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Employee number vandalism

I don't know the actual number of Microsoft Mobile Oy's employees, but for some reason this article has stated the entire Human (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) species as their employees, could someone with the correct numbers please fix it, thank you in advance. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Wut?

Wait, I'm confused. Wasn't only 'post-Microsoft acquisition' information supposed to be on this page and everything in history on the Nokia page? --G&CP (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Some prior background stuff about how they moved to WP is useful.. I agree that the Online Services section shouldn't be here, especially since most of these services were actually discontinued long before the acquisition. --RaviC (talk) 07:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Nokia MixRadio is an online service that is part of Microsoft Mobile though, so that shouldn't have been removed. --87.208.17.6 (talk) 09:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I added those online services when this page was first created because someone renamed the article to Nokia Devices & Services so at the time it made sense, but then someone renamed the article back and everything was removed (at the time I didn't know how to copy the sources so I just copy-pasta'd it into the Nokia products list page with sources appearing as [53] [41]), but that still doesn't take away the fact that Microsoft bought Nokia's online services too, and most of these are still supported today, in fact the Ovi Store won't be closed until March 2015, so it's a stupid argument to remove it from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namlong618 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Value judgement of Lumia series

"The Lumia series is also the most innovative smartphone Lineup much better than Samsung Galaxy, Apple iPhone, or Sony Xperia series." ← This is an unsubstantiated value judgement, I believe this should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.11.8.245 (talk) 12:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

ONline services and other removal of content close to vandalism

Lumia Beta apps, the messaging service, the Ovi Store, and MixRadio are factually still being produced by Microsoft mobile, these services have been DEPRECIATED not discontinued, whomever keeps removing them needs to go to the talk page before doing it again, I will revert these removals and I'll add relevant sources to state that Microsoft will support some (Lumia Beta Apps), sell another (MixRadio), and has phased out others while still supporting them (Ovi Store and the Messaging service). Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 18:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Let me be clearer, it's not just the removal of online services, literally every content that's not "present" Wikipedia is not a list of presently produced products. Microsoft Mobile Oy once produced Nokia X devices, and they maintain and sell as well as support all other Nokia devices so the content should not be removed from this article on the basis of it not being produced today, that's not how Wikipedia works, if we'd follow that same logic we should remove any reference to Windows XP from the Microsoft article. Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Note: the only reason the ONline Services were in the list of Nokia products in the first place was because RaviC removed all of them and at the time I had no idea how to edit past versions of an article so just copy-pasta'd them into a later version and then copy-pasta'd ALL old ones minus the sources and references into the list of Nokia articles, and I placed all of them here because someone moved this page to "Nokia Devices & Services" so it would've made sense at the time, but that doesn't take away that the section is still relevant to this article as Microsoft Mobile Oy does have online services, and it might even need some expansion as many "Lumia" branded applications have online services, and several other online services even have gotten the Microsoft rebrand such as Microsoft Math, Spartan Nation, and Microsoft Data Gathering. Please don't remove relevant sections, I have removed the Logo part as it was clearly a duplicate of the main Microsoft article's, but all other parts have been and will always be relevant to Microsoft Mobile Oy, such as Nokia Asha, Nokia X, and S40, Microsoft Mobile Oy may no longer make new versions, but they still sell and support older versions, and all Operating Systems are still officially supported by Microsoft + Microsoft Mobile Oy. Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 14:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Faulty Nokia Asha claim.

Someone has barred any re-introduction of the Asha line for a few reasons, one of these is that they were supposedly only produced in the Chennai plant, this is not true they were also produced in China by factories now owned by Microsoft Mobile Oy, also Microsoft does still own and sell them and they own all the rights to the Asha brand (yes, Steve Ballmer bought all the rights to Nokia's phone division knowing that Microsoft won't ever sell them), as for the Nokia Asha O.S. Microsoft still owns and supports it, it won't be officially discontinued in a long time, in fact it's just under "maintenance mode" which means that it's in the process of being superseded, but is still wholly owned and operated by Microsoft Mobile Oy.

So please don't remove the Nokia Asha and S40 sections from the article without first challenging this argument in the talk section first, this article has been the subject of senseless deletion for too long and I won't just stand by and watch how relevant content is being deleted from this page for the most trivial of reasons such as the claim because Microsoft Mobile Oy no longer produces it today then it shouldn't be in the article, or how someone had to split a small section of this article into its own article because it kept being deleted, valuable information was lost from Wikipedia and I had to restore it all, products is for products that have actually been made and produced under Microsoft Mobile Oy, not just what Microsoft bought, one can make the argument that because Microsoft bought all of Nokia's rights to Symbian, MeeGo, Mæmo, and Nokia's other platforms that they should be here using my logic (WinBeta confirmed this, as did Windows Phone Central and Windows Mobile PowerUser) but that's not true as Nokia X, Nokia Asha, and S40 phones were actually produced by Microsoft Mobile Oy, S30 is factually no longer used and has been superseded by Series 30+ and of-course Microsoft Lumia is still produced, but this doesn't mean that both sections only deserve one sentence, these sections exist to be introductory, not just "hé, this exists, click on the link above", please refrain from removing content relevant to the article unless it bears no relationship with Microsoft Mobile Oy and/or Microsoft Lumia.

Note: Microsoft Mobile Oy is just a legal body, it's barely a company on its own, in fact the Microsoft Lumia division acts as much as a division within Microsoft as the Microsoft Surface division does.

Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 10:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The Logo section

The logo section does not belong in this article, as one might've noticed I've failed to mention this above as I was defending keeping relevant content in the article, but this is an irrelevant subject to the matters, in fact Microsoft Mobile Oy does not even have a logo, it's not "a real company" it's a mere legal body designed to uphold all contracts by all Nokia and Nokia-branded divisions concerning their mobile phone and digital services industry, Microsoft has absorbed this and they only use "Microsoft Mobile Oy (M.M.O.)" in terms of use, privacy statements, and contracts, the logo in the infobox does belong there as it's a division of Microsoft nonetheless, but a separate section for the Microsoft logo on a page about a legal body solely designed to handle the matters of integrating the various divisions that once belonged to Nokia should not have a section, if anyone wants to write more about Microsoft's logo please go to the Microsoft article which covers the entire history of the logo from 1975 onwards. Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 19:57, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits.

To User:49.200.95.3.I've noticed your sudden removal of various content on the page Microsoft Mobile, let me first clarify that the invisible line stating that Online Services should not be removed is there because of the constant vandalism of people removing the online services, further you claimed that the devices area had "too many images" but has not reached consensus on the talk page, I don't disagree with these edits, but if they are informative and relevant to the page your sense of aesthetics should not dictate how the article is laid out. You gave no justification on why you moved the Nokia Asha line below Nokia X (as it would be understandable if you'd give a good reason, there was none provided, thus seemed like a useless move). The Nokia Beta Labs page hasn't changed name, but remains the main article as the Lumia Beta Apps are an evolution of it, I don't get your edit of making sentences shorting such as the reference to Nokia Sync as it was mentioned in a reference, also this edit " though developers could no longer launch nor update them. Microsoft officially closed down the Nokia Store on the 31st of March 2015 and encouraged" is premature as it's March 5th 2015, prior to any change, the Nokia Messaging service like most things with "Nokia" in the name was renamed the Microsoft Mobile Messaging service, note how the Nokia Xpress browser was also renamed the Microsoft Mobile Xpress browser in Microsoft Mobile Oy's official terms of services, your next edit is good, and should not have been reverted, but seeing the scope of content removal this has to be manually redone, as for removing "Services are or were once a part of Microsoft Mobile Oy, Wikipedia is NOT a collection of present and up-to-date information, it's an encyclopedia, please DO NOT REMOVE THESE as they are relevant to the article." this is because of various vandals and some Spaniard removing the services section claiming that Microsoft "never" had these, which is untrue and explained in the article, "Companies of Finland" somehow moved to the end doesn't seem to make much sense and you have not made any clarifications of it (note that I'm neutral on it, and the reversion of this is purely "collateral damage"), the thumb of the marketshare of various mobile operating systems is placed on the right because it's more readable in that manner, anyhow please try to write justifications on your edits the next time, and try to ask for consensus when making major changes such as removing all the images of non-present device ranges (which should not be named former devices as "devices" is an ambiguous term, while "hardware lines" refers to specific types of devices, in "former devices" this would include individual devices, as well as accessories). Anyhow I hope you'll understand now why I'm reaching out to you. Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 14:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC) (alternatively Namlong618)

Concerning the template in the history section.

I understand that most of Microsoft Mobiles part is written from Nokia's P.O.V. which is understandable as it's a part of Nokia until it was sold, but most parts concerning Microsoft are mostly contained in the Windows Phone article which mostly talks about device sales in terms of the operating system's success, the Motorola Mobility page barely contains any information about Google for the same reasons, it's about Nokia's devices and services in a light to provide background to why they became a part of Microsoft, so the Nokia content is completely relevant, it should contain more Microsoft related information, but the Nokia parts give background to the entire acquisition. Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC) (Alternatively Namlong618)

Though this article is too Nokia-centric as it mentions the word Nokia 364 times, and Microsoft 264 times (08 D. 04 M. 2015 A.) despite being called Microsoft Mobile, but there is a justification for it as it's Nokia's former devices and services groups.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC) (Alternatively Namlong618)

Symbian content.

Symbian and other Nokia content is relevant on Microsoft Mobile due to the fact that it gives a background to the creation of Microsoft Mobile and why Nokia fell, this isn't explored as deeply on the Nokia page because Microsoft Mobile is specifically about the history between Nokia and Microsoft and why Nokia chose Windows Phone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.81.201.94 (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC) --86.81.201.94 (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Please stop removing the "Oy" from "Microsoft Mobile Oy"

During the past year several IP addresses whose origin seem to be from the same region in India have repeatedly removed the "Oy" from "Microsoft Mobile Oy" in the infobox, and as is typical with this user most removal of content has been based on either a false belief in irrelevancy or with no explanation at all. I have restored the "Oy" and to end this once and for all (hopefully) I will cite several Wikipedia articles where the infobox displays the judicial name of the company, YouTube (YouTube, LLC), IBM (International Business Machines Corporation), Vimeo (Vimeo, LLC), IAC (company) (IAC/InterActiveCorp), and so on. Several sources have already listed Microsoft Mobile as "Microsoft Mobile Oy" in the page, and it's also the former name of this article for when it was first created, so anyone who visits this page, please do not remove the "Oy" from "Microsoft Mobile Oy", I've checked the histories of most corporate articles and the removal of it is unique to this page which is why I have to write this. --42.113.73.160 (talk) 00:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)