Talk:Endomembrane system

Endomembrane system is currently a Biology and medicine good article nominee. Nominated by an unspecified nominator at 04:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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I am an AP Biology student who is currently taking this article under my wing in the hopes that it will eventually reach Featured Article status. GA status would be acceptable but I'm setting my sights on FA. I welcome and encourage all who visit to contribute/criticize, albeit constructively, as they see fit. If you see anything that you think should be changed than by all means let me know. I am currently working on this article in my sandbox, I invite you to join me. I am completely open to suggestions and thankful for any help that might come from the Wikipedia community.

My end goal, as noted earlier, is to nominate and pass this article to Featured Article standing in the coming months. While it will be a difficult road ahead, I hope those of you who took the time to read this will understand my undertaking and seek to help me expand and improve this article. Also, check out my user page to learn more about me or Wikipedia:WikiProject AP Biology 2008 for my AP Biology Class Goals/Project information. Cheers! --VivaLaLacy (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Potenetial Resources

History

Nuclear Envelope

Endoplasmic Reticulum

Endoplamic Retiuculum
Cell Anatomy: Endoplasmic Reticulum
ER Cells Alive
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Endoplasmic Reticulum About.com
Endoplasmic Reticulum - Need Password
Endoplasmic reticulum stress and the development of diabetes - Need Password
Abstract: Endoplasmic reticulum stress and the development of diabetes - Free Access
How do proteins translocate into the lumen of the rough endoplasmic reticulum?
Endoplamic Reticulum UTMB
The Endoplasmic Reticulum
The Endoplasmic Reticulum
Ribosomes - Need Password

Golgi Apparatus

Vacuoles

Vesicles

Lysosomes

Cell Membrane

Campbell, Neil, and Jane Reece. Biology. 6th ed.
"Cell" The World Book Encyclopdiea 2003 edition
Endomembrane System Bio-Medicine
Eukaryotic Cell
Organelles of the Eukaryotic Cell
The biology of the cell
Organelles
Eukaryotic Cells - Need Password
Cytoplasm - Need Password
Protein transport in the plant secretory pathway
The endomembrane system and the problem of protein sorting. - free access
The role of mRNA and protein sorting in seed storage protein synthesis, transport, and deposition1 - Need Password
Abstract:The role of mRNA and protein sorting in seed storage protein synthesis, transport, and deposition1 - Free Access
Protein transport in the plant secretory pathway1 - Need Password
Membrane Dynamics in the Early Secretory Pathway - Need Password
Abstract: Membrane Dynamics in the Early Secretory Pathway - Free Access
Protein Transport in Plant Cells
Center for Plant Cell Biology at UC Riverside
Organelles

--VivaLaLacy (talk) 23:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Graded --JimmyButler (talk) 21:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Looks like it's time to start this discussion. You're making some good progress. That's evident. Some advice - add your citations in properly formatted as soon as you can. Otherwise, it's a total pain in the rear to go back days or weeks later to find the right passage and hook up the appropriate citation.

It doesn't really matter what kind of citation style you use, but it has to be consistent. Citation templates are good for beginners - you can just plug in the right information. The templates aren't necessary, just helpful. At GA, you'll be expected to have properly formatted citations: authors, dates, publishers, etc.

Another thing I've learned by experience: start keeping tabs on where you found stuff. You'll be asked in peer reviews, GA reviews, and at FAC to clarify something. I can't count the number of times I read something and put it aside in my mind for later, then went back to the 10 sources or so I had and was completely unable to find it again. That drives me nuts. I've even started to keep files of the articles I've written. If you stick with the article after your class and it makes it to FA, and it appears on the main page, you'll get asked about sources again.

Let me know if you have questions. --Moni3 (talk) 02:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I was actually about to ask you about this. The list above is just an ongoing list of possible references, I'll probably try to organize it so I can determine what is what.--VivaLaLacy (talk) 03:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One question, do you know why my access dates appear red under the reference list on the article? --VivaLaLacy (talk) 03:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The dates appear to like zeros. I changed the first ref to fix it.

