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:Thank you. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] I was looking for Oceania and Antarctica actually, on the suggested edits thing, do you know how to get more specific suggestions of articles needing work? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 11:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
: Oceania is best understood at [[WP:WikiProject Oceania]] and similarly [[WP:WikiProject Antarctica]]. That is one way in. A significant number of Oceania items have really been more specifically Australian, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Oceania_articles - however there is inadequate distinction as to where the subsidiary projects fit, Melanesia, Micronesia, Polynesia - when the Oceania project was created there were inadequate numbers involved at any point - as a consequence it is a project and subprojects that are needing a lot of care and understanding.
Antarctica has recent rationalisation of articles, and at points the distinction between the territorial/administrative divisions are not necessarily as neat or easy to follow - but worth checking out. Very simple things like project tagging was something quite recent.
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: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oceania/Popular_pages is at times a highly mysterious point of contact.

But enough for the moment. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 12:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] those links don't seem to exist? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:The cartegory links do though. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 13:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

== Sandboxes ==

are by definition not in ''main space'' - please do not activate ''live'' categories in sandbox space. I have disabled your current items. Thank you. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Did you fix it all already or do I need to do something? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] I've been deleting all the categories off things when I copy them to there now, does that fix it? I usually edit bits there and then copy back just the bits I've worked on, so I don't really need the whole article.[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 11:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

::Please don't add <code>[[:Category: FOO]]</code> to pages that aren't articles. Please look at the edits JarrahTree and I made to figure out how to not keep repeating the same mistake. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 22:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Smasongarrison|Smasongarrison]]
:::Sorry, if I did that it wasn't intentional.
:::I often copy a whole page to my sandbox to work on, but ever since JarrahTree mentioned that I've been deleting the categories entirely. Sorry if I missed one.
:::Have you already fixed wherever I forgot to do that? Or do I need to do something further.
:::But I thought the colon in front like you did on that message also deactivated them? If I ever do need the categories it's it OK to use that in my sandbox?
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 02:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::::It does deactivate them, if you don't miss any. Removing or commenting them out is pretty easy. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 02:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Smasongarrison|Smasongarrison]] Yes, I usually do just remove them, sorry I forgot, I probably needed sleep or a coffee. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

== infobox fusion ==

{{help me-helped}}

{{Infobox officeholder
|name = Abu Mahmoud
|native_name = أبو محمود
|birth_date = {{Birth date|1960|2|14|df=y}}
|parents = His father was from Melbourne
|party = [[Sinn Fein]]
|death_date = {{Death date and age|2010|1|19|1960|2|14|df=y}}
|resting_place = [[Glasgow]]
|birth_place = [[London]]
|death_place = [[Dublin]]
|module = {{infobox military person
|embed = yes
|allegiance = [[IRA]]
|image =
|caption =
|rank = Chief Logistics Office
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How do I combine infobox thingies if none of the existing options have all the relevant fields? Like if a person had a few different careers?

[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 23:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
: Try looking at the source for the infobox on [[John Glenn]] where the <code><nowiki>| module= {{Infobox</nowiki></code> method is used to chain infoboxes. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 00:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]], Thank you for the example, that helped a bit. But I still can't get it to fit together, I keep getting a box in a box. I tried a few combinations of different infoboxes, the results were a bit different, I think for a few of them I managed to make the "child" parameter work to stop the name doubling up, but none of them fit together neatly like the example. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 06:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
::: Sometimes the child parameter works, other times you may have to use the embed parameter. Check the infobox's documentation in each case. I'm sure there is work that could be done to make the infoboxes more consistent, but they are already such a sprawling mess that you just have to adapt rather than wait for everything to be rationalized.
::: You should also be careful about how the different infoboxes handle similar data to avoid repetitions or odd-looking placements. For instance, the parameters for birthplace and burial place (resting place) from the outer infobox should be used instead of the ones from the child infobox. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 08:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. @[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]] The key details just ended up that way around because I kept swapping the nesting trying to make it work. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::::How difficult is it to add one extra parameter to a box? If I find a box that has all except one, can I just add the missing field myself somehow? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::::: I doubt it's all that difficult, technically, but it may require permissions or getting consensus. You would need to look carefully at the documentation for [[Template:Infobox]] to see how your new field could be made to fit in. And, sometimes, your need has already been anticipated, it's just in an infobox template that you haven't found yet. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 03:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]] is there anything in particular I need to watch out for with "need to look carefully to see how it would be made to fit"? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 08:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::: That's just me looking at the documentation and being impressed by how much I don't know about how the infobox module works. Without trying it, I don't know what stumbling blocks one is likely to encounter. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]], politician and officeholder seem very versatile (one is a redirect to the other), is it OK to use one with a name that doesn't match well? As in the name of the infobox is incongrous with the person? If the fields are all useful? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 17:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::: If it seems too incongruous, someone may object. But try it, if it allows you to get the fields you want. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 19:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Your edits to Jewish fascism ==

