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Please self revert and start a discussion, or I will take this to the edit war notice board. Thank you. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 21:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Please self revert and start a discussion, or I will take this to the edit war notice board. Thank you. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 21:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
:By my count, HappyWaldo, you achieved a rather sensational 6 reverts in 24 hours. What's the deal? [[Special:Contributions/PeterTheFourth|PeterTheFourth]] ([[User Talk:PeterTheFourth|talk]]) 11:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
:By my count, HappyWaldo, you achieved a rather sensational 6 reverts in 24 hours. What's the deal? [[Special:Contributions/PeterTheFourth|PeterTheFourth]] ([[User Talk:PeterTheFourth|talk]]) 11:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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' == Welcome == '''Welcome!''' Hello, HappyWaldo, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/HappyWaldo|your contributions]]. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: *[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]] *[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]] *[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] and [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to develop articles]] *[[Wikipedia:Your first article|How to create your first article]] (using the [[Wikipedia:Article wizard|Article Wizard]] if you wish) *[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign]] your messages on [[Help:Using talk pages|discussion page]]s using four [[tilde]]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on [[user talk:SatuSuro|my talk page]], or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 13:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC) ==Gary Ablett Sr== Hi HappyWaldo, I'm writing to you because I accidently press Enter when explaining to you, in the Edit summary, why I replaced the line "in only his 2nd year", with the previous one, in the State of Origin section. If people go straight to the State of Origin section they won't see that he previously played for Hawthorn, they also may not read it, or glance over it. If so they won't see the significance of him being selected in just his 2nd year. I think this a better option.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC) With respect, I think is better option. In the source it mentions he also played at Hawthorn, if we write that in the section it won't be concise enough. We're saying the same thing, just Paraphrasing it. The purpose of an Ecyclopedia is to be as informative as possible.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Ok, we'll leave it as it is.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC) ==Billy Brownless and Victoria Australian rules football team== Hi how are you going, I worked with you recently on Gary Ablett's page, in the State of Origin section. I'm wonding if you could give me a hand. I've recently rewrote on the Victorian Australian rules football team page, and the Billy Brownless page creating a State of Origin section. I'm having trouble with another Editor, who I believe is Vandalising. The Editor keeps removing a line, which has been sourced, which states interstate football is the highest level in the game. I have explained to him by definition because only the best players were selected in the teams for the concept, it is by definition the highest level in the game. I have provided two references, one in an AFL Record, which states it is the highest level in the game, and he keeps removing the line. The other article the Victorian Australian rules football team, there is a section called "Notable State of Origin games". Which describes some of the most notable State of Origin games in history. He's rewritten on the section and keeps Re-Adding a spelling mistake, which I've pointed out to him. And other parts he's rewritten includes changing a word throughout the section called "kicks". I've used it to describe how many goals players kick in the games. It's proper terminology, which he claims it isn't, and it's proper terminology in the sport. When people are usually talking about Football games, they'll say X kicks X amount of goals in the game. And if you read the sentences describing the games, which he's changed, they don't sound right, they're poorly written. These articles really need attention. I'm not going to revert these changes, I want to resolve it the proper way through discussion first, which I've already engaged in, but doesn't seem to be making any progress. The Editor in question is called Afterwriting, there is a disscussion on his talk page. So if you would like to help it would be much appreciated. Sincerely [[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 09:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC) ==L Scott Pendlebury== I've just edited [[Andrew Pendlebury]], an Australian musician, and notice there is an article on his actress sister, [[Anne Scott-Pendlebury]], but nothing on their visual artist parents. His father, L Scott Pendlebury, seems to deserve an article but I'm very weak on Australian artist's biographies. He appears to have been an entrant for national art prizes including finalist for the [[ Archibald Prize]], winning the [[Wynne Prize]] (four times?) and the Dunlop Art Contest. Would you be willing to collaborate on such an article? If so, I'm about to incubate it at one of my sandboxes: [[User:Shaidar cuebiyar/Sandbox4|here]]. If tempted, jump in whenever you like.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 04:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for the heads up. I've started with some basic info. See how I go.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 05:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :L. Scott Pendlebury now ready and moved to mainspace.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 06:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC) == A barnstar... == {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:alt|alt|[[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[File:Original Barnstar.png|100px]]}} |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your work at [[Tasmanian Gothic]] has been excellent. Great work! [[User: Stalwart111|'''Stalwart''']][[User talk:Stalwart111|'''<font color="green">111</font>''']] 22:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC) |} == Shrine of Remembrance == Hi, I understand we also have an image of it in the infobox, but we also have two images of the skyline in the article as well as the infobox. Plus, one is at night, the other is day, and it's not such a drastic change either and it highlights an important part of Melbourne's culture. [[User:Bibzy|Bibzy]] ([[User talk:Bibzy|talk]]) 09:24, 9 January 2013 (UTC) :The skylines show different buildings, and some sections demand an image of the skyline. Different stuff can go in the culture section. If a building needs to be shown at day and night, it's in the building's article. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 11:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|MikeLynch|ts=16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:MikeLynch|MikeLynch]] ([[User talk:MikeLynch|talk]]) 16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC) == Popular sports in Australia == <nowiki>*</nowiki>babbles* If some one wants to nominate it for deletion under whatever criteria, that's fine with me on some level. The problem is the content organization is fundamentally non-neutral and an RfC on the article said the organization for [[Sport in Australia]] as it stands without those sections was acceptable. The sections for [[Popular sports in Australia]] tend to end up with lots of fanboyism promoting particular sports. (The historical version of Sport in Australia had the AFL section and the NRL section both saying there were the most popular code in the country. The current version forces a more fact based approach so this popularity argument could not be used.) As it kept getting put back in despite all these issues, I just content forked as the easiest solution to this problem. The information should not be Sport in Australia. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 08:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC) : I'm not sure what to do with that problem. Popular sports is so completely subjective. I would have a hard time rating any sport other than swimming as a popular individual sport. But golf, tennis and motor racing are some of the big individual "money" sports despite low participation rates. Walking and yoga are listed as some of the top sporting activities in the country, but they almost certainly wouldn't go in the article despite that measure of popularity. The original article before the reformat had a section on I believe Underwater hockey. No way should underwater hockey be given equal weight to Australian rule football. Just annoying problematic, and most "Sport in COUNTRY" type articles should be rewritten to not include specific sections on sport. Beyond the NPOV weighting issues, they pretend that sports exist in complete isolation from each other when they do not. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 10:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC) ::Um! HappyWaldo, this is bemused Amanda. ::Your last edit comment on Culture of Australia is just a little odd. State funerals for Sportsman are just a wee bit uncommon; who but Bradman has received a State Funeral, in Australia? ::And you are correct, the use of the term "Sir" ''does'' imply that he was knighted. He '''was''' knighted. Another honour rather rare among Australian sportsmen. ::[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 08:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC) :::I wasn't suggesting that the info was put back. I agree that such details are not essential in article. I was simply registering my surprise at your comment. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 09:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC) == A beer for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Export hell seidel steiner.png|70px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Here's cheers! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 11:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC) |} == Edit summaries == Please provide a [[Wikipedia:EDITSUMMARY|summary]] for your edits. It is not too much to ask. That is what is expected from all editors. - [[User:Shiftchange|Shiftchange]] ([[User talk:Shiftchange|talk]]) 09:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:GA|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 05:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for February 12== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[List of Australian rules footballers and cricketers]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[South Melbourne Football Club]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC) == Block == My block had little to do with edit warring, it was to do with copyright images and sock puppetry. The edit warring may have been a contributing factor, but it wasn't the original reason. You are the one edit warring by clicking undo constantly, why are you so rigid with edits, particularly when they are constructive? [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 06:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== The article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Tom Wills]] for comments about the article. Well done! <!-- Template:GANotice result=pass --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 03:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC) == Re: DYK QPQ == Hi HappyWaldo, you only have to review someone else's DYK after you've submitted 5 of them. See the [[Wikipedia:DYK#Eligibility_criteria|eligibility criteria]] #5 :) [[User:Samwalton9|'''S'''am '''W'''alton]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9|talk]]) 08:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC) ==DYK for Tom Wills== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#30 March 2014|30 March 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that [[cricket]]er and [[Australian rules football]] pioneer '''[[Tom Wills]]''' stabbed himself to death with a pair of [[scissors]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills&datefrom=2014-03-01&dateto=2014-03-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201403/Tom_Wills daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]]. }}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom --> &nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC) ==Montage== What on earth do you have against change? Is there an image so particularly unappealing that you cannot fathom seeing it used in the montage I replaced? I don't understand the rigidity. A lot of the images I chose were superior to the ones in the current one. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 09:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC) ::Interesting to see you ignored me here about the exact same problem. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC) == Thanks! == Whoops! Hadn't noticed the shenanigans going on. Just dropped in to fix a few links. Cheers! --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 17:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC) == Have YOU learned anything? == Wikipedia is a collaborative website and there is always room for change. Whether the current montage "looks better" is subjective... if you think that cloudy, dull and low resolution images look better then fine. But your rigidity - this constant opposing of any type of change regarding images, is beyond frustrating. You ruin the editing experience for those who have innovative ideas and so on. As for notable buildings, what isn't notable about St Peters Anglican Church (one of the oldest churches in the town), or the Bridge Hotel (an iconic red brick structure)...or how about Craig's Hotel, perhaps one of the most distinctive Grand Hotel buildings in the Victoria... they aren't notable? Your definition of 'notable' must be quite skewed, then. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 10:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC) :"Iconic" and "notable" buildings have Wikipedia articles. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 04:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC) ::Well no, not always. I still disagree. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 04:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for June 17== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Yarra Park]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[The Argus]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Yarra_Park|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Yarra_Park|fix with Dab solver]]). 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Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow [[User:BracketBot#Opting out|these opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, <!-- (0, 2, 0, 0) --><!-- User:BracketBot/inform -->[[User:BracketBot|BracketBot]] ([[User talk:BracketBot|talk]]) 03:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC) == Thank you for your vigilance and diligence on the Melbourne page == Will move the update from Conde Nast to the [[Tourism in Australia]] page. Keep up the [[Melbourne]]-page monitoring :-) Regards,--[[User:Soulparadox|Soulparadox]] ([[User talk:Soulparadox|talk]]) 13:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC) == No == I'm not going to reopen a discussion on the talk page because its generally just you and your Wikipedia friends chiming in on a fruitless debate about irrelevant 'problems' that leads to nowhere constructive. The purpose of Wikipedia, or the illustration side of it, is not to remain in stasis but to evolve. That montage is boring, it's been there for more than two years. What about the remodelled montage doesn't contain significant buildings? Everyone of the photos contains a significant structure and that's why I carefully selected them. I said to myself, "right, I'm going to select ''only'' images of buildings that are significant to Melbourne and its history and if HappyWaldo rejects the edits, then he's looking for reasons beyond what he says to dislike it." So your objection really clarifies that you have personal problems with any type of change relating to that info box montage and I do not understand why. I've never had problems doing the [[Brisbane]] montage, people there have accepted my changes but your odd and seemingly relentless rigidity makes Wikipedia an uncomfortable place. This is not an attack nor is it an insult, but I really do dislike the fact that you oppose everything I do. It's quite unfair. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for November 8== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Nick Cave]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Live at the Royal Albert Hall]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 16:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC) ==Nick Cave== 1) [[WP:NEUTRALITY]] is one of the rules of wikipedia. "Gothic" is one of the adjectives that critics have always used to describe Cave's music. There are [[WP:RELIABLE SOURCE]]s that support this information. If this information was edited out once again, an administrator would be contacted. 2) All the gothic artists dislike this label and it is not relevant to mention this in the body of an article. Had a style section existed in the bottom of the article, this might be added. You can use [[The Cure]]'s article as a model. 2) [[WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH]] is also a rule to follow. Nick Cave has never stated thaat he "detested" or hated or resented the gothic genre. He stated in 1982 that he "rejected the honory title of forefathers" to the goth scene. That what Smin magazine related in 1989. However, Cave helped spawn the goth scene as it was related many times. Wikipedia has to reflect all opinions from critics, however an article is a [[Hagiography]]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 17:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC) ==Sidney Nolan== Although you claim "clear copyright violation" you are 100% incorrect.... and it is unclear HOW you reach this strangely blunt conclusion. The picture is in the Tate Gallery in London, and (as in most UK galleries) public photography is permitted subject to using no flash... What world do you live in ??--[[User:Stephencdickson|Stephencdickson]] ([[User talk:Stephencdickson|talk]]) 23:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC) :[http://www.tate.org.uk/about/who-we-are/policies-and-procedures/website-terms-use/copyright-and-permissions "Photography in the main galleries is allowed for personal, non-commercial purposes only. It is the visitor’s responsibility to ensure no copyright is infringed."] - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for December 15== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ned Kelly]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Peter Carey]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC) == Changes to Ned Kelly Page == I notice that you have reverted the addition of photo's to the Ned Kelly page. Most of the photo's have been there for some time but in you latest slew of edits you have decidied to arbitrarily remove them with no justification. I also see that you have a history of this type of behaviour. I have simply put them back, and put them in a spot more relatable. For instance, the photos of amour, in the armour section. It's good for readers to be able to see actual photos of the armour, as no amount of text will ever be able to properly describe them. Also, relating to the photo of the person in armour, this was added some time ago for a reason. The reason being is that photo has been used by the popular media in the past, but they would say that it was Ned Kelly himself. This is obviously incorrect, and so it's good for Wikipedia to give the real situation. You are unaware of the history, and delete the images with no justification. I have also added photos of historical areas of interest as they appear today so that others who are interested in Kelly may seek to find them for themselves. Now I know that you are not a fan of Trove, with your edit comment 'why is the ''Burra Record'', an SA newspaper, singled out as a publisher of excerpts of Kelly's letter when numerous VIC and NSW papers got there first? this is the problem with using Trove', but I did not single out the Burra Record, someone else added the 'according to the 'Burra Record'' comment. (But I respected the changes) You then replaced that with just 'press', but did not provide any other citations. There was no reason to remove that section of test, and was in place because another editor found the original text confusing. By just deleting text with no justification, you are ruining the history. Just show some respect, and leave the images in place. I may not agree with the images that you have added, especially since you have not provided any in text attribution, but I respect the changes you have made and would not engage in an edit war with you just because of my own subjective opinion. Unless the images breach copyright, you have no real justification other than 'your subjective opinion' to remove them. I think the more images that can be added to enhance the article the better. ==DYK for Tom Wills portrait== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#12 January 2015|12 January 2015]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills portrait]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Tom Wills portrait|a portrait]]''' ''(pictured)'' of cricketer and Australian rules football pioneer [[Tom Wills]] shows him with flushed cheeks, a sign of his [[alcoholism]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills_portrait&datefrom=2015-01-01&dateto=2015-01-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201501/Tom_Wills_portrait daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. 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[[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 02:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC) ::The section is about dwellings of Melbourne residents as a whole, so it makes sense to show the typical terrace. There are far grander and more "unorthodox" heritage-listed terrace houses in Melbourne than the one you're proposing, but those would also be a poor representation. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 02:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC) == University Match == I don't know, and I don't know how one could find out. I must admit that I thought that "never matriculating" just meant that he never completed his course, but checking in my dictionary I see that I was totally wrong about the meaning of "matriculate". That obviously makes it much more notable than I had thought, and if you want to restore it I won't object. JH ([[User talk:Jhall1|talk page]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for March 10== Hi. 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Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 10:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC) == Didn't realize that there was such a thing as reference overkill == Sorry, when I placed the citations in the statement in the garage rock section of the [[Punk rock]] article, I didn't realize that there could be such a thing as overkill of sources--I am not an expert on Wiki policy--I am mainly a writer and who is interested in music history (and I have done my homework--gathering those sources was a lot of work). I did so because I thought that some people would find the statement hard to believe, though it is factual. I felt that having as many references a possible would be best in that situation, but you are right that there were definitely too many--in retrospect I can see that you have a good point. However, there is now only one reference left, and that may not be enough: it may leave the statement vulnerable to those who are doubtful of its accuracy--sometimes it is necessary to show corroborating references to back up a true statement that people may have trouble with. Just because we cite one single writer who said a certain thing, doesn't necessarily make his/her statement true--it can be seen by some as merely an opinion. So, to establish factuality, other references sometimes need to be invoked. As you are aware, the topic of punk rock tends to be contentious (look at all of the edit wars at that site). So, this is the kind of statement needs corroboration in order to be accepted by readers as factual. I should, therefore, be able to reinstate, maybe, ''two'' or ''three'' of the other references that had been there, without going into overkill. That would be a fair request. I have often seen three or four references used in other articles, that were approved by master editors. Three or four would not be overkill, but necessary corroboration (and fair). I would be sure to avoid using references that appear later in the etymology section, to avoid redundancy. [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ::Thank you or your message on my talk page. I was wondering if could I reinstate a reference from one of Lester Bang's books, because he is one of the most famous rock critics and is widely read. His books are published by a major company, Anchor Books (a division of Random House). [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ==Edit warring== [[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. 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So you've contradicted yourself by originally saying the club purported to be the oldest football club, then go onto saying that they are in fact the oldest football club. * The wording of 'The club's origins can be traced to an 1858 letter in which [[Tom Wills]], captain of the [[Victoria cricket team]], calls for the formation of a "foot-ball club" with a "code of laws"' and 'An informal Melbourne team played that winter and was officially established in May 1859 when Wills and three other members codified [[Laws of Australian rules football#Melbourne Rules of 1859|"The Rules of the Melbourne Football Club"]]' suggests the codes were created twice and is worded as a reiteration, it's just been reworded to provide clarification. * The club was not established in 1859, it was established in 1858 (see the MFC talk page), so by saying the team was established after the informal team played gives the impression that was when the club was established, so formed is better wording. * Competition is spelt incorrectly. So rather than edit warring (which you have received warnings for in the past) and deleting whole constructive edits, make small tweaks which are constructive (I accept what you say about the dash). [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) :Furthermore, [[Sheffield F.C.]] is in fact the oldest professional football club in the world, therefore, "oldest Australian rules football club" is necessary. A very small amount of people in the world are aware of Aussie Rules, so by saying it is the oldest professional football club in the world, means people who are unaware of the Sheffield fact and Aussie Rules and stumble across the page, would assume it is the oldest club across all codes which are known as football. So the clarification is needed. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) == Nick Cave == Both NME and Simon Reynolds are excellent sources, recognized as such by everyone. They are perfectly valid for an encyclopedia. Cave was a singer of Birthday Party, a band that music historian [[Simon Reynolds]] has qualified as "goth". Cave as the lead singer of the Bad Seeds has also been dubbed as gothic many times, by the ''[[NME]]'' and many others. Wikipedia is not a fansite when fans can reject things that they don't like. If perfectly valid points are reverted once again from this article, an administrator will be contacted right after. These 2 things have been reverted by an user who has clearly an issue with certain adjectives: an encyclopedia like wikipedia has to be [[wp:neutral]] and reproduces all the opinions from famous critics, regarding a subject. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 14:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC) : I propose this version: :*{{ex|Prior to this, he fronted the proto gothic band Birthday Party, which achieved renown as one of the most extreme and violent post punk groups of the early 80s}}. :That is a suggestion. In his book, Reynolds has opposed them to the ''Cure's mild version of Gothic gloom'', saying that a song like "Zoo-music Girl" ''oscillates violently between devotion and devouring, sacred and profane.'' It is still better than [https://books.google.fr/books?id=AQ8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=Nick+cave++Birthday+party+billboard+2003&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=w5yWVfrMOoWqUYfCgegF&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nick%20cave%20%20Birthday%20party%20billboard%202003&f=false Billboard's description in 2003]. :The NME's quote is apt as it uses the gothic adjective positively, like Rolling Stone did it in their [https://books.google.fr/books?id=t9eocwUfoSoC&pg=PA151&dq=Rolling+stone+album+guide+nick+cave&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=16SWVdjIIsjxUIi-vZgN&ved=0CC0QuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=Rolling%20stone%20album%20guide%20nick%20cave&f=false album guide]. This nme's quote is good compared to [http://www.mojo4music.com/10682/nick-cave-top-10-albums/ Mojo's here for instance]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 15:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :: Bauhaus, The Banshees, Killing Joke and TBP are all proto-goth according to Reynolds. :: Historically, they are all only post-punk and they should only be referred under this genre. However, their music has got gothic overtones. Gothic is an excellent adjective and it has nothing to do with the goth genre that came a few years after. So for all these acts, one has to mention it in the lead as this is what is supported by many reliable sources. :: So, concerning the sentence about TBP, the gothic adjective has to appear somewhere next to the post punk genre because they were also inspirational in the creation of the gothic rock genre that came a few years after their beginning. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 21:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :Back to basics and [[wp: STICKTOSOURCE]]. Simon Reynolds qualified them as proto-goth which means that their music had sometimes gothic aspects months/years before the emergence of that scene. No matter that they retrospectively despised that genre. You have to include the gothic adjective in the description of TBP while insisting they have to be considered as post-punk. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 16:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC) ::I agree to compromise and I'm fine with what you said but let's go back to the initial version for TBP with the words "one of the most extreme and violent post punk bands of the early 1980s": it is more neutral [all these post-punk bands have inspired plenty of musicians from different genres]. I let you make the changes as you accept to put the NME quote. 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[[Special:Contributions/101.103.158.115|101.103.158.115]] ([[User talk:101.103.158.115|talk]]) 09:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC) == ATTEMPT AT CONSENSUS on SYDNEY>ENTERTAINMENT == Dear HappyWaldo, considering that the lockout laws ARE now a major feature of the night-time ENTERTAINMENT situation in Sydney, since they entirely GOVERN *ALL* situations in which locals and internationals engage in entertainment in the traditional entertainment districts of Sydney, what is your proposal for at least MENTIONING the basics of it? