussions but don't think we've ever really interacted as I don't watch the Aus soaps. But would love to have you on-board! – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 10:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
:::All good! I'd love to be off assistance where possible. - [[User:Therealscorp1an|Therealscorp1an]] ([[User talk:Therealscorp1an|talk]]) 23:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
: '''Update''' I have made a table of articles to be improved on what weeks. See: '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas/Improvement drive]]'''. – [[User:Meena|Meena]] • 11:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
:I will help but it does seem like a drive to improve ''Hollyoaks'' articles. I think there are other articles that need attention first. Characters put forward for improvement such as Darren, Cindy and Nancy hardly need saving from the brink of deletion. Sure, they need updating but so does nearly every character. Characters such as Jodie Nash and Scott Anderson could have been worked on rather than merged. The 1997 character list is up for deletion yet no one has done anything to improve it. Who is adding sources today? Lets go crazy and churn out edits..[[User:Raintheone|<b style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</b>]] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<b style="color:green">the 1</b>]]</small> 10:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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