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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by MWQs (talk | contribs) at 03:42, 10 July 2024 (→‎Template:North Africa and West Asia topic: Reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Decoration disguised as template. The Banner talk 21:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decoration disguised as template. The Banner talk 21:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template The Banner talk 21:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete - I forgot I started work on this, and I don't intend to do anything further with it. MWQs (talk) 03:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template is unnecessary as we can always navigate the taxonomy via the taxonomic infoboxes. And now we have to maintain the taxonomy in 3 different places: the infoboxes, the genus articles (which list the species), and navigation templates like this. Why do we need such redundant systems that just create more work? Nosferattus (talk) 04:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. This is a standard navbox that is used in many articles. Clearly useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete is my preference, as I share concerns about keeping redundant information up-to-date across multiple pages. However, I don't understand why this template was singled out over everything else in Category:Mammal species templates and it's subcategories. Many (but not all) mammal species have navboxes. Very few other organisms have navboxes like mammals do. If I was going to single out one mammal species navbox for deletion it would be {{Murinae (Others)}}. The subfamily Murinae is split across 10 navboxes, why not just make one (massive) navbox for the subfamily? And putting two genera in the "Others" navbox is completely unintuitive for readers when the other navboxes are arranged by parts of the alphabet. Plantdrew (talk) 20:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 14:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Match result templates which were subst into the articles here and here. Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused user template. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused as Template:Warsaw central stations uses {{Railway-routemap}} for documentation. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused math table. If used should be subst directly into article. Gonnym (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A truncated version of the table is already in Exact trigonometric values#Common angles. Substing the template into that article would not provide any additional information to the reader, since all the values can be derived from the angles of the first quadrant so don't do that either. Nickps (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused string manipulation template. Probably replaced by one of the other various templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused transport link template. Gonnym (talk) 09:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging All of the above together.
These category templates basically set three parameters:

  • |Occupation=
  • |JobPortal=
  • |ParentOccupation=

Where the last two are the same value between the templates.

|Occupation= can be easily retrieved by using {{last word|{{PAGENAME}}}}, thus eliminating the need for endlessly creating these template for every single item, and using code to handle things more efficiently. Gonnym (talk) 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lean oppose for now. Hey there (as the template creators); I don't think that "|Occupation= can be easily retrieved by using {{last word|{{PAGENAME<nowiki>}}}" this actually applies. There are several nationalities that follow the structure of FOOians from COUNTRY, such as the Russian Empire and Georgia, and Northern Ireland. So it would not always grab the template. I do think that this could be generalized to a broader range of musical instruments, but not how you have described it. Part of the advantage of making the template specific to a given occupation is to keep flexibility if the parents change or another parent category is added. Each of the nominated templates have different parent categories.

At the present, I have not coded those in because those categories aren't sliced up by century at the moment. But merging them, as you have suggested, would eliminate that possibility down the line. I could see creating another layer on top that called a specific subtemplate based on the presence of a specific occupation, similar ot how Template:Diffusing occupation by nationality and century category header current works using |"{{#if:{{in string|source={{PAGENAME}}|target=FOO INSTRUMENT|plain=true|nomatch=}}". But I really would be reluctant to overgeneralize it. Mason (talk) 23:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]