What do you prefer? Commentary on the reliability of the sources now? Or when you have it all written? About.com = :( -- Textbooks = :D It might be simpler to use simple sources to start with, then once you have a better handle on the content, you can go back and switch the frownie face sources with the zOMG!!1! sources. --Moni3 (talk) 20:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to the about.com link on the potential reference list? I think most of the links provided in the list above are reliable with the exception of a few, such as the about.com and answers.com ones. In writing the article I've found the textbook links to be the best. Except for maybe the first and fifth reference, the sources I've used in the article so far are credible, right? --VivaLaLacy (talk) 20:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With the ever-important disclaimer that biology references aren't my area, if you ever have a question about if a source is reliable, click that link to see. It should have an author and a publisher. Like a textbook, journal article, or newspaper source, it should be fact-checked by 3rd parties. It can't be another wiki, or a website where any old someone (like us) can include information. Looking at what you have now, #4 makes me ask who John Kyrk is. Is he notable in the field of cell biology? Is Cellupedia a wiki (I can't tell)?

You're doing basic stuff, which is ok. When I start off working on an article I have little knowledge about, I work from Google, then start to compile a list of references. I think your sources so far are good for a GA, but they would not pass an FA. Although what you're citing seems to be basic enough that a textbook would cover it nicely. You let me know what you would rather do: understand the overall concepts before worrying much about citations and sources, or get more authoritative and advanced sources first? It's your choice and really no preferred way to do it. --Moni3 (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Kyrk's background info can be found here by clicking "from the author" in the middle of the page. After reading it I'm not really sure if he's notable in that field but I did notice he got his information from the same place I already used, Molecular Biology of The Cell. Looking at cellupedia, I found out it's actually a student created website by reading this, so it's not very reliable.

I think I have a basic understanding of my topic, aquired from looking over the links from google. I'd prefer to go ahead and get the more authoritative and advanced sources now since that will help me achieve FA later on. --VivaLaLacy (talk) 01:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Yea... a reputable reference in an acceptable format... I wish you were at the beginning of the alphabet!--JimmyButler (talk) 19:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Help

Does anyone know the correct way to refernce an online book? As you can see from my reference list on the article, the same books are appearing for the different parts of the endomembrane system. I don't think it would be suffice to just reference the book once, because then you would lose all of the url's associated with the different sections of the book. I'd like to keep the links to the different sections, because as an article on an online encylcopedia connectivity is crucial. --VivaLaLacy (talk) 22:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This can be done by separating (foot)notes from references. I've indicated the idea with a couple of examples. Geometry guy 23:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've now done the rest. Geometry guy 15:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, In all of my upcoming sources I'll be sure to follow your format. --VivaLaLacy (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. You may want to check that the weblinks all go where you want: with this format you can have a specific weblink for the cite, and a separate weblink for the general reference. Geometry guy 23:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spell Check

I strongly recommend running your additions to this article through Microsoft Word and do a spell check. Nothing discredits an article like having your teacher correct spelling errors involving "standard" English words. If you activate the supplemental programs as suggested in class; the typo's will appear underlined in red. Remember you are writing a formal document with a world-wide audience; there is no tolerance for spelling errors. --JimmyButler (talk) 21:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To Do

Create membrane section and explain overall structure and function - debatable
~~Explain captions thoroughly~~
~~Set images the thumb width~~
~~Justify more places with references~~
Expand the lead paragraph
Copyedit

A major leap forward in content. If you do not wait to the last minute to address your peer review concerns; there is hope for GA before the grading period is over. Best of Luck!!!--JimmyButler (talk) 18:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Help

For some reason reference 21 is not repeated in the paragraph that follows it. Instead there is a separate reference number (22) for a reference that is the exact same. Please help if you have the knowledge to do so. --VivaLaLacy (talk) 03:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This has been fixed --VivaLaLacy (talk) 02:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit anyone?

A thorough copyedit by a keen eye would be nice to have before the GA review. --VivaLaLacy (talk) 04:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]