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Accurate Nuanced Clear|Accurate Nuanced Clear]] ([[User talk:Accurate Nuanced Clear|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Accurate Nuanced Clear|contribs]]) 14:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :If you bother reading the discussion at [[Talk:Sydney]] you'll see that there are already proposals for handling the content. You just haven't bothered reading them and instead have concentrated on edit-warring. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 14:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC) == Tom Wills == Do we really need to do this again? We have both previously agreed that Melb FC was established in 1858, and there is a court case ruling in favour of the club being established in 1858, not 1859, and the way that the Tom Wills page is written is that the club was established in 1859. I left it open to you to reword about the establishment of MFC because for whatever reason, it is near impossible to edit anything you've written without you reverting. There are references about the club being established in 1858 on their page. Remember in the past I recommended you make small tweaks rather than reverting, because the way I did the edit was left open to you re-writing it however you liked, but saying "The Melbourne Football Club officially came into being on 14 May 1859", suggests that was the day of their establishment. I don't care how you re-write it, but as it currently stands, it's incorrect. Like I said on the MFC talk page, the 1859 proceedings is up to interpretation, but people saying that's when the club was established is opinion, and I'll always refer back to that court case over the established year, it's a third party intervention without bias making a ruling that the club was established in 1858, therefore, all information on wikipedia must reflect that, and Tom Wills' page doesn't reflect that. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC) :Hey, just letting you know that I will come back to this, I'm just dealing with something outside of Wikipedia at the moment, and I just need a break from any disputes. I didn't want to appear rude by not replying for a while, so I'll come back to this soon. Thanks, [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 14:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC) == Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. == [[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]] This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. 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For example information like : On how Cricket is an important part of the Australian culture. : On how people think that playing England in Cricket is way of avenging past a perceived wrongs from the former imperial force. : On how Cricket is that important in Australian culture that it has been described in jest that the captain of the Australian Cricket team is the most important job in Australia after the Prime Minister. : A reflection of these Cricket community perceptions I just mentioned, three Australian cricket captains have been named as [[Australian of the Year]]; Allan Border in 1989, Mark Taylor in 1999 and Steve Waugh in 2004. : On how unlike other sports international Cricket is played all year round, not just a few yearly one off games. : On how the State of Origin series is even more popular, and is regarded with more importance than International Rugby league. : The Grade structure in sports in Australia. : On how to get drafted to the major sport leagues in the country. : On how the popularity for Basketball was very high in the 1990s, but in the last decade popularity for the national league has waned. And in recent years the league has come close to folding. : On how the NBL used to be played in the Australian Winter, but switched to be being played in the Summer so it didn't have to compete with the countries big Winter sports. : That Australia has been very successful in the Swimming at the Olympics, having won the second most amount of Gold medals and medals. : On how Australia have been very successful in Tennis sport, having the second most amount of [[Davis Cup]] wins, and being ranked second in coming Runner Up. : On how the Australian national Cricket team is the most popular national team. : On how the Heartland of Australian rules football is the State of Victoria. : On the biggest rivalries in the major sports. : On how Australian rules football is so popular in Victoria that the game has been described in Victoria as a Religion. : On how many players in the AFL have been drafted the unconventionally route through the Rookie Draft, and by playing in secondary level State leagues. : Naming the most notable and famous athletes in history in the major Australian sports. : On how at the start of every season the two Premiers of the National Rugby League & the Super League from the previous year play off in the [[World Club Challenge]], to determine the World Champions. : On how the AFL Grand Final is arguably Australia's biggest sporting event. : On when the seasons are in which sports are played. : On what days of the week the major sports are played, and what days the biggest games are played. : And more. These types of information don't belong in a History section, or any other of the sections on the page. Also just having the information that's in the history section now on the sports you have to read through the whole article to find all the information on one sport. This way all the information on every sport is in one place, it's more practicable. I think this is a better option.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 03:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC) ==August 2015== [[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add or change content without citing a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable source]]. Please review the guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-unsourced2 --> [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 01:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for September 1== Hi. 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[[User:Caballero1967|<span style="color:#44018F;font-family:georgia">'''Caballero<font color= "#003878">/<font color= "#145073">/</font><font color= "#006E0D">Historiador</font></font>'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Caballero1967|☊]]</sup> 04:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC) :* Hang on, there seems to be some confusion, which I believe may be solved through discussion, other than talk page, here is another discussion: [[User:Titodutta/CVU/Students/Dennishidalgo#Help_in_thinking_of_the_best_route]] --[[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|talk]]) 18:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC) ::*I have reverted the changes, but you are welcome to stay focus on the discussion. Do, please, follow the link above for a follow up. [[User:Caballero1967|<span style="color:#44018F;font-family:georgia">'''Caballero<font color= "#003878">/<font color= "#145073">/</font><font color= "#006E0D">Historiador</font></font>'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Caballero1967|☊]]</sup> 23:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC) == Rasputin == Mr. Waldo, you don´t have a profile, which is suspicious. If you have special knowledge or capabilities you are welcome, but I am not impressed with what you did. Any kid can delete. Besides you seem to get involved in edit-wars regularly. The lay-out of Wikipedia is bad, pictures differ in size and the sentences are too long for easy reading. All the rules that existed in printing for ages are gone, since internet came up. Please mind your own business, Australian sportsman/criminals/rock stars. I would not dare to change something on a subject I have no knowledge of. One of the reasons Wikipedia will not survive, looses confidence. Regards,[[User:Taksen|Taksen]] ([[User talk:Taksen|talk]]) 04:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne hatnote == Since you reverted the addition previously,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne&type=revision&diff=699628930&oldid=699627728] Could you please comment at [[Talk:Melbourne#Intro line]]? --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 17:51, 20 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne governance... == The Parliament House is the only building mentioned but the section does make note of Melbourne's 26 cities, of which the City of Port Phillip is included, thus the South Melb Town Hall is pretty relevant as far as illustration goes. Architecturally and aesthetically, it's a great representation, and I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes. Just a suggestion... [[Special:Contributions/58.166.244.49|58.166.244.49]] ([[User talk:58.166.244.49|talk]]) 06:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC) :"I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes" irrelevant. Parliament House is a better known landmark regardless and is Melbourne's most important government building. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 06:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC) == Glenrowan - why police were in mufti== "Not significant" - I would had thought this brief explanation of an otherwise puzzling photograph was worth making in a long and detailed article - the Deputy Superintendent quoted (who had been present as a constable at the Kelly's last stand) stressed this point in an interview since, even a few years later, the police were being represented as having been in uniform. Modern film/tv recreations almost always make the same mistake.([[User:Buistr|Buistr]] ([[User talk:Buistr|talk]]) 00:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)) == Cricket == Mind telling me who the hell you think you are? If you object to some obviously genuine work that someone is doing, you go to them and discuss it with them. You do not behave like an arrogant knowall who summarily deletes work. Restore that edit now or this goes to ANI as a serious complaint about your attitude. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) If you wish to start an ANI about the behavior and attitude of the above poster, I think the majority of the cricket portal would support you. Good luck in your future edits [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 21:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) Ha! After repeatedly flaming you, the poster in question has attempted to "warn" me for my polite comment above. Its about time someone took him to ANI, his constant aggression and antagonism on this portal, along with several WP:competent issues is becoming more and more of a burden on regular editors. [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 3== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ivan Durrant]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Blairgowrie]] ([http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Ivan_Durrant check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Ivan_Durrant fix with Dab solver]). 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It is not necessary to use citations in the lead, per MOS, unless the information is not being repeated (for whatever reason) in the main narrative. I would assume something will be said in the main about ICC membership but, even so, a much better source than CricketArchive should be found because it is not always accurate. Try the ICC's own site, for preference. MOS policy on the lead is that it summarises the whole article. I presume we are going to say something about women's cricket so why do you keep removing all mention of it from the lead? It needs to be mentioned, especially as it is administered independently of men's cricket. Cricket's rules are the Laws of cricket and "Laws" is always written with a capital "L", just as "Test" always begins with a capital "T". Links to major countries like England are unnecessary per MOS. I hope all of that is useful learning for you and I will make the necessary corrections and amendments to the lead. Thank you. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC) :Points taken on "national sport" and MOS (citations, links). We're not referring to the MCC's official "Laws of Cricket". Also see the [[laws of rugby union]], [[laws of rugby league]], [[laws of Australian rules football]] etc. Some things simply go without saying in the lead. Of course women play cricket, so do children, the elderly, people with disabilities. We need to cut it down to the absolute bare essentials. [[Baseball]] (featured article) has managed to summarise its history in fewer words. Impressive, feels like a challenge. [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ::Okay, point taken on the laws but women's cricket is a noted international sport in its own right and must be mentioned. One short sentence will suffice. Yes, [[Baseball]] is a first-class article so maybe we should use its structure as our template. Thanks. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 07:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==DYK for George O'Mullane== {{ivmbox |image = Updated DYK query.svg |imagesize=40px |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#26 May 2016|26 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[George O'Mullane]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that during the early years of [[Australian rules football]], only [[Tom Wills]] was said to be able to match the "pluck and skill" of '''[[George O'Mullane]]''' ''(pictured)'' as a player?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/George O'Mullane]]. 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Soccer is however the term more often associated with the game in Australia, so in an Australian article it is expected to see the term Soccer used even if it is not chronologically accurate. Football was played in Australia before 1863. Association football was the first football. Football played prior to 1863 is obviously connected. Instead of splitting hairs over dates of terminology out of a sense of pedentry, why not re-write the text instead of just deleting it? --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 04:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC) == Edit warring on Milo Yiannopoulos == Please self revert and start a discussion, or I will take this to the edit war notice board. Thank you. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 21:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC) :By my count, HappyWaldo, you achieved a rather sensational 6 reverts in 24 hours. What's the deal? 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In the source it mentions he also played at Hawthorn, if we write that in the section it won't be concise enough. We're saying the same thing, just Paraphrasing it. The purpose of an Ecyclopedia is to be as informative as possible.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Ok, we'll leave it as it is.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC) ==Billy Brownless and Victoria Australian rules football team== Hi how are you going, I worked with you recently on Gary Ablett's page, in the State of Origin section. I'm wonding if you could give me a hand. I've recently rewrote on the Victorian Australian rules football team page, and the Billy Brownless page creating a State of Origin section. I'm having trouble with another Editor, who I believe is Vandalising. The Editor keeps removing a line, which has been sourced, which states interstate football is the highest level in the game. I have explained to him by definition because only the best players were selected in the teams for the concept, it is by definition the highest level in the game. I have provided two references, one in an AFL Record, which states it is the highest level in the game, and he keeps removing the line. The other article the Victorian Australian rules football team, there is a section called "Notable State of Origin games". Which describes some of the most notable State of Origin games in history. He's rewritten on the section and keeps Re-Adding a spelling mistake, which I've pointed out to him. And other parts he's rewritten includes changing a word throughout the section called "kicks". I've used it to describe how many goals players kick in the games. It's proper terminology, which he claims it isn't, and it's proper terminology in the sport. When people are usually talking about Football games, they'll say X kicks X amount of goals in the game. And if you read the sentences describing the games, which he's changed, they don't sound right, they're poorly written. These articles really need attention. I'm not going to revert these changes, I want to resolve it the proper way through discussion first, which I've already engaged in, but doesn't seem to be making any progress. The Editor in question is called Afterwriting, there is a disscussion on his talk page. So if you would like to help it would be much appreciated. Sincerely [[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 09:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC) ==L Scott Pendlebury== I've just edited [[Andrew Pendlebury]], an Australian musician, and notice there is an article on his actress sister, [[Anne Scott-Pendlebury]], but nothing on their visual artist parents. His father, L Scott Pendlebury, seems to deserve an article but I'm very weak on Australian artist's biographies. He appears to have been an entrant for national art prizes including finalist for the [[ Archibald Prize]], winning the [[Wynne Prize]] (four times?) and the Dunlop Art Contest. Would you be willing to collaborate on such an article? If so, I'm about to incubate it at one of my sandboxes: [[User:Shaidar cuebiyar/Sandbox4|here]]. If tempted, jump in whenever you like.