Hi, I'm noticing that you're repeatedly blanking and restoring content on [[Jewish fascism]]. Please note that unexplained blanking, even if self-reverted, is disruptive. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Neuropol|<span style="color: steelblue">'''Neuropol'''</span>]][[User talk:Neuropol|<span style="color: goldenrod"><sup>'''Talk'''</sup></span>]]</span> 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
: @[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]], I was just moving sections. Sorry I should have written edit summaries, I usly do. I was integrating some things I had been working on in my sandbox, I forgot to go back to writing edit summaries when I switched to main page. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. It comes across quite concerningly on diffs. Thank you for responding, and thank you for improving Wikipedia! Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Neuropol|<span style="color: steelblue">'''Neuropol'''</span>]][[User talk:Neuropol|<span style="color: goldenrod"><sup>'''Talk'''</sup></span>]]</span> 13:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

::: @[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]], Is there a way to add edit summaries after? Or correct typos etc.? I wrote a proper summary for the first one, I just forgot to explain myself when shuffling it around to fit into the article. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 13:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::::No retrospective edit summaries, unfortunately. However, you should be good now that I've left you a message. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Neuropol|<span style="color: steelblue">'''Neuropol'''</span>]][[User talk:Neuropol|<span style="color: goldenrod"><sup>'''Talk'''</sup></span>]]</span> 13:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]], Isn't that the wrong way around? I already know what I was doing in those edits. I put a message on the talk page incase I confused anyone else, and because my subsequent edits also buried the edit summary with an explanation of what I added and from where. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 06:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]], Have you been working on that article much? What do you think of the name? It seems to be a valid topic to have an article about, but the name is a bit provocative? Maybe "''fascist Jewish nationalism''" would be an improvement? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 06:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::I think you should use whichever name is most present or meaningful. If you choose to use "Jewish fascism", make sure it is supportable, and if you're unsure, I suggest gathering consensus. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Neuropol|<span style="color: steelblue">'''Neuropol'''</span>]][[User talk:Neuropol|<span style="color: goldenrod"><sup>'''Talk'''</sup></span>]]</span> 13:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]]
:::I didn't pick the name, I just found a page started by others.
:::Where did you see my edits if you're not working on the page?
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 17:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::::I originally saw your edits when patrolling recent changes. It showed up as "likely vandalism" or "likely has problems", but it seems it was just an error in automation. Thanks,<span style="font-family: Georgia; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Neuropol|<span style="color: steelblue">'''Neuropol'''</span>]][[User talk:Neuropol|<span style="color: goldenrod"><sup>'''Talk'''</sup></span>]]</span> 17:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Neuropol|Neuropol]], Thanks for explaining. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 16:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

== Template for "check the source actually says that"? ==

{{help me-helped}}

Is there a variation of {{tl|citation needed}} for "check the source actually says that"? If it was a source I had access to I would do it myself, but a few I've seen are books that I don't have access to.

Also, is there a template for "needs more than one source" or "needs a better source"? For where an important or controversial statement is supported by a single source or a weak source.

[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{t|disputed}} is useful if you don't think a source says what it says, {{t|failed verification}} if it's not in the source. {{t|one source}} is useful if there's only one source, {{t|refimprove}} can also be used. If you want more help, stop by the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Teahouse]], or Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer|live help channel]], or the [[WP:Help desk|help desk]] to ask someone for assistance.&nbsp;[[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 07:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)<!--Template:helpmessage-->
::@[[User:Primefac|Primefac]], Thank you. Sorry I was reading backwards from the end. Those seem to solve the issues that the other two don't yet cover.
:: I'll have a closer look. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::Should I use those other links instead of the {{tl|help me}} template? Or are they just additional suggestions? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
:::They're just other options. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 08:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Primefac|Primefac]], Thank you. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 09:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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: You can see most of the relevant templates here: [[Template:Inline cleanup tags]]
: As you can see {{tl|better source needed}} and {{tl|verify source}} already exist for two of your questions.
: I would expect "needs more than one source" to be a very rare situation; perhaps {{tl|Needs independent confirmation}} is close enough? '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 07:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

