Talk:Microsoft Mobile

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Please do not remove former products

Literally every Wikipedia page like this lists former products, this also includes Sony Mobile, and Motorola Mobility, Etc. so please refrain from removing discontinued products especially when they're referred to as discontinued in the text thus are both relevant in the section and not confusing to the WP:READER.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Before another editor archives this let's not forget that this happened recently, so maybe not all concerned users have read this. I can assume that 180.188.229.6, so 170.248.189.70 if you're reading this give 180.188.229.6 some time to respond, these Indian I.P. editors are notorious for removing relevant content without any reason so please be patient with these people.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 20:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

"Coloud" and "Oy"

Regarding "Coloud" Coloud is the name of a company that manufactures the earpieces for Lumia devices, the name is not a misspelling, it's deliberate. So please stop "fixing" this "typo".

Regarding "Oy" Just like on the YouTube article the infobox mentions "YouTube, LLC", "Oy" is a Finnish term that also roughly translates as "Limited Liability Company/Corporation", and since Microsoft Mobile Oy is headquartered in Finland this is the name they use formally on documents. So please stop removing this from the infobox, it's not "cleaning up", and it's not "redundant".

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 09:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Also regarding "Oy", the page was originally called "Microsoft Mobile Oy" because of this fact, and it was the only name formally announced before being abbreviated to simply/just "Microsoft Mobile", this is also true for "Nokia Corporation" application programmes becoming "Microsoft Mobile Oy" application programmes, before getting "Microsoft Mobile" as the name of their publisher.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 09:42, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, we never add the company type to the title unless for disambiguation. So, Microsoft Corp., Google Inc., Yahoo Inc., Adobe Systems Inc. are all written Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, and Adobe Systems. An example of disambiguation is Nero AG because Nero is already taken. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: as per WP:OTHERSTUFF it's still used in infoboxes where the name is not used in a disambiguation such as YouTube (where it's "YouTube, LLC"), Oculus VR (where it's "Oculus VR, LLC"), and Sony Mobile (where the lead opens with "Sony Mobile Communications Inc."), in this same context "Microsoft Mobile Oy" should be used to introduce this subdivision.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 13:32, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually, the reason is MOS:STABILITY. But if you find a manual of style or policy that says whether we should include or exclude it, that would overrule MOS:STABILITY. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: My problem is that I can't find MOS:STABILITY at all, it doesn't seem to redirect me to a section in the current page, please find the section you refer to, my time is limited and I don't really have the time to read all of WP:MOS again.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 13:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

What I found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks specifically at "Mergers, partnerships, and other combined names" and at MOS:CUE#Respect for official organization names they all specify that official names be mentioned in the article themselves but that the title of the article should be WP:COMMONNAME, "Microsoft Mobile" follows this, and I do not request this paged to be WP:MOVED to "Microsoft Mobile Oy" only that the "Oy" be added in the official infobox as in the other articles I named, and various other such as Morgan Stanley which itself is mentioned in the "Trademarks" sub-article of WP:MOS.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Official names

To claim that official names are "a taboo" at Wikipedia is almost a fallacy worst or a show of ignorance at best, plenty of pages mention official names next to the WP:COMMONNAME including the ones I've mentioned (Google, and YouTube), official names are still mentioned for recognition as per Wikipedia:Official names#Where there is an official name that is not the article title, and to claim that exclusively the WP:COMMONNAME is used I'd refer to how various nations are commonly called (E.G. the United Kingdom, the U.K.) as opposed to the official name (the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), Wikipedia doesn't ignore official names, it mentions them in the lead but then uses the common name in the rest of the article, this article is a fine example of this, it only uses "Microsoft Mobile Oy" in the lead and "Microsoft Mobile" in the rest of the body of the article.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 12:39, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

A "closer to home" example would be the Microsoft Skype Unit which uses the official Luxembourgish title in the infobox.

Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 12:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

See my reply above. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)