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 04:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for the heads up. I've started with some basic info. See how I go.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 05:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :L. Scott Pendlebury now ready and moved to mainspace.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 06:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC) == A barnstar... == {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:alt|alt|[[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[File:Original Barnstar.png|100px]]}} |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your work at [[Tasmanian Gothic]] has been excellent. Great work! [[User: Stalwart111|'''Stalwart''']][[User talk:Stalwart111|'''<font color="green">111</font>''']] 22:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC) |} == Shrine of Remembrance == Hi, I understand we also have an image of it in the infobox, but we also have two images of the skyline in the article as well as the infobox. Plus, one is at night, the other is day, and it's not such a drastic change either and it highlights an important part of Melbourne's culture. [[User:Bibzy|Bibzy]] ([[User talk:Bibzy|talk]]) 09:24, 9 January 2013 (UTC) :The skylines show different buildings, and some sections demand an image of the skyline. Different stuff can go in the culture section. If a building needs to be shown at day and night, it's in the building's article. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 11:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|MikeLynch|ts=16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:MikeLynch|MikeLynch]] ([[User talk:MikeLynch|talk]]) 16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC) == Popular sports in Australia == <nowiki>*</nowiki>babbles* If some one wants to nominate it for deletion under whatever criteria, that's fine with me on some level. The problem is the content organization is fundamentally non-neutral and an RfC on the article said the organization for [[Sport in Australia]] as it stands without those sections was acceptable. The sections for [[Popular sports in Australia]] tend to end up with lots of fanboyism promoting particular sports. (The historical version of Sport in Australia had the AFL section and the NRL section both saying there were the most popular code in the country. The current version forces a more fact based approach so this popularity argument could not be used.) As it kept getting put back in despite all these issues, I just content forked as the easiest solution to this problem. The information should not be Sport in Australia. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 08:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC) : I'm not sure what to do with that problem. Popular sports is so completely subjective. I would have a hard time rating any sport other than swimming as a popular individual sport. But golf, tennis and motor racing are some of the big individual "money" sports despite low participation rates. Walking and yoga are listed as some of the top sporting activities in the country, but they almost certainly wouldn't go in the article despite that measure of popularity. The original article before the reformat had a section on I believe Underwater hockey. No way should underwater hockey be given equal weight to Australian rule football. Just annoying problematic, and most "Sport in COUNTRY" type articles should be rewritten to not include specific sections on sport. Beyond the NPOV weighting issues, they pretend that sports exist in complete isolation from each other when they do not. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 10:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC) ::Um! HappyWaldo, this is bemused Amanda. ::Your last edit comment on Culture of Australia is just a little odd. State funerals for Sportsman are just a wee bit uncommon; who but Bradman has received a State Funeral, in Australia? ::And you are correct, the use of the term "Sir" ''does'' imply that he was knighted. He '''was''' knighted. Another honour rather rare among Australian sportsmen. ::[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 08:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC) :::I wasn't suggesting that the info was put back. I agree that such details are not essential in article. I was simply registering my surprise at your comment. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 09:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC) == A beer for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Export hell seidel steiner.png|70px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Here's cheers! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 11:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC) |} == Edit summaries == Please provide a [[Wikipedia:EDITSUMMARY|summary]] for your edits. It is not too much to ask. That is what is expected from all editors. - [[User:Shiftchange|Shiftchange]] ([[User talk:Shiftchange|talk]]) 09:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:GA|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 05:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for February 12== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[List of Australian rules footballers and cricketers]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[South Melbourne Football Club]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC) == Block == My block had little to do with edit warring, it was to do with copyright images and sock puppetry. The edit warring may have been a contributing factor, but it wasn't the original reason. You are the one edit warring by clicking undo constantly, why are you so rigid with edits, particularly when they are constructive? [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 06:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== The article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Tom Wills]] for comments about the article. Well done! <!-- Template:GANotice result=pass --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 03:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC) == Re: DYK QPQ == Hi HappyWaldo, you only have to review someone else's DYK after you've submitted 5 of them. See the [[Wikipedia:DYK#Eligibility_criteria|eligibility criteria]] #5 :) [[User:Samwalton9|'''S'''am '''W'''alton]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9|talk]]) 08:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC) ==DYK for Tom Wills== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#30 March 2014|30 March 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that [[cricket]]er and [[Australian rules football]] pioneer '''[[Tom Wills]]''' stabbed himself to death with a pair of [[scissors]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills&datefrom=2014-03-01&dateto=2014-03-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201403/Tom_Wills daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]]. }}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom --> &nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC) ==Montage== What on earth do you have against change? Is there an image so particularly unappealing that you cannot fathom seeing it used in the montage I replaced? I don't understand the rigidity. A lot of the images I chose were superior to the ones in the current one. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 09:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC) ::Interesting to see you ignored me here about the exact same problem. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC) == Thanks! == Whoops! Hadn't noticed the shenanigans going on. Just dropped in to fix a few links. Cheers! --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 17:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC) == Have YOU learned anything? == Wikipedia is a collaborative website and there is always room for change. Whether the current montage "looks better" is subjective... if you think that cloudy, dull and low resolution images look better then fine. But your rigidity - this constant opposing of any type of change regarding images, is beyond frustrating. You ruin the editing experience for those who have innovative ideas and so on. As for notable buildings, what isn't notable about St Peters Anglican Church (one of the oldest churches in the town), or the Bridge Hotel (an iconic red brick structure)...or how about Craig's Hotel, perhaps one of the most distinctive Grand Hotel buildings in the Victoria... they aren't notable? Your definition of 'notable' must be quite skewed, then. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 10:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC) :"Iconic" and "notable" buildings have Wikipedia articles. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 04:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC) ::Well no, not always. I still disagree. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 04:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for June 17== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Yarra Park]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[The Argus]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Yarra_Park|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Yarra_Park|fix with Dab solver]]). 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Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow [[User:BracketBot#Opting out|these opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, <!-- (0, 2, 0, 0) --><!-- User:BracketBot/inform -->[[User:BracketBot|BracketBot]] ([[User talk:BracketBot|talk]]) 03:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC) == Thank you for your vigilance and diligence on the Melbourne page == Will move the update from Conde Nast to the [[Tourism in Australia]] page. Keep up the [[Melbourne]]-page monitoring :-) Regards,--[[User:Soulparadox|Soulparadox]] ([[User talk:Soulparadox|talk]]) 13:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC) == No == I'm not going to reopen a discussion on the talk page because its generally just you and your Wikipedia friends chiming in on a fruitless debate about irrelevant 'problems' that leads to nowhere constructive. The purpose of Wikipedia, or the illustration side of it, is not to remain in stasis but to evolve. That montage is boring, it's been there for more than two years. What about the remodelled montage doesn't contain significant buildings? Everyone of the photos contains a significant structure and that's why I carefully selected them. I said to myself, "right, I'm going to select ''only'' images of buildings that are significant to Melbourne and its history and if HappyWaldo rejects the edits, then he's looking for reasons beyond what he says to dislike it." So your objection really clarifies that you have personal problems with any type of change relating to that info box montage and I do not understand why. I've never had problems doing the [[Brisbane]] montage, people there have accepted my changes but your odd and seemingly relentless rigidity makes Wikipedia an uncomfortable place. This is not an attack nor is it an insult, but I really do dislike the fact that you oppose everything I do. It's quite unfair. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for November 8== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Nick Cave]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Live at the Royal Albert Hall]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 16:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC) ==Nick Cave== 1) [[WP:NEUTRALITY]] is one of the rules of wikipedia. "Gothic" is one of the adjectives that critics have always used to describe Cave's music. There are [[WP:RELIABLE SOURCE]]s that support this information. If this information was edited out once again, an administrator would be contacted. 2) All the gothic artists dislike this label and it is not relevant to mention this in the body of an article. Had a style section existed in the bottom of the article, this might be added. You can use [[The Cure]]'s article as a model. 2) [[WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH]] is also a rule to follow. Nick Cave has never stated thaat he "detested" or hated or resented the gothic genre. He stated in 1982 that he "rejected the honory title of forefathers" to the goth scene. That what Smin magazine related in 1989. However, Cave helped spawn the goth scene as it was related many times. Wikipedia has to reflect all opinions from critics, however an article is a [[Hagiography]]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 17:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC) ==Sidney Nolan== Although you claim "clear copyright violation" you are 100% incorrect.... and it is unclear HOW you reach this strangely blunt conclusion. The picture is in the Tate Gallery in London, and (as in most UK galleries) public photography is permitted subject to using no flash... What world do you live in ??--[[User:Stephencdickson|Stephencdickson]] ([[User talk:Stephencdickson|talk]]) 23:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC) :[http://www.tate.org.uk/about/who-we-are/policies-and-procedures/website-terms-use/copyright-and-permissions "Photography in the main galleries is allowed for personal, non-commercial purposes only. It is the visitor’s responsibility to ensure no copyright is infringed."] - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for December 15== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ned Kelly]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Peter Carey]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC) == Changes to Ned Kelly Page == I notice that you have reverted the addition of photo's to the Ned Kelly page. Most of the photo's have been there for some time but in you latest slew of edits you have decidied to arbitrarily remove them with no justification. I also see that you have a history of this type of behaviour. I have simply put them back, and put them in a spot more relatable. For instance, the photos of amour, in the armour section. It's good for readers to be able to see actual photos of the armour, as no amount of text will ever be able to properly describe them. Also, relating to the photo of the person in armour, this was added some time ago for a reason. The reason being is that photo has been used by the popular media in the past, but they would say that it was Ned Kelly himself. This is obviously incorrect, and so it's good for Wikipedia to give the real situation. You are unaware of the history, and delete the images with no justification. I have also added photos of historical areas of interest as they appear today so that others who are interested in Kelly may seek to find them for themselves. Now I know that you are not a fan of Trove, with your edit comment 'why is the ''Burra Record'', an SA newspaper, singled out as a publisher of excerpts of Kelly's letter when numerous VIC and NSW papers got there first? this is the problem with using Trove', but I did not single out the Burra Record, someone else added the 'according to the 'Burra Record'' comment. (But I respected the changes) You then replaced that with just 'press', but did not provide any other citations. There was no reason to remove that section of test, and was in place because another editor found the original text confusing. By just deleting text with no justification, you are ruining the history. Just show some respect, and leave the images in place. I may not agree with the images that you have added, especially since you have not provided any in text attribution, but I respect the changes you have made and would not engage in an edit war with you just because of my own subjective opinion. Unless the images breach copyright, you have no real justification other than 'your subjective opinion' to remove them. I think the more images that can be added to enhance the article the better. ==DYK for Tom Wills portrait== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#12 January 2015|12 January 2015]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills portrait]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Tom Wills portrait|a portrait]]''' ''(pictured)'' of cricketer and Australian rules football pioneer [[Tom Wills]] shows him with flushed cheeks, a sign of his [[alcoholism]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills_portrait&datefrom=2015-01-01&dateto=2015-01-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201501/Tom_Wills_portrait daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. 