:: @[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]], Thank you, verify source and better source probably cover it well enough. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

:: What did you mean by "eddit conflict"? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

::: An edit conflict occurs when two different editors are attempting to make changes to the same page at the same time. One of them gets their changes in first and the second one is informed that there has been an edit conflict.
::: What to do? Often, the first response is good enough so I simply abandon my attempt. Other times, I feel that the response I've prepared sheds a different light on the question and is still worth posting. '''[[user:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#2eb85c">—&nbsp;jmcgnh</span>]]<sup><small>[[user talk:jmcgnh|<span style="color:#1e5213">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/jmcgnh|<span style="color:#73b516">(contribs)</span>]]</small></sup>''' 07:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Jmcgnh|Jmcgnh]], Thank you. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 09:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

== Thank you for your contributions to Far-right politics in Israel ==

I went inactive on Wikipedia for a short while due to exhaustion from creating the article and writing so much content on [[far-right politics in Israel]]. I'm surprised at how much content you added to the article. Thank you! [[User:Alon Alush|Alon Alush]] ([[User talk:Alon Alush|talk]]) 10:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Alon Alush|Alon Alush]], Thank you. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 10:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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== While I appreciate your contributions... ==

I'm not sure that sub-sub-sections on the [[LGBT rights in the State of Palestine]] page would be helpful to readers. Having one paragraph sub-sections seems a bit excessive to me, so I think just having one sub-section for "Gaza Strip police and civilians" makes more sense than the sub-section names you proposed. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 14:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] If you are worried about readers, why did you also remove the {{tl|anchor}} and not just the subheadings? '''Can you please restore the <code>{{color|#007700|<nowiki>{{anchor|Eshtewi}}</nowiki>}}</code> so that links from other pages still work.''' If you very strongly object to the headings, the anchor can go at the start of the paragraph? But please put it back somewhere near, the section about Maħmoud Eshtewi, aka Mahmoud Ishtiwi. It is quite a long page and the variable spelling (there's more than two) means <code>ctrl+F</code> wouldn't help readers find the relevant section. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 16:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

::I added back the anchor, but I don't see his name mentioned that many times on Wikipedia (I only found it mentioned [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&go=Go&search=Mahmoud+Ishtiwi&title=Special:Search&ns0=1&searchToken=e0qx3qjt7fn9fwipd1spmnt9b on three other articles]), so I'm not sure how helpful the anchor is, honestly. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 18:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Tħank you. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 04:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

:and why did you remove "militants" from the level 2 heading? if you wanted it to include the section about Eshtewi without a second sub heading? He was the commander of the Zeitoun Battalion and he was executed by Al Qassam. As with everything in Gaza, it's a bit ambiguous, but the word "militant" referred to his paragraph, civilians and police both only referred to the longer paragraphs. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 16:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

::In terms of "militants", [[mwod:militants|that term]] is pejorative (and used disparagingly from my experience) and if we are talking about ALL the people in the Gaza it would be wrong to call them militants. We should NOT be implying that in any way, shape, or form. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 18:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]], You probably are right that the headings weren't clear, it seems they didn't communicate what I intended very well at all.
:::"Militants" did '''not''' refer to all the people in the Gaza Strip. It referred to the [[Al-Qassam Brigades]] (the militant wing of the Hamas movement), the people who killed Eshtewi.
:::The level two subheading "Gaza Strip police and militants" had two separate subheadings under it, the civilians (harmed by police) and Eshtewi (tortured and killed by Al-Qassam militants).
:::Keeping the level 2 heading as just "Gaza Strip" works better. But I want to separate Eshtewi somehow.
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 04:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
::::As I said in another comment, I don't think giving Eshtewi a separate section is necessary, considering the ambiguity of the charges against him, as I stated elsewhere on this page. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 13:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

:The "queer civilians…" heading probably is a bit redundant (after I switched the order to put the typical cases first) so I'm happy to leave that but out. But the next step of my exit was going to be expanding the section on Eshtewi, it wasn't going to stay a tiny sub-section. So, do you have any objections to how I phrased that heading? '''Is there a different heading you would find more acceptable?''' If so, can you please add your preferred heading to the section about the executed Qassam Commander. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

