Talk:Chris Kenny
Latest comment: 8 years ago by 70.51.46.195 in topic Requested move 27 April 2016
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October 2015
Thanks to user:Whats new?, this article is now much better, though with room for improvement (notably sources for the first two sections).
I've removed the "Controversies" heading, thus appending the two paragraphs in that section to the "Media Career" section which retains chronological order. See WP:CRIT for justification. I think the article is better without the heading, but could be convinced otherwise.
Cheers, CWC 12:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Chris Chittleborough: Indeed room for improvement, but I was just looking to do a tidy up and add sources where I could find them. Personally, I disagree with the WP:CRIT policy regarding a controversies section, particularily for controversial figures which Kenny is on a number of fronts, but I'm not fussed about it being merged. User:Whats new?(talk) 03:30, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 27 April 2016
 | The request to rename this article to Chris Kenny has been carried out.
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Chris Kenny (journalist) → Chris Kenny – Primary topic per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The prominent Australian journalist has more page views than the retired US soccer player from the 1980s currently at the Chris Kenny article. I strongly suggest the somewhat controversial Australian journalist, associate editor of The Australian and host of a three-times-weekly national television program Viewpoint has more significance than a retired sportsman who had, according to the article as written, a (with all due respect) not particularily successful career anyway. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose first, support second, local interest only, but move soccer player out ...from occupying the "primary topic slot" to Chris Kenny (soccer)... and move Chris Kenny (disambiguation) in to Chris Kenny on the baseline. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Support – The pageview numbers clearly favour the journalist. I don't understand what "move soccer player out and move Chris Kenny (disambiguation) in over the baseline" means, but I would also support the neutral alternative of moving the soccer player to Chris Kenny (soccer), leave everything else as is, and remove the hatnotes. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 17:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Michael Bednarek:, sorry, edited above. I mean there's no one "Chris Kenny" who should be more notable than all other Chris Kennys combined. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- I'm dubious any of them is primary, but the journalist is ahead. Johnbod (talk) 09:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Procedural close nominator cannot move one article atop another article. Requested Moves is not a deletion process. If you think that the article at the target is not deserving of an article, you need ot use WP:AFD to delete it first. As you haven't said anything about the fate of the other article, this shows implicit intent to delete it-- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 08:17, 30 April 2016 (UTC)- @70.51.46.195: I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. My proposal is that the journalist article should be the primary topic at the page Chris Kenny, and its current occupant (being the article about the footballer) be moved. I'm not suggesting the footballer's article be deleted, just that it is not as prominent as the journalist/television host. -- Whats new?(talk) 11:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have lifted by objection with the updated expansion -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- I, too, am baffled by 70.51.46.195's reading of this proposal. AFAICS no article is going to be overwritten here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 16:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- The nominator says that this person is more notable, and that the destination should be for this topic without mentioning anything about what is to be done with the destination's current use. This is not a multimove request, as it doesn't use the multimove; the destination has not been informed of this request, so it is implicitly a deletion and move over top -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 05:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- @70.51.46.195: As I stated in my original reply to you, that is not my intent, and I don't think I have overtly or covertly suggested that it is. Let me again say explicity: I have proposed moving the article about the journalist to the page "Chris Kenny", and the article about the footballer away from the page "Chris Kenny" to, for example, "Chris Kenny (footballer)" or "Chris Kenny (sportsman)". I do not propose deleting the footballer's article, either as part of this move request or after the discussion has closed. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think "footballer" is appropriate, since the sportsman is a North American who played in North America, so the proper terms are "soccer" and "soccer player" Chris Kenny (soccer) or Chris Kenny (soccer player) would be the the ones to use. Chris Kenny (sportsman) seems ok though, but Chris Kenny (sportsperson) would be better, so as to not have divergent disambiguators when not needed to distinguish gender. -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- @70.51.46.195: As I stated in my original reply to you, that is not my intent, and I don't think I have overtly or covertly suggested that it is. Let me again say explicity: I have proposed moving the article about the journalist to the page "Chris Kenny", and the article about the footballer away from the page "Chris Kenny" to, for example, "Chris Kenny (footballer)" or "Chris Kenny (sportsman)". I do not propose deleting the footballer's article, either as part of this move request or after the discussion has closed. -- Whats new?(talk) 06:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- The nominator says that this person is more notable, and that the destination should be for this topic without mentioning anything about what is to be done with the destination's current use. This is not a multimove request, as it doesn't use the multimove; the destination has not been informed of this request, so it is implicitly a deletion and move over top -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 05:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- @70.51.46.195: I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. My proposal is that the journalist article should be the primary topic at the page Chris Kenny, and its current occupant (being the article about the footballer) be moved. I'm not suggesting the footballer's article be deleted, just that it is not as prominent as the journalist/television host. -- Whats new?(talk) 11:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)