Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. - Bobet 16:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle

An organization of only local importance. There are 155 Jewish Federations in the US and this one is only notable because of its role in the July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting. The content of this afd was moved from July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting and a separate article on the organization itself seems unnecessary. GabrielF 23:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with this for several reasons:

The Federation might have gained notoriety over just a shooting, but it gained notoriety nevertheless. As such it deserves its own page, which should be built up. Some ideas include a photograph, reactions to the event, and its future trajectory as it handles the event.
I think that its better for organizing article structure to include a very short paragraph on the site of the event, and then link to further information. The article on the July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting should be on the event itself, althought building a web to peripheral information is definitely needed. Inclusion of detailed information on the Center diminishes article quality, whereas including just a short blurb on the site, without further elaboration does a diservice to the site itself.
Deleting this page is eleminating information that is now needed in an encyclopedic article. Before the shooting this Federation was indeed one of many, after the shooting it is encyclopedic material. It would be a disservice to our readers if we didn't improve information on this Federation in its own page, as much as it would a be a disservice to provide this information only in an article connected to a tragic event.--Cerejota 02:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Because of the event it is indeed notable Nick Catalano _contrib ^talk 02:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep For my above stated reasons.--Cerejota 02:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Leuko 06:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect back into July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting. — RJH (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - that it was selected as a target of a quite notable crime makes it notable; we keep bios of nearly executed murderer not because of any notability of their own, but if the government thinks it is soooooo important to kill them, that is notability in itself. Here, a guy singled out this organization to avenge what he didn't like going on in Mideast. That's notable, because ladies and gents, no other religious federation of anywhere else in the US can claim that it has suffered a fatality due to that. Carlossuarez46 20:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. (The person who selected it as a target of a notable crime was crazy; who knows what his reasoning was. Perhaps he has a dislike of Seattle, as well.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats OR. The person who did the shooting unequivocally stated that it was because "of what is going in Israel". Site was not randomly targetted but politically targetted.--Cerejota 07:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He said, "who knows what his reasoning was". We don't know. Just because a crazy person says something doesn't make it true. In any case, he also said he was a Muslim, but in fact he had converted to Christianity. It doesn't matter what this person said; what matters is what they did, how they did it, and what the consequences of those actions are or will be in the future. We don't get inside the minds of killers and try to figure them out. We report the facts the best we can, and leave the interpretations to the experts. —Viriditas | Talk 00:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We use verifiabiliy before truth. The only verifiable motive is that. No verifiable source has questioned the mental health of the shooter. Its OR.--Cerejota 05:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and Arthur Rubin. —Viriditas | Talk 00:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Arthur, Tewfik^Talk 05:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the location of a six-victim shooting spree which was covered in major new outlets. Pretty notable to me. Ifnord 14:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.