::My issue with the queer civilians subheading is that it doesn't work because there are queer civilians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and within [[Military occupation#Examples of occupations|the occupying power]], so it seems strange to have one heading for one group of civilians and not the others. As such, it makes more sense to leave it out. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 18:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]], I meant the other heading. I was trying to separate Mahmoud Eshtewi (a horrific but highly atypical case) from the civilians.
:::Eshtewi was the (former) commander of the Zeitoun battalion, a unit of the Al-Qassam Brigades. Al-Qassam are the "Hamas terrorists" who did [[7 October attacks]], and previous attacks. Hamas are a political party and Al-Qassam are the militant wing, a bit like [[Sinn Fein]] and the IRA.
:::Eshtewi is often used to show [[Pinkwashing (LGBT)| "Gaza kills gays"]] but he had 2 wives and 3 kids, and even if he was bi or closeted, that's not why they killed him. He was originally accused of giving Israel the information that led to the death of Widad and Ali Deif ([[Mohammad Deif]]'s wife and 7-month-old son, who died in an airstrike on the family home). He was also accused of several and other things.
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 05:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Since the Gaza Strip section is so short, and we already have an anchor for his name, I'm not sure a section specifically for him is necessarily needed. I am roughly familiar with the case, while realizing there may be some issues with translation, as the U.S. newspapers translated it as related to him being gay, but the original charges were apparently vague. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''"Gaza Strip police and civilians"''' doesn't describe the content under it, can we please change that to just '''"Gaza Strip"'''? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 17:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

::Well, that name change was a compromise between what you proposed and what was there before, but I'm fine with changing it to "Gaza Strip." [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 18:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] yeah, I was probably over complicating it a bit, and Gaza Strip is more consistent. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 04:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]], I explained a lot above, but the only thing left unresolved is what would you recommend as a heading to separate the section about Eshtewi (as a subheading within Gaza Strip)? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 05:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::There is also a case from the [[West Bank]] involving the [[Lions' Den (militant group)]] and [[Shin Bet]] that I think is worth including.<ref name="toi - blackmail" /><ref name="New Arab - West Bank Spy" /><ref name="Haaretz - video from partner" /><ref name="i24 - targeted for being gay" /> We could put under heading for the region (Gaza Strip and West Bank), or make a 4th section for "militant groups"? Or a separate section for each? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 06:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
::::The thing is, I'm not sure if we need a separate section for Eshtewi. If we have the anchor and the description of the case, I think that's fine. This could go under a new section after "Gaza Strip" entitled "West Bank", within the "Civil rights and group action" section (I recently renamed). The case could be included with this description:
::::<blockquote>In April 2023 it was reported that Zuhair Relit (also known as Zoheir Khalil Ghalith), a Palestinian living in [[Nablus]], was killed by the [[Lions' Den (militant group)|Lions' Den]] militant group for collaborating with the [[IDF]]. Relit alleged he was blackmailed into becoming an informant for the Israeli military, with his confessional video on social media claiming that [[Shin Bet]] had an "illicit video" showing him having [[sexual intercourse]] with another man. He was later executed by the Lions' Den group.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-terror-group-lions-den-claims-it-executed-an-israeli-spy-in-nablus/|title=Palestinian terror group Lion’s Den claims it executed an Israeli spy in Nablus|website=[[Times of Israel]] |date=April 9, 2023|access-date=June 3, 2024|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230523001214/https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-terror-group-lions-den-claims-it-executed-an-israeli-spy-in-nablus/|archive-date=May 23, 2023|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.newarab.com/news/lions-den-execute-man-accused-informing-israel|title=Lions' Den execute man accused of informing for Israel|website=[[The New Arab]] |date=April 10, 2023|access-date=June 3, 2024|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230413101004/https://www.newarab.com/news/lions-den-execute-man-accused-informing-israel|archive-date=April 13, 2023|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Amun|first=Fadi|url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-04-09/ty-article/.premium/lions-den-announces-execution-of-palestinian-for-collaborating-with-israel/00000187-665c-dde0-afb7-7e5fd87e0000|title=Militant Group Lion's Den Announces Execution of Palestinian for Collaborating With Israel|website=[[Haaretz]] |date=April 9, 2023|access-date=June 3, 2024|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230409153722/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-04-09/ty-article/.premium/lions-den-announces-execution-of-palestinian-for-collaborating-with-israel/00000187-665c-dde0-afb7-7e5fd87e0000|archive-date=April 9, 2023|url-status=live|url-access=subscription}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1682662151-fearing-israeli-retaliation-lions-den-chief-turns-himself-in-to-pa|title=Fearing Israeli retaliation, Lions' Den chief turns himself in to PA|website=i24News|date=April 28, 2023|access-date=June 3, 2024|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230505080118/https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1682662151-fearing-israeli-retaliation-lions-den-chief-turns-himself-in-to-pa|archive-date=May 5, 2023|url-status=live}}</ref></blockquote> [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 13:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]], thank you for writing that. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 18:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::'''"Civil rights and group action"''' is a confusing title, from the context of our conversation I think you mean militant groups like Lions' Den? But without that context it looks like it means advocacy heitiki like [[Al Qaws]], which is covered in a different section. The previous title '''"Civil rights and government action"''' made more sense. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 18:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think the problem is that the murder victims don't really belong in the same section as civil rights, so we're not going to be able to find a good heading for a section with that odd combination of topics.
:::::Eshtewi was probably in '''"Civil rights and government action"''' because the story gets turned into "the Hamas government executes people for being gay" (when his murder happened in a different system to the courts that sentence civilian criminals, and he probably wasn't even gay).
:::::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 19:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::There is also another murder in the section ''"Civil rights and…"''
:::::That murder + Eshtewi + the Lions' Den execution would work as a section called '''"violent incidents"''' or '''"murders of allegedly LGBT people"''' or just '''"Violence"''' or '''"murders"'''.
:::::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 04:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