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[[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 02:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC) ::The section is about dwellings of Melbourne residents as a whole, so it makes sense to show the typical terrace. There are far grander and more "unorthodox" heritage-listed terrace houses in Melbourne than the one you're proposing, but those would also be a poor representation. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 02:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC) == University Match == I don't know, and I don't know how one could find out. I must admit that I thought that "never matriculating" just meant that he never completed his course, but checking in my dictionary I see that I was totally wrong about the meaning of "matriculate". That obviously makes it much more notable than I had thought, and if you want to restore it I won't object. JH ([[User talk:Jhall1|talk page]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for March 10== Hi. 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Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 10:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC) == Didn't realize that there was such a thing as reference overkill == Sorry, when I placed the citations in the statement in the garage rock section of the [[Punk rock]] article, I didn't realize that there could be such a thing as overkill of sources--I am not an expert on Wiki policy--I am mainly a writer and who is interested in music history (and I have done my homework--gathering those sources was a lot of work). I did so because I thought that some people would find the statement hard to believe, though it is factual. I felt that having as many references a possible would be best in that situation, but you are right that there were definitely too many--in retrospect I can see that you have a good point. However, there is now only one reference left, and that may not be enough: it may leave the statement vulnerable to those who are doubtful of its accuracy--sometimes it is necessary to show corroborating references to back up a true statement that people may have trouble with. Just because we cite one single writer who said a certain thing, doesn't necessarily make his/her statement true--it can be seen by some as merely an opinion. So, to establish factuality, other references sometimes need to be invoked. As you are aware, the topic of punk rock tends to be contentious (look at all of the edit wars at that site). So, this is the kind of statement needs corroboration in order to be accepted by readers as factual. I should, therefore, be able to reinstate, maybe, ''two'' or ''three'' of the other references that had been there, without going into overkill. That would be a fair request. I have often seen three or four references used in other articles, that were approved by master editors. Three or four would not be overkill, but necessary corroboration (and fair). I would be sure to avoid using references that appear later in the etymology section, to avoid redundancy. [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ::Thank you or your message on my talk page. I was wondering if could I reinstate a reference from one of Lester Bang's books, because he is one of the most famous rock critics and is widely read. His books are published by a major company, Anchor Books (a division of Random House). [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ==Edit warring== [[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. 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So you've contradicted yourself by originally saying the club purported to be the oldest football club, then go onto saying that they are in fact the oldest football club. * The wording of 'The club's origins can be traced to an 1858 letter in which [[Tom Wills]], captain of the [[Victoria cricket team]], calls for the formation of a "foot-ball club" with a "code of laws"' and 'An informal Melbourne team played that winter and was officially established in May 1859 when Wills and three other members codified [[Laws of Australian rules football#Melbourne Rules of 1859|"The Rules of the Melbourne Football Club"]]' suggests the codes were created twice and is worded as a reiteration, it's just been reworded to provide clarification. * The club was not established in 1859, it was established in 1858 (see the MFC talk page), so by saying the team was established after the informal team played gives the impression that was when the club was established, so formed is better wording. * Competition is spelt incorrectly. So rather than edit warring (which you have received warnings for in the past) and deleting whole constructive edits, make small tweaks which are constructive (I accept what you say about the dash). [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) :Furthermore, [[Sheffield F.C.]] is in fact the oldest professional football club in the world, therefore, "oldest Australian rules football club" is necessary. A very small amount of people in the world are aware of Aussie Rules, so by saying it is the oldest professional football club in the world, means people who are unaware of the Sheffield fact and Aussie Rules and stumble across the page, would assume it is the oldest club across all codes which are known as football. So the clarification is needed. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) == Nick Cave == Both NME and Simon Reynolds are excellent sources, recognized as such by everyone. They are perfectly valid for an encyclopedia. Cave was a singer of Birthday Party, a band that music historian [[Simon Reynolds]] has qualified as "goth". Cave as the lead singer of the Bad Seeds has also been dubbed as gothic many times, by the ''[[NME]]'' and many others. Wikipedia is not a fansite when fans can reject things that they don't like. If perfectly valid points are reverted once again from this article, an administrator will be contacted right after. These 2 things have been reverted by an user who has clearly an issue with certain adjectives: an encyclopedia like wikipedia has to be [[wp:neutral]] and reproduces all the opinions from famous critics, regarding a subject. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 14:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC) : I propose this version: :*{{ex|Prior to this, he fronted the proto gothic band Birthday Party, which achieved renown as one of the most extreme and violent post punk groups of the early 80s}}. :That is a suggestion. In his book, Reynolds has opposed them to the ''Cure's mild version of Gothic gloom'', saying that a song like "Zoo-music Girl" ''oscillates violently between devotion and devouring, sacred and profane.'' It is still better than [https://books.google.fr/books?id=AQ8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=Nick+cave++Birthday+party+billboard+2003&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=w5yWVfrMOoWqUYfCgegF&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nick%20cave%20%20Birthday%20party%20billboard%202003&f=false Billboard's description in 2003]. :The NME's quote is apt as it uses the gothic adjective positively, like Rolling Stone did it in their [https://books.google.fr/books?id=t9eocwUfoSoC&pg=PA151&dq=Rolling+stone+album+guide+nick+cave&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=16SWVdjIIsjxUIi-vZgN&ved=0CC0QuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=Rolling%20stone%20album%20guide%20nick%20cave&f=false album guide]. This nme's quote is good compared to [http://www.mojo4music.com/10682/nick-cave-top-10-albums/ Mojo's here for instance]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 15:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :: Bauhaus, The Banshees, Killing Joke and TBP are all proto-goth according to Reynolds. :: Historically, they are all only post-punk and they should only be referred under this genre. However, their music has got gothic overtones. Gothic is an excellent adjective and it has nothing to do with the goth genre that came a few years after. So for all these acts, one has to mention it in the lead as this is what is supported by many reliable sources. :: So, concerning the sentence about TBP, the gothic adjective has to appear somewhere next to the post punk genre because they were also inspirational in the creation of the gothic rock genre that came a few years after their beginning. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 21:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :Back to basics and [[wp: STICKTOSOURCE]]. Simon Reynolds qualified them as proto-goth which means that their music had sometimes gothic aspects months/years before the emergence of that scene. No matter that they retrospectively despised that genre. You have to include the gothic adjective in the description of TBP while insisting they have to be considered as post-punk. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 16:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC) ::I agree to compromise and I'm fine with what you said but let's go back to the initial version for TBP with the words "one of the most extreme and violent post punk bands of the early 1980s": it is more neutral [all these post-punk bands have inspired plenty of musicians from different genres]. I let you make the changes as you accept to put the NME quote. 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[[Special:Contributions/101.103.158.115|101.103.158.115]] ([[User talk:101.103.158.115|talk]]) 09:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC) == ATTEMPT AT CONSENSUS on SYDNEY>ENTERTAINMENT == Dear HappyWaldo, considering that the lockout laws ARE now a major feature of the night-time ENTERTAINMENT situation in Sydney, since they entirely GOVERN *ALL* situations in which locals and internationals engage in entertainment in the traditional entertainment districts of Sydney, what is your proposal for at least MENTIONING the basics of it? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Accurate Nuanced Clear|Accurate Nuanced Clear]] ([[User talk:Accurate Nuanced Clear|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Accurate Nuanced Clear|contribs]]) 14:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :If you bother reading the discussion at [[Talk:Sydney]] you'll see that there are already proposals for handling the content. You just haven't bothered reading them and instead have concentrated on edit-warring. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 14:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC) == Tom Wills == Do we really need to do this again? We have both previously agreed that Melb FC was established in 1858, and there is a court case ruling in favour of the club being established in 1858, not 1859, and the way that the Tom Wills page is written is that the club was established in 1859. I left it open to you to reword about the establishment of MFC because for whatever reason, it is near impossible to edit anything you've written without you reverting. There are references about the club being established in 1858 on their page. Remember in the past I recommended you make small tweaks rather than reverting, because the way I did the edit was left open to you re-writing it however you liked, but saying "The Melbourne Football Club officially came into being on 14 May 1859", suggests that was the day of their establishment. I don't care how you re-write it, but as it currently stands, it's incorrect. Like I said on the MFC talk page, the 1859 proceedings is up to interpretation, but people saying that's when the club was established is opinion, and I'll always refer back to that court case over the established year, it's a third party intervention without bias making a ruling that the club was established in 1858, therefore, all information on wikipedia must reflect that, and Tom Wills' page doesn't reflect that. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC) :Hey, just letting you know that I will come back to this, I'm just dealing with something outside of Wikipedia at the moment, and I just need a break from any disputes. I didn't want to appear rude by not replying for a while, so I'll come back to this soon. Thanks, [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 14:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC) == Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. == [[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]] This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. 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For example information like : On how Cricket is an important part of the Australian culture. : On how people think that playing England in Cricket is way of avenging past a perceived wrongs from the former imperial force. : On how Cricket is that important in Australian culture that it has been described in jest that the captain of the Australian Cricket team is the most important job in Australia after the Prime Minister. : A reflection of these Cricket community perceptions I just mentioned, three Australian cricket captains have been named as [[Australian of the Year]]; Allan Border in 1989, Mark Taylor in 1999 and Steve Waugh in 2004. : On how unlike other sports international Cricket is played all year round, not just a few yearly one off games. : On how the State of Origin series is even more popular, and is regarded with more importance than International Rugby league. : The Grade structure in sports in Australia. : On how to get drafted to the major sport leagues in the country. : On how the popularity for Basketball was very high in the 1990s, but in the last decade popularity for the national league has waned. And in recent years the league has come close to folding. : On how the NBL used to be played in the Australian Winter, but switched to be being played in the Summer so it didn't have to compete with the countries big Winter sports. : That Australia has been very successful in the Swimming at the Olympics, having won the second most amount of Gold medals and medals. : On how Australia have been very successful in Tennis sport, having the second most amount of [[Davis Cup]] wins, and being ranked second in coming Runner Up. : On how the Australian national Cricket team is the most popular national team. : On how the Heartland of Australian rules football is the State of Victoria. : On the biggest rivalries in the major sports. : On how Australian rules football is so popular in Victoria that the game has been described in Victoria as a Religion. : On how many players in the AFL have been drafted the unconventionally route through the Rookie Draft, and by playing in secondary level State leagues. : Naming the most notable and famous athletes in history in the major Australian sports. : On how at the start of every season the two Premiers of the National Rugby League & the Super League from the previous year play off in the [[World Club Challenge]], to determine the World Champions. : On how the AFL Grand Final is arguably Australia's biggest sporting event. : On when the seasons are in which sports are played. : On what days of the week the major sports are played, and what days the biggest games are played. : And more. These types of information don't belong in a History section, or any other of the sections on the page. Also just having the information that's in the history section now on the sports you have to read through the whole article to find all the information on one sport. This way all the information on every sport is in one place, it's more practicable. I think this is a better option.