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==General discussion==
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:I'm not prepared to write this myself, but an article on the Party's various logos might be in order. We'd have quite a bit to mention–the history of the torch logo and its association with Thatcherism, the new one and the reasons for the change, the Scottish one being a little different, the cost, etc. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 01:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
== Nothing to do with "POV" ==
I really do not want to have to go on at length about what follows, but I have had these style edits reverted twice now by one contributor, with the revert being based on a "POV" accusation. So, here goes, one by one:
1. "Perhaps the most notable Conservative economic policy....." If you really think that opposition to the euro is "perhaps the most notable" policy, then you must realize that the point of a policy is not simply a negative stance or a negation (e.g. opposition). Opposition (to the Euro) in this case means nothing if there is not something to be preserved (the Pound). Also, the addition of the phrase "support for the pound" adds balance, in that it makes the stance (subtly, to be sure) something more than just being ''against'' something.
2. "David Cameron and William Hague .... EU" -- Here i replaced a meandering 36-word section with a ten-word declarative sentence. The phrase "though providing little clear benefit.....in elections" is a repeat of a supposed fact already gone into in the article, and it is a very "soft" idea at that.
And the bit about "his equally euroskeptic foreign secretary William Hague" -- "equally euroskeptic" is not a neutral phrase. And how can you be so sure about their supposed equality on this anyway? Simply stating the two men's names with their stated policy is the clearest and tightest way to go on this one. If you want, you could certainly cite why they feel the way they do about specific treaties and what those treaties are. [but since this article is still too long I wouldn't, for one, advise that]
3. "Under current EU law" -- if we take for granted that the UK government could only renegotiate their treaties if they had full approval to do so by the other member states (btw I do not know myself to what extent this happens to be the case), it is so ''not'' because of the need to observe the good manners of gentlemanly diplomacy, nor is it an act of fate, nor is it due to Jose Baroso's mood at a given moment. If it is true at all it is true because of current EU law.
You may feel that those four words are already implied in the sentence. But because that additional phrase is the very crux of the UK's current relationship with the EU, it is a central point and should be stated. And it is a point that does not take two paragraphs to relate, only four words.
--[[User:Longlivefolkmusic|longlivefolkmusic]] 23:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
* Well, to be precise, you have not had "these style edits" reverted by me. You made sweeping, often POV, changes to the whole article. I removed all of them. Then went back over the whole lot, in turn, and put back any which were balanced and well-considered. We have now got down to these last three. Isn't that the truth?
Now, as for these three:
1. 'Support for the pound' is not a policy. It is a statement. (And a rather flag-waving one at that!) The Conservative policy has been, and remains, to not join the Euro. So I have once again reverted this surplus and inaccurate addition.
2. I prefer a short sentence too. I dont like yours. It changes the sense of what was being said. But despite your assertions to the contrary I am not unreasonable and so, as yours is a better sentence, lets keep it.
3. You are more or less correct but your comments make a change in EU law on this point look a possibility. As far as I know it is not. So the statement you wish to include is, or could be construed as being, misleading. Furthermore it is implied in the sentence without those additional words. It looks rather as if you have a point to make... all the same, if it matters to you, and as I dont want to be unfair, please keep it.
[[User:Marcus22|Marcus22]] 09:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It is time to reevaluate the way political positions are applied as clearly the Tories and Labour are too close in policy detail to describe one as centre-left and the other as centre-right. This is simply misleading as it presents a 'cosy' but misleading picture of British politics today. [[User:Poprischin|Poprischin]] 10:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
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