==== Lions' Den Refernces ====
{{reflist|refs=

<ref name="toi - blackmail" >{{cite news| title=Palestinian terror group Lion’s Den claims it executed an Israeli spy in Nablus |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-terror-group-lions-den-claims-it-executed-an-israeli-spy-in-nablus/ | access-date=3 June 2024 | date=9 April 2023}}</ref>

<ref name="New Arab - West Bank Spy" >{{cite news| title=Lions' Den execute man accused of informing for Israel |url=https://www.newarab.com/news/lions-den-execute-man-accused-informing-israel |access-date=3 June 2024 |work=[[The New Arab]] (London) |date=10 April 2023 |language=en}}</ref>

<ref name="Haaretz - video from partner" >{{cite news| last1=Amun |first1=Fadi |title=Militant group Lion's Den announces execution of Palestinian for collaborating with Israel |url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-04-09/ty-article/.premium/lions-den-announces-execution-of-palestinian-for-collaborating-with-israel/00000187-665c-dde0-afb7-7e5fd87e0000 |access-date=3 June 2024 |work=Haaretz |date=9 April 2023 |language=en}}</ref>

<ref name="i24 - targeted for being gay">{{cite news |title=Fearing Israeli retaliation, Lions' Den chief turns himself in to PA |url=https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1682662151-fearing-israeli-retaliation-lions-den-chief-turns-himself-in-to-pa |access-date=3 June 2024 |work=I24news |date=28 April 2023 |language=en}}</ref>

}}

== redirect category ==
{{help me-helped}}

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Faiq_al-Mabhouh&redirect=no

I'm wanting someone to check if I did this one right before I try adding the classifications to any other redirects.

I'm not sure if that is the right category? And the formatting looks a bit off?

This one is a redirect for a bio page, for a person with an Arabic name that can be romanized many different ways.

[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 14:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:You should use {{t|r from alternate capitalisation}} since that page isn't an "alternate name". I don't see any other issues. If you want more help,&nbsp;change the {{t|help me-helped}} back into a {{t|help me}}, stop by the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Teahouse]], or Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer|live help channel]], or the [[WP:Help desk|help desk]] to ask someone for assistance.&nbsp;[[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)<!--Template:helpmessage-->
::@[[User:Primefac|Primefac]]
::Most aren't capitalisation, is there another for spelling? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 17:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:::''That'' one was caps, but {{t|r from alternate spelling}} also exists. See [[Template:R template index]] for an (almost) complete list of rcat templates. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 07:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Primefac|Primefac]] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Faiq_al-Mabhouh&redirect=no this] right now? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 04:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::Sure. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 05:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::Actually I think that's capitalisation. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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:@[[User:Fram|Fram]], I don't object to that being deleted (I made a few redirects on the topic and found suitable sections or pages to redirect to, then I made Lebanon next before I realised there wasn't much on Wikipedia other than spillover from the neighbours) But for future reference, what was wrong with the page I tried to redirect to? Was it just that it didn't have much about Lebanon? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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== [[Capital punishment in the State of Palestine (disambiguation)]] ==