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 03:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC) ==August 2015== [[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add or change content without citing a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable source]]. Please review the guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-unsourced2 --> [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 01:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for September 1== Hi. 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[[User:Caballero1967|<span style="color:#44018F;font-family:georgia">'''Caballero<font color= "#003878">/<font color= "#145073">/</font><font color= "#006E0D">Historiador</font></font>'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Caballero1967|☊]]</sup> 23:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC) == Rasputin == Mr. Waldo, you don´t have a profile, which is suspicious. If you have special knowledge or capabilities you are welcome, but I am not impressed with what you did. Any kid can delete. Besides you seem to get involved in edit-wars regularly. The lay-out of Wikipedia is bad, pictures differ in size and the sentences are too long for easy reading. All the rules that existed in printing for ages are gone, since internet came up. Please mind your own business, Australian sportsman/criminals/rock stars. I would not dare to change something on a subject I have no knowledge of. One of the reasons Wikipedia will not survive, looses confidence. Regards,[[User:Taksen|Taksen]] ([[User talk:Taksen|talk]]) 04:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne hatnote == Since you reverted the addition previously,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne&type=revision&diff=699628930&oldid=699627728] Could you please comment at [[Talk:Melbourne#Intro line]]? --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 17:51, 20 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne governance... == The Parliament House is the only building mentioned but the section does make note of Melbourne's 26 cities, of which the City of Port Phillip is included, thus the South Melb Town Hall is pretty relevant as far as illustration goes. Architecturally and aesthetically, it's a great representation, and I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes. Just a suggestion... [[Special:Contributions/58.166.244.49|58.166.244.49]] ([[User talk:58.166.244.49|talk]]) 06:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC) :"I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes" irrelevant. Parliament House is a better known landmark regardless and is Melbourne's most important government building. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 06:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC) == Glenrowan - why police were in mufti== "Not significant" - I would had thought this brief explanation of an otherwise puzzling photograph was worth making in a long and detailed article - the Deputy Superintendent quoted (who had been present as a constable at the Kelly's last stand) stressed this point in an interview since, even a few years later, the police were being represented as having been in uniform. Modern film/tv recreations almost always make the same mistake.([[User:Buistr|Buistr]] ([[User talk:Buistr|talk]]) 00:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)) == Cricket == Mind telling me who the hell you think you are? If you object to some obviously genuine work that someone is doing, you go to them and discuss it with them. You do not behave like an arrogant knowall who summarily deletes work. Restore that edit now or this goes to ANI as a serious complaint about your attitude. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) If you wish to start an ANI about the behavior and attitude of the above poster, I think the majority of the cricket portal would support you. Good luck in your future edits [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 21:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) Ha! After repeatedly flaming you, the poster in question has attempted to "warn" me for my polite comment above. Its about time someone took him to ANI, his constant aggression and antagonism on this portal, along with several WP:competent issues is becoming more and more of a burden on regular editors. [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 3== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ivan Durrant]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Blairgowrie]] ([http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Ivan_Durrant check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Ivan_Durrant fix with Dab solver]). 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It is not necessary to use citations in the lead, per MOS, unless the information is not being repeated (for whatever reason) in the main narrative. I would assume something will be said in the main about ICC membership but, even so, a much better source than CricketArchive should be found because it is not always accurate. Try the ICC's own site, for preference. MOS policy on the lead is that it summarises the whole article. I presume we are going to say something about women's cricket so why do you keep removing all mention of it from the lead? It needs to be mentioned, especially as it is administered independently of men's cricket. Cricket's rules are the Laws of cricket and "Laws" is always written with a capital "L", just as "Test" always begins with a capital "T". Links to major countries like England are unnecessary per MOS. I hope all of that is useful learning for you and I will make the necessary corrections and amendments to the lead. Thank you. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC) :Points taken on "national sport" and MOS (citations, links). We're not referring to the MCC's official "Laws of Cricket". Also see the [[laws of rugby union]], [[laws of rugby league]], [[laws of Australian rules football]] etc. Some things simply go without saying in the lead. Of course women play cricket, so do children, the elderly, people with disabilities. We need to cut it down to the absolute bare essentials. [[Baseball]] (featured article) has managed to summarise its history in fewer words. Impressive, feels like a challenge. [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ::Okay, point taken on the laws but women's cricket is a noted international sport in its own right and must be mentioned. One short sentence will suffice. Yes, [[Baseball]] is a first-class article so maybe we should use its structure as our template. Thanks. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 07:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==DYK for George O'Mullane== {{ivmbox |image = Updated DYK query.svg |imagesize=40px |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#26 May 2016|26 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[George O'Mullane]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that during the early years of [[Australian rules football]], only [[Tom Wills]] was said to be able to match the "pluck and skill" of '''[[George O'Mullane]]''' ''(pictured)'' as a player?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/George O'Mullane]]. 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Soccer is however the term more often associated with the game in Australia, so in an Australian article it is expected to see the term Soccer used even if it is not chronologically accurate. Football was played in Australia before 1863. Association football was the first football. Football played prior to 1863 is obviously connected. Instead of splitting hairs over dates of terminology out of a sense of pedentry, why not re-write the text instead of just deleting it? --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 04:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC) == Edit warring on Milo Yiannopoulos == Please self revert and start a discussion, or I will take this to the edit war notice board. Thank you. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 21:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC) :By my count, HappyWaldo, you achieved a rather sensational 6 reverts in 24 hours. What's the deal? 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' == Welcome == '''Welcome!''' Hello, HappyWaldo, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/HappyWaldo|your contributions]]. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: *[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]] *[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]] *[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] and [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to develop articles]] *[[Wikipedia:Your first article|How to create your first article]] (using the [[Wikipedia:Article wizard|Article Wizard]] if you wish) *[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign]] your messages on [[Help:Using talk pages|discussion page]]s using four [[tilde]]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on [[user talk:SatuSuro|my talk page]], or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 13:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC) ==Gary Ablett Sr== Hi HappyWaldo, I'm writing to you because I accidently press Enter when explaining to you, in the Edit summary, why I replaced the line "in only his 2nd year", with the previous one, in the State of Origin section. If people go straight to the State of Origin section they won't see that he previously played for Hawthorn, they also may not read it, or glance over it. If so they won't see the significance of him being selected in just his 2nd year. I think this a better option.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC) With respect, I think is better option. In the source it mentions he also played at Hawthorn, if we write that in the section it won't be concise enough. We're saying the same thing, just Paraphrasing it. The purpose of an Ecyclopedia is to be as informative as possible.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Ok, we'll leave it as it is.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 00:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC) ==Billy Brownless and Victoria Australian rules football team== Hi how are you going, I worked with you recently on Gary Ablett's page, in the State of Origin section. I'm wonding if you could give me a hand. I've recently rewrote on the Victorian Australian rules football team page, and the Billy Brownless page creating a State of Origin section. I'm having trouble with another Editor, who I believe is Vandalising. The Editor keeps removing a line, which has been sourced, which states interstate football is the highest level in the game. I have explained to him by definition because only the best players were selected in the teams for the concept, it is by definition the highest level in the game. I have provided two references, one in an AFL Record, which states it is the highest level in the game, and he keeps removing the line. The other article the Victorian Australian rules football team, there is a section called "Notable State of Origin games". Which describes some of the most notable State of Origin games in history. He's rewritten on the section and keeps Re-Adding a spelling mistake, which I've pointed out to him. And other parts he's rewritten includes changing a word throughout the section called "kicks". I've used it to describe how many goals players kick in the games. It's proper terminology, which he claims it isn't, and it's proper terminology in the sport. When people are usually talking about Football games, they'll say X kicks X amount of goals in the game. And if you read the sentences describing the games, which he's changed, they don't sound right, they're poorly written. These articles really need attention. I'm not going to revert these changes, I want to resolve it the proper way through discussion first, which I've already engaged in, but doesn't seem to be making any progress. The Editor in question is called Afterwriting, there is a disscussion on his talk page. So if you would like to help it would be much appreciated. Sincerely [[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 09:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC) ==L Scott Pendlebury== I've just edited [[Andrew Pendlebury]], an Australian musician, and notice there is an article on his actress sister, [[Anne Scott-Pendlebury]], but nothing on their visual artist parents. His father, L Scott Pendlebury, seems to deserve an article but I'm very weak on Australian artist's biographies. He appears to have been an entrant for national art prizes including finalist for the [[ Archibald Prize]], winning the [[Wynne Prize]] (four times?) and the Dunlop Art Contest. Would you be willing to collaborate on such an article? If so, I'm about to incubate it at one of my sandboxes: [[User:Shaidar cuebiyar/Sandbox4|here]]. If tempted, jump in whenever you like.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 04:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for the heads up. I've started with some basic info. See how I go.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 05:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC) :L. Scott Pendlebury now ready and moved to mainspace.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 06:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC) == A barnstar... == {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | {{#ifeq:alt|alt|[[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[File:Original Barnstar.png|100px]]}} |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your work at [[Tasmanian Gothic]] has been excellent. Great work! [[User: Stalwart111|'''Stalwart''']][[User talk:Stalwart111|'''<font color="green">111</font>''']] 22:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC) |} == Shrine of Remembrance == Hi, I understand we also have an image of it in the infobox, but we also have two images of the skyline in the article as well as the infobox. Plus, one is at night, the other is day, and it's not such a drastic change either and it highlights an important part of Melbourne's culture. [[User:Bibzy|Bibzy]] ([[User talk:Bibzy|talk]]) 09:24, 9 January 2013 (UTC) :The skylines show different buildings, and some sections demand an image of the skyline. Different stuff can go in the culture section. If a building needs to be shown at day and night, it's in the building's article. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 11:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|MikeLynch|ts=16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:MikeLynch|MikeLynch]] ([[User talk:MikeLynch|talk]]) 16:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC) == Popular sports in Australia == <nowiki>*</nowiki>babbles* If some one wants to nominate it for deletion under whatever criteria, that's fine with me on some level. The problem is the content organization is fundamentally non-neutral and an RfC on the article said the organization for [[Sport in Australia]] as it stands without those sections was acceptable. The sections for [[Popular sports in Australia]] tend to end up with lots of fanboyism promoting particular sports. (The historical version of Sport in Australia had the AFL section and the NRL section both saying there were the most popular code in the country. The current version forces a more fact based approach so this popularity argument could not be used.) As it kept getting put back in despite all these issues, I just content forked as the easiest solution to this problem. The information should not be Sport in Australia. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 08:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC) : I'm not sure what to do with that problem. Popular sports is so completely subjective. I would have a hard time rating any sport other than swimming as a popular individual sport. But golf, tennis and motor racing are some of the big individual "money" sports despite low participation rates. Walking and yoga are listed as some of the top sporting activities in the country, but they almost certainly wouldn't go in the article despite that measure of popularity. The original article before the reformat had a section on I believe Underwater hockey. No way should underwater hockey be given equal weight to Australian rule football. Just annoying problematic, and most "Sport in COUNTRY" type articles should be rewritten to not include specific sections on sport. Beyond the NPOV weighting issues, they pretend that sports exist in complete isolation from each other when they do not. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 10:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC) ::Um! HappyWaldo, this is bemused Amanda. ::Your last edit comment on Culture of Australia is just a little odd. State funerals for Sportsman are just a wee bit uncommon; who but Bradman has received a State Funeral, in Australia? ::And you are correct, the use of the term "Sir" ''does'' imply that he was knighted. He '''was''' knighted. Another honour rather rare among Australian sportsmen. ::[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 08:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC) :::I wasn't suggesting that the info was put back. I agree that such details are not essential in article. I was simply registering my surprise at your comment. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 09:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC) == A beer for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Export hell seidel steiner.png|70px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Here's cheers! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 11:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC) |} == Edit summaries == Please provide a [[Wikipedia:EDITSUMMARY|summary]] for your edits. It is not too much to ask. That is what is expected from all editors. - [[User:Shiftchange|Shiftchange]] ([[User talk:Shiftchange|talk]]) 09:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:GA|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 05:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for February 12== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[List of Australian rules footballers and cricketers]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[South Melbourne Football Club]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/List_of_Australian_rules_footballers_and_cricketers|fix with Dab solver]]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC) == Block == My block had little to do with edit warring, it was to do with copyright images and sock puppetry. The edit warring may have been a contributing factor, but it wasn't the original reason. You are the one edit warring by clicking undo constantly, why are you so rigid with edits, particularly when they are constructive? [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 06:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC) == Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Tom Wills]]== The article [[Tom Wills]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Tom Wills]] for comments about the article. Well done! <!-- Template:GANotice result=pass --> <small>Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:Roisterer|Roisterer]]</small> -- {{User-multi |doc=yes |User=Roisterer |1=t }} 03:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC) == Re: DYK QPQ == Hi HappyWaldo, you only have to review someone else's DYK after you've submitted 5 of them. See the [[Wikipedia:DYK#Eligibility_criteria|eligibility criteria]] #5 :) [[User:Samwalton9|'''S'''am '''W'''alton]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9|talk]]) 08:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC) ==DYK for Tom Wills== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#30 March 2014|30 March 2014]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that [[cricket]]er and [[Australian rules football]] pioneer '''[[Tom Wills]]''' stabbed himself to death with a pair of [[scissors]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills&datefrom=2014-03-01&dateto=2014-03-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201403/Tom_Wills daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]]. }}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom --> &nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC) ==Montage== What on earth do you have against change? Is there an image so particularly unappealing that you cannot fathom seeing it used in the montage I replaced? I don't understand the rigidity. A lot of the images I chose were superior to the ones in the current one. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 09:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC) ::Interesting to see you ignored me here about the exact same problem. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC) == Thanks! == Whoops! Hadn't noticed the shenanigans going on. Just dropped in to fix a few links. Cheers! --[[User:Skyring|Pete]] ([[User talk:Skyring|talk]]) 17:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC) == Have YOU learned anything? == Wikipedia is a collaborative website and there is always room for change. Whether the current montage "looks better" is subjective... if you think that cloudy, dull and low resolution images look better then fine. But your rigidity - this constant opposing of any type of change regarding images, is beyond frustrating. You ruin the editing experience for those who have innovative ideas and so on. As for notable buildings, what isn't notable about St Peters Anglican Church (one of the oldest churches in the town), or the Bridge Hotel (an iconic red brick structure)...or how about Craig's Hotel, perhaps one of the most distinctive Grand Hotel buildings in the Victoria... they aren't notable? Your definition of 'notable' must be quite skewed, then. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 10:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC) :"Iconic" and "notable" buildings have Wikipedia articles. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 04:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC) ::Well no, not always. I still disagree. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 04:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for June 17== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Yarra Park]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[The Argus]] ([[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Yarra_Park|check to confirm]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Yarra_Park|fix with Dab solver]]). 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Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow [[User:BracketBot#Opting out|these opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, <!-- (0, 2, 0, 0) --><!-- User:BracketBot/inform -->[[User:BracketBot|BracketBot]] ([[User talk:BracketBot|talk]]) 03:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC) == Thank you for your vigilance and diligence on the Melbourne page == Will move the update from Conde Nast to the [[Tourism in Australia]] page. Keep up the [[Melbourne]]-page monitoring :-) Regards,--[[User:Soulparadox|Soulparadox]] ([[User talk:Soulparadox|talk]]) 13:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC) == No == I'm not going to reopen a discussion on the talk page because its generally just you and your Wikipedia friends chiming in on a fruitless debate about irrelevant 'problems' that leads to nowhere constructive. The purpose of Wikipedia, or the illustration side of it, is not to remain in stasis but to evolve. That montage is boring, it's been there for more than two years. What about the remodelled montage doesn't contain significant buildings? Everyone of the photos contains a significant structure and that's why I carefully selected them. I said to myself, "right, I'm going to select ''only'' images of buildings that are significant to Melbourne and its history and if HappyWaldo rejects the edits, then he's looking for reasons beyond what he says to dislike it." So your objection really clarifies that you have personal problems with any type of change relating to that info box montage and I do not understand why. I've never had problems doing the [[Brisbane]] montage, people there have accepted my changes but your odd and seemingly relentless rigidity makes Wikipedia an uncomfortable place. This is not an attack nor is it an insult, but I really do dislike the fact that you oppose everything I do. It's quite unfair. [[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 01:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for November 8== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Nick Cave]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Live at the Royal Albert Hall]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 16:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC) ==Nick Cave== 1) [[WP:NEUTRALITY]] is one of the rules of wikipedia. "Gothic" is one of the adjectives that critics have always used to describe Cave's music. There are [[WP:RELIABLE SOURCE]]s that support this information. If this information was edited out once again, an administrator would be contacted. 2) All the gothic artists dislike this label and it is not relevant to mention this in the body of an article. Had a style section existed in the bottom of the article, this might be added. You can use [[The Cure]]'s article as a model. 2) [[WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH]] is also a rule to follow. Nick Cave has never stated thaat he "detested" or hated or resented the gothic genre. He stated in 1982 that he "rejected the honory title of forefathers" to the goth scene. That what Smin magazine related in 1989. However, Cave helped spawn the goth scene as it was related many times. Wikipedia has to reflect all opinions from critics, however an article is a [[Hagiography]]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 17:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC) ==Sidney Nolan== Although you claim "clear copyright violation" you are 100% incorrect.... and it is unclear HOW you reach this strangely blunt conclusion. The picture is in the Tate Gallery in London, and (as in most UK galleries) public photography is permitted subject to using no flash... What world do you live in ??--[[User:Stephencdickson|Stephencdickson]] ([[User talk:Stephencdickson|talk]]) 23:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC) :[http://www.tate.org.uk/about/who-we-are/policies-and-procedures/website-terms-use/copyright-and-permissions "Photography in the main galleries is allowed for personal, non-commercial purposes only. It is the visitor’s responsibility to ensure no copyright is infringed."] - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for December 15== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ned Kelly]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Peter Carey]]. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 09:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC) == Changes to Ned Kelly Page == I notice that you have reverted the addition of photo's to the Ned Kelly page. Most of the photo's have been there for some time but in you latest slew of edits you have decidied to arbitrarily remove them with no justification. I also see that you have a history of this type of behaviour. I have simply put them back, and put them in a spot more relatable. For instance, the photos of amour, in the armour section. It's good for readers to be able to see actual photos of the armour, as no amount of text will ever be able to properly describe them. Also, relating to the photo of the person in armour, this was added some time ago for a reason. The reason being is that photo has been used by the popular media in the past, but they would say that it was Ned Kelly himself. This is obviously incorrect, and so it's good for Wikipedia to give the real situation. You are unaware of the history, and delete the images with no justification. I have also added photos of historical areas of interest as they appear today so that others who are interested in Kelly may seek to find them for themselves. Now I know that you are not a fan of Trove, with your edit comment 'why is the ''Burra Record'', an SA newspaper, singled out as a publisher of excerpts of Kelly's letter when numerous VIC and NSW papers got there first? this is the problem with using Trove', but I did not single out the Burra Record, someone else added the 'according to the 'Burra Record'' comment. (But I respected the changes) You then replaced that with just 'press', but did not provide any other citations. There was no reason to remove that section of test, and was in place because another editor found the original text confusing. By just deleting text with no justification, you are ruining the history. Just show some respect, and leave the images in place. I may not agree with the images that you have added, especially since you have not provided any in text attribution, but I respect the changes you have made and would not engage in an edit war with you just because of my own subjective opinion. Unless the images breach copyright, you have no real justification other than 'your subjective opinion' to remove them. I think the more images that can be added to enhance the article the better. ==DYK for Tom Wills portrait== {{tmbox |type = notice |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#12 January 2015|12 January 2015]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Tom Wills portrait]]''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Tom Wills portrait|a portrait]]''' ''(pictured)'' of cricketer and Australian rules football pioneer [[Tom Wills]] shows him with flushed cheeks, a sign of his [[alcoholism]]?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Wills portrait]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Tom Wills portrait]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/index.php?page=Tom_Wills_portrait&datefrom=2015-01-01&dateto=2015-01-31 live views], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201501/Tom_Wills_portrait daily totals])</small>, and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. 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[[User:Ashton 29|Ashton 29]] ([[User talk:Ashton 29|talk]]) 02:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC) ::The section is about dwellings of Melbourne residents as a whole, so it makes sense to show the typical terrace. There are far grander and more "unorthodox" heritage-listed terrace houses in Melbourne than the one you're proposing, but those would also be a poor representation. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 02:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC) == University Match == I don't know, and I don't know how one could find out. I must admit that I thought that "never matriculating" just meant that he never completed his course, but checking in my dictionary I see that I was totally wrong about the meaning of "matriculate". That obviously makes it much more notable than I had thought, and if you want to restore it I won't object. JH ([[User talk:Jhall1|talk page]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for March 10== Hi. 