Talk:Sukhoi Su-37

Linked Globalsecurity article states 3-D thrust vectoring. If anyone claims Su-37 is 2-D, please provide source.--AndrewKerr 28 June 2005 05:39 (UTC)

11 SEP 2005 Cleaned up and removed speculative content. We need to treat all data from aircraft not in production to the demonstrated and documented performance. Speculating from prototypes, even from production prototypes, is very imprecise. Actual performance of a production model might differ. --Vmaxxed 28 June 2005

Rectified the NATO codename. The Su-37 is not the Super Flanker, it's the Terminator. The Su-35 is the Super Flanker. Stealth 20:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Can somebody who knows more about the -37 than me correct the weapons station bit? 12 sta doesn't =12 weaps; recall triple ejector racks (unless the Russians don't use them...) Trekphiler 00:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Crosby's handbook on fighter aircraft says the same thing about 12 weapon's hardpoints. I assume maybe 12 AAM and maybe an assortment of bombs if in F/B mode on multiple weapon racks. I also would guess that if a SU-27 family were to carry ground ordinence it would be on one of the designated ground attack models with the side-by-side seating arrangement. --themp731

NATO designation 101

After watching the movie Stealth tonight I decided to look up what the public knowledge is on the Su-37. Sure enough, some guy saw the same movie and changed this article to reflect the fictional name that he heard. "Terminator" starts with a T and is therefore not a NATO designation. All fighter aircraft start with an F in the NATO designation system. In the beginning the Soviets did not assign names to their aircraft. The NATO designations came about so that allied NATO nations could quickly identify missiles, aircraft, and subs without language barriers being a problem. So names were chosen by placing each type of vehicle/unit in a category that described it's role and each category was assigned a name with a common first letter. F=fighter, B=bomber, H=Helicopters, and C=transport (think "carry"). Some don't fit easily in any category so there is an M category for Miscellaneous. Most M aircraft are recon birds if my memory serves me right. Also reconnaissance craft are often made from bomber and transport platforms but get a new M designation anyways. Now, I'm not an OOB guru but I do know that they didn't break the mold for a Flanker variant. And that is exactly what the Su-37 is. I think there are almost a dozen variants. As for the "Super Flanker" title...not sure. I don't think that is an official NATO designation but rather a nick name that just gained momentum when they introduced one of the newer variants.

I'd add, prop F/B were 1-syllable, jets 2; so, Tu-4 Bull, Tu-95 Bear & (retrospective) Yak-11 (I think) Fang. Recce birds did fall in the "M" category; I think "C" was "cargo". I doubt Super Flanker is official, more of a military writer usage; ditto Terminator. I'm unaware of any official Sov/Rus names; if somebody is, I'd love to see them added! Trekphiler 00:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as my memory goes, the "Super Flanker" title is generally used to describe the Su-35, a modernized Su-27. Considering plane variants are commonly named the same (as in the case of the MiG-29K (carrier), OVT (2D vector-thrust demonstrator) and MiG-35 (supposed variant with under-cockpit canards), one would expect that the entire series of Su-27-spawned jets should all be called "Flanker" - or, "Crane" ("Журавлик", Zhuravlik) as it's known in Russia. However, that's not entirely correct since the Su-34 "Fullback" (again, with the more common designation "Platypus") is a Su-27 derivative, yet earned its own designation. Russian design bureaus and the VVS (airforce) do not have a unified naming system - but somehow the names proliferate, either started by pilots, air crews, or the ground troops whose lives have been saved by those same planmes. The name I submitted, "Terminator", isn't a true NATO reporting name. As a fighter, as you suggested, it would have a name starting with "F". However, the name had been there much longer than just "Stealth" the movie - I recall seeing the Su-37 listed as "Terminator" nearly four years ago on various airforce photo and data sites. If it doesn't cause a problem with the remainder of the editors of the article, it'd be a good idea for the article to retain the "Terminator" name as well, if only to prove that NATO designations aren't the only names given to an aircraft. Stealth 02:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit: The list of Sukhoi has it as Flanker-F. Updating the header paragraph for consistency. Stealth 22:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Su-47

It has been suggested that this article be merged with the Su-47 article. I personally do not agree, and think that we should make sure the correct choice of action is taken. I have given a message to the user who has suggested this action, saying that I believe he meant to suggest merging the S-37 article with the Su-47 article (which has already been done) but he has not responded yet. The name of the user is Brianski for reference. LWF 23:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. It seems the notice was removed while I was writing this comment. How's that for timing. LWF 23:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The su-37 and su-47 are entirely different planes. What must not be confused with the su-37 is the s-37, which is the prototype of the su-47. Starcraftmazter 11:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Why would the Su-37 be merged with the Su-47? Two different planes, a totally new page like Russian test fighter planes would be needed. Gecko1 7:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

In Fiction Secion?

To solve the issue of random idiots adding sentences about AceCombat 04 or Stealth, maybe we should add a section about the Su-37 in fiction. Something like this:
AceCombat 3: Playable, cockpit removed and replaced with fictional COFFIN system
AceCombat 04: Playable, operated by Erusea's elite Yellow Squadron
Ace Combat 5: Playable
Ace Combat Zero: Playable, operated by the Belkan Air Force, including Gelb Squadron
Lethal Skies 2: Playable
Stealth: Featured as hostile aircraft; fictional two-seater version

If no one comments on this for awhile, I'll just add it myself. For now, that random reference to AC04 is gone. Zaku Two 23:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

No fiction whatsoever. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/page content#Popular culture. All Ace Combat references will be removed on sight. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 01:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. There are just no notable fiction appearances for this aircraft. --Mmx1 01:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the appearance in Stealth is pretty notable. --Skyler Streng 04:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Meh, Stealth was such a bomb that I wouldn't consider it notable. Zaku Two 21:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but it was still a big budget Hollywood movie in which the Su-37 plays a fairly serious role. Modern Russian aircraft (or any military equipment for that matter) are practically never portrayed in Hollywood movies, especially to this extent. While Stealth wasn't a good movie, bombed, and very few people have seen it, I still feel the appearance of the Su-37 in the movie is notable enough to be included in this article. --Skyler Streng 23:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)