I'm going to delete this page, FYI. Just putting a list of related links on a page does not make it a [[WP:D|disambiguation]] page. A disambiguation page is supposed to contain a group of ''unrelated topics'' that could potentially be referred to by the same name. Your list groups ''related topics'' that are all conceptually distinct and would not likely be searched for under a common name. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 14:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]], I made it because of the instructions in the box on [[Capital punishment in the State of Palestine]], if that was wrong maybe remove or modify the {{tl|BCA}} template on that page? So others don't replicate the error. Or maybe I just misinterpreted how broadly or narrowly it meant "unrelated links"? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 14:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:Is there a right way to direct readers to content that might be what they are looking for, when a general topic doesn't have one page to direct them to but bits and pieces of the topic are covered on a few different pages? e.g. if [[:Topic-X in North America]] is referred to on a few pages but doesn't have its own page, and the [[:Topic-X]] page has no [[:Topic-X #North America]] sub-section to redirect to, but pages exist for [[:Topic-X in Canada]] and [[:Topic-X in Mexico]]. '''Is there a way to properly sort and connect that to make it easy to find?''' [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 14:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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:What triggered this? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 22:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
::It says right there {{tq|You have recently edited a page related to the Arab–Israeli conflict}} [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I was wondering which and how recently, by it doesn't really matter, I was just curious. I've seen messages like that on a few pages, but it hasn't shown up on my talk page until now. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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:@[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] I'm having trouble finding the discussion for this template? I seem to be going in circles. Can you give a direct link, please? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 09:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
::Fount it now. Spotted it as soon as I asked. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 09:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

==Copying within Wikipedia==
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:@[[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]], Thanks for letting me know. I've been doing that in a few edit summaries but a bit inconsistently because I thought it was only essential for between wiki for translation etc. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:I wish there was a way to edit the edit summaries, but there's not, is there? Ā F2 of Then Have a comment in the code at the top of the section. Is that sufficient? e.g.
:< ! - - this section is a duplicate of (page) - - >
:[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:What's the best way to catch up on stuff one copied a long time ago?
:Is it better to mention twice rather than skip?
:Should I just list on the talk page "this page contains some content from…"
:[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:Does it make any difference if its my own work? If I draft something in my userspace and then put it on a few pages, does it need to be tracked? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 03:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
::No way to change edit summaries. The [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia]] topic has lots of notes about how to properly copy in the first place, and how to annotate articles where copying has happened so they give proper attribution. You might also want to read about [[Help:Transclusion|transclusion]], which can make copying (and then maintaining those copies) unnecessary. -- [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]] ([[User talk:Mikeblas|talk]]) 06:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the links. I wasn't playing too keep them identical, I plan to modify to suit the article I added it to. I copied a few bits to build on. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I'll read the links too, but some feedback please, is this [[Talk:Mahmoud Ishtiwi]] appropriate / sufficient?
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 07:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]]
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Far-right_politics_in_Israel&oldid=prev&diff=1229033828
:::If i use {{tl|excerpt}} does that still need attribution?
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 23:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{tl|excerpt}} does not need attribution because it doesn't copy anything. -- [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]] ([[User talk:Mikeblas|talk]]) 00:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, and thanks again for rescuing those refs. I tried excerpt a couple of times, I know how to use it now, but both times I changed my mind and decided the content actually needed to be modified to fit local context. But there's another page where excerpt is definitely the right tool for the job, I'll use it there. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 00:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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== About the move of History of the Islamic State ==

Hi MWQs. The corect way to move an article if it is not wrong at all is making a proposal to move it (the case of History of the Islamic State). I'm not sure if I will talk to an administrator to undo it and then suggest the move. The main article is simply "Islamic State", each time the word "Islamic State" appears in Wikipedia, it is mentioned simply as "Islamic State", the different "provinces" or wilayah of the Islamic State is mentioned as "Islamic State of Khurasan" (for example), so it is not as easy as moving "History of the Islamic State" to "History of the so-called Islamic State". What's your opinion about it? Greetings. <span style="color:#0645AD">Tajotep</span> ([[User talk:Tajotep|talk]]) 10:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking? Are you asking my opinion or correcting an error I made, or both? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:The pages referring to specific provinces, like ISK, are less of a problem, they refer to something specific. But the "history of" was very ambiguous. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 11:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:And if you're asking an opinion, then yes I do think the [[Islamic State]] page has an inappropriate name. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 11:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tajotep|Tajotep]] if I made an error please let me know what I need to do to correct it, or what I need to do differently in future? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 12:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:: Yes, I asked for looking for a consensus and know your opinion about the move, because these things must be discussed firstly. If you see an article titled "Abaco islands", you can move it to "Abaco Islands" (capital letter) because it is wrong, but in the case of Fraser Island, for example, is not as easy, as you can see. So in this case is the same, it is better to discuss first to rename the article to "History of the so called Islamic State" for the reasons I explained you above, even though we all know that is not recognized as a state. But it is not an error or a serious error, don't worry. <span style="color:#0645AD">Tajotep</span> ([[User talk:Tajotep|talk]]) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that, even though the history is a minor page without much previews debate, I shouldn't have moved it because the name needs to match the major page? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 22:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Did you see the discussion about [[K'gari]] or is that just a coincidence? [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 22:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I knew I wasn't supposed to fix K'gari because someone had already started a discussion.
:::''' Do you mean I should start a discussion with <nowiki>{{subst:requested move}}</nowiki> on the [[Islamic State]] page? ''' I wanted to do that but I was a bit confused by the template, so it kept going on my "I'll work it out later" list. I think I understand how it works now, from looking a bit more carefully at the example on K'gari.
:::But I want to double check I have understood you first, I am nervous about getting it wrong again.
:::[[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 23:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:::: The only thing to know is that in some cases, the move of an article must be discussed, you can use [[WP:RM]] or the talk page of the article (I prefer it). Don't be nervous because, as I said, you didn't do someting wrong. I saw there was a discussion about K'gari and I used it as an example to try to explain it. I have observed an administrator has just renamed the article as it was before, with the same reason I gave you (it is more common to use the term "Islamic State", and there was no discussion about the move), so all is resolved. If you have more doubts, don't be afraid to ask. Greetings! <span style="color:#0645AD">Tajotep</span> ([[User talk:Tajotep|talk]]) 09:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:List of mass graves in the Middle East]]==
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:@[[User:Chaotic Enby|Chaotic Enby]] thanks for letting me know. Sorry, I was a bit over ambitious about how fast I could make that page, I have moved it to drafts now. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 22:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
::No worries, I probably put the tag too fast, didn't see anything being added so I thought it was abandoned. Good luck with the draft! [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 23:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

==Prior account==
Hi, do you have any relationship to {{user|Irtapil}}? Your editing style is strikingly similar with very specific querks and at times what could be described as reckless editing particularly with a fixation on tables. One telling example are the following on October 7 attacks by [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel&diff=prev&oldid=1197325498 Irtapil in January] and then by [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1230144081&oldid=1229948570&title=2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel you in June]. The other suspicious point is the fact that this account was registered quite recently on April 29. Irtapil was topic banned from Palestine/Israel conflict not too long ago and Irtapil has basically only edited their own pages since then and hasn't even edited at all since May 7. Pinging other contributors who have had extensive contact with Irtapil to see if they agree with my assessment: {{ping|ScottishFinnishRadish}} {{ping|Selfstudier}} {{ping|BilledMammal}} [[User:Iam Nexus|Iam Nexus]] ([[User talk:Iam Nexus|talk]]) 11:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

:Your first edit to WP is this edit? I'm sorry, not going to take this at all seriously, in fact since this appears to be about AI/IP, broadly construed, I think you have no standing to even raise this. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 11:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]], Thank you. Do I need to do anything about this? Or just ignore it? The person who wrote it seems to be already blocked. [[User:MWQs|MWQs]] ([[User talk:MWQs#top|talk]]) 18:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Nothing more to do. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 18:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

== Nomination for deletion of [[:Template:Elections in Mandatory Palestine]] ==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Template:Detailed MENA topic]]==
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