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Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 10:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC) == Didn't realize that there was such a thing as reference overkill == Sorry, when I placed the citations in the statement in the garage rock section of the [[Punk rock]] article, I didn't realize that there could be such a thing as overkill of sources--I am not an expert on Wiki policy--I am mainly a writer and who is interested in music history (and I have done my homework--gathering those sources was a lot of work). I did so because I thought that some people would find the statement hard to believe, though it is factual. I felt that having as many references a possible would be best in that situation, but you are right that there were definitely too many--in retrospect I can see that you have a good point. However, there is now only one reference left, and that may not be enough: it may leave the statement vulnerable to those who are doubtful of its accuracy--sometimes it is necessary to show corroborating references to back up a true statement that people may have trouble with. Just because we cite one single writer who said a certain thing, doesn't necessarily make his/her statement true--it can be seen by some as merely an opinion. So, to establish factuality, other references sometimes need to be invoked. As you are aware, the topic of punk rock tends to be contentious (look at all of the edit wars at that site). So, this is the kind of statement needs corroboration in order to be accepted by readers as factual. I should, therefore, be able to reinstate, maybe, ''two'' or ''three'' of the other references that had been there, without going into overkill. That would be a fair request. I have often seen three or four references used in other articles, that were approved by master editors. Three or four would not be overkill, but necessary corroboration (and fair). I would be sure to avoid using references that appear later in the etymology section, to avoid redundancy. [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ::Thank you or your message on my talk page. I was wondering if could I reinstate a reference from one of Lester Bang's books, because he is one of the most famous rock critics and is widely read. His books are published by a major company, Anchor Books (a division of Random House). [[User:Garagepunk66|Garagepunk66]] ([[User talk:Garagepunk66|talk]]) 15:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ==Edit warring== [[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. 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So you've contradicted yourself by originally saying the club purported to be the oldest football club, then go onto saying that they are in fact the oldest football club. * The wording of 'The club's origins can be traced to an 1858 letter in which [[Tom Wills]], captain of the [[Victoria cricket team]], calls for the formation of a "foot-ball club" with a "code of laws"' and 'An informal Melbourne team played that winter and was officially established in May 1859 when Wills and three other members codified [[Laws of Australian rules football#Melbourne Rules of 1859|"The Rules of the Melbourne Football Club"]]' suggests the codes were created twice and is worded as a reiteration, it's just been reworded to provide clarification. * The club was not established in 1859, it was established in 1858 (see the MFC talk page), so by saying the team was established after the informal team played gives the impression that was when the club was established, so formed is better wording. * Competition is spelt incorrectly. So rather than edit warring (which you have received warnings for in the past) and deleting whole constructive edits, make small tweaks which are constructive (I accept what you say about the dash). [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) :Furthermore, [[Sheffield F.C.]] is in fact the oldest professional football club in the world, therefore, "oldest Australian rules football club" is necessary. A very small amount of people in the world are aware of Aussie Rules, so by saying it is the oldest professional football club in the world, means people who are unaware of the Sheffield fact and Aussie Rules and stumble across the page, would assume it is the oldest club across all codes which are known as football. So the clarification is needed. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 10:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC) == Nick Cave == Both NME and Simon Reynolds are excellent sources, recognized as such by everyone. They are perfectly valid for an encyclopedia. Cave was a singer of Birthday Party, a band that music historian [[Simon Reynolds]] has qualified as "goth". Cave as the lead singer of the Bad Seeds has also been dubbed as gothic many times, by the ''[[NME]]'' and many others. Wikipedia is not a fansite when fans can reject things that they don't like. If perfectly valid points are reverted once again from this article, an administrator will be contacted right after. These 2 things have been reverted by an user who has clearly an issue with certain adjectives: an encyclopedia like wikipedia has to be [[wp:neutral]] and reproduces all the opinions from famous critics, regarding a subject. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 14:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC) : I propose this version: :*{{ex|Prior to this, he fronted the proto gothic band Birthday Party, which achieved renown as one of the most extreme and violent post punk groups of the early 80s}}. :That is a suggestion. In his book, Reynolds has opposed them to the ''Cure's mild version of Gothic gloom'', saying that a song like "Zoo-music Girl" ''oscillates violently between devotion and devouring, sacred and profane.'' It is still better than [https://books.google.fr/books?id=AQ8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=Nick+cave++Birthday+party+billboard+2003&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=w5yWVfrMOoWqUYfCgegF&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nick%20cave%20%20Birthday%20party%20billboard%202003&f=false Billboard's description in 2003]. :The NME's quote is apt as it uses the gothic adjective positively, like Rolling Stone did it in their [https://books.google.fr/books?id=t9eocwUfoSoC&pg=PA151&dq=Rolling+stone+album+guide+nick+cave&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=16SWVdjIIsjxUIi-vZgN&ved=0CC0QuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=Rolling%20stone%20album%20guide%20nick%20cave&f=false album guide]. This nme's quote is good compared to [http://www.mojo4music.com/10682/nick-cave-top-10-albums/ Mojo's here for instance]. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 15:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :: Bauhaus, The Banshees, Killing Joke and TBP are all proto-goth according to Reynolds. :: Historically, they are all only post-punk and they should only be referred under this genre. However, their music has got gothic overtones. Gothic is an excellent adjective and it has nothing to do with the goth genre that came a few years after. So for all these acts, one has to mention it in the lead as this is what is supported by many reliable sources. :: So, concerning the sentence about TBP, the gothic adjective has to appear somewhere next to the post punk genre because they were also inspirational in the creation of the gothic rock genre that came a few years after their beginning. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 21:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC) :Back to basics and [[wp: STICKTOSOURCE]]. Simon Reynolds qualified them as proto-goth which means that their music had sometimes gothic aspects months/years before the emergence of that scene. No matter that they retrospectively despised that genre. You have to include the gothic adjective in the description of TBP while insisting they have to be considered as post-punk. [[User:Woovee|Woovee]] ([[User talk:Woovee|talk]]) 16:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC) ::I agree to compromise and I'm fine with what you said but let's go back to the initial version for TBP with the words "one of the most extreme and violent post punk bands of the early 1980s": it is more neutral [all these post-punk bands have inspired plenty of musicians from different genres]. I let you make the changes as you accept to put the NME quote. 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[[Special:Contributions/101.103.158.115|101.103.158.115]] ([[User talk:101.103.158.115|talk]]) 09:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC) == ATTEMPT AT CONSENSUS on SYDNEY>ENTERTAINMENT == Dear HappyWaldo, considering that the lockout laws ARE now a major feature of the night-time ENTERTAINMENT situation in Sydney, since they entirely GOVERN *ALL* situations in which locals and internationals engage in entertainment in the traditional entertainment districts of Sydney, what is your proposal for at least MENTIONING the basics of it? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Accurate Nuanced Clear|Accurate Nuanced Clear]] ([[User talk:Accurate Nuanced Clear|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Accurate Nuanced Clear|contribs]]) 14:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :If you bother reading the discussion at [[Talk:Sydney]] you'll see that there are already proposals for handling the content. You just haven't bothered reading them and instead have concentrated on edit-warring. --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:green;">Aussie</span><span style="color:gold;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 14:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC) == Tom Wills == Do we really need to do this again? We have both previously agreed that Melb FC was established in 1858, and there is a court case ruling in favour of the club being established in 1858, not 1859, and the way that the Tom Wills page is written is that the club was established in 1859. I left it open to you to reword about the establishment of MFC because for whatever reason, it is near impossible to edit anything you've written without you reverting. There are references about the club being established in 1858 on their page. Remember in the past I recommended you make small tweaks rather than reverting, because the way I did the edit was left open to you re-writing it however you liked, but saying "The Melbourne Football Club officially came into being on 14 May 1859", suggests that was the day of their establishment. I don't care how you re-write it, but as it currently stands, it's incorrect. Like I said on the MFC talk page, the 1859 proceedings is up to interpretation, but people saying that's when the club was established is opinion, and I'll always refer back to that court case over the established year, it's a third party intervention without bias making a ruling that the club was established in 1858, therefore, all information on wikipedia must reflect that, and Tom Wills' page doesn't reflect that. [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 16:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC) :Hey, just letting you know that I will come back to this, I'm just dealing with something outside of Wikipedia at the moment, and I just need a break from any disputes. I didn't want to appear rude by not replying for a while, so I'll come back to this soon. Thanks, [[User:Flickerd|Flickerd]] ([[User talk:Flickerd|talk]]) 14:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC) == Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. == [[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]] This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. 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For example information like : On how Cricket is an important part of the Australian culture. : On how people think that playing England in Cricket is way of avenging past a perceived wrongs from the former imperial force. : On how Cricket is that important in Australian culture that it has been described in jest that the captain of the Australian Cricket team is the most important job in Australia after the Prime Minister. : A reflection of these Cricket community perceptions I just mentioned, three Australian cricket captains have been named as [[Australian of the Year]]; Allan Border in 1989, Mark Taylor in 1999 and Steve Waugh in 2004. : On how unlike other sports international Cricket is played all year round, not just a few yearly one off games. : On how the State of Origin series is even more popular, and is regarded with more importance than International Rugby league. : The Grade structure in sports in Australia. : On how to get drafted to the major sport leagues in the country. : On how the popularity for Basketball was very high in the 1990s, but in the last decade popularity for the national league has waned. And in recent years the league has come close to folding. : On how the NBL used to be played in the Australian Winter, but switched to be being played in the Summer so it didn't have to compete with the countries big Winter sports. : That Australia has been very successful in the Swimming at the Olympics, having won the second most amount of Gold medals and medals. : On how Australia have been very successful in Tennis sport, having the second most amount of [[Davis Cup]] wins, and being ranked second in coming Runner Up. : On how the Australian national Cricket team is the most popular national team. : On how the Heartland of Australian rules football is the State of Victoria. : On the biggest rivalries in the major sports. : On how Australian rules football is so popular in Victoria that the game has been described in Victoria as a Religion. : On how many players in the AFL have been drafted the unconventionally route through the Rookie Draft, and by playing in secondary level State leagues. : Naming the most notable and famous athletes in history in the major Australian sports. : On how at the start of every season the two Premiers of the National Rugby League & the Super League from the previous year play off in the [[World Club Challenge]], to determine the World Champions. : On how the AFL Grand Final is arguably Australia's biggest sporting event. : On when the seasons are in which sports are played. : On what days of the week the major sports are played, and what days the biggest games are played. : And more. These types of information don't belong in a History section, or any other of the sections on the page. Also just having the information that's in the history section now on the sports you have to read through the whole article to find all the information on one sport. This way all the information on every sport is in one place, it's more practicable. I think this is a better option.[[User:SportsEditor518|SportsEditor518]] ([[User talk:SportsEditor518|talk]]) 03:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC) ==August 2015== [[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add or change content without citing a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable source]]. Please review the guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-unsourced2 --> [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 01:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for September 1== Hi. 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[[User:Caballero1967|<span style="color:#44018F;font-family:georgia">'''Caballero<font color= "#003878">/<font color= "#145073">/</font><font color= "#006E0D">Historiador</font></font>'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Caballero1967|☊]]</sup> 23:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC) == Rasputin == Mr. Waldo, you don´t have a profile, which is suspicious. If you have special knowledge or capabilities you are welcome, but I am not impressed with what you did. Any kid can delete. Besides you seem to get involved in edit-wars regularly. The lay-out of Wikipedia is bad, pictures differ in size and the sentences are too long for easy reading. All the rules that existed in printing for ages are gone, since internet came up. Please mind your own business, Australian sportsman/criminals/rock stars. I would not dare to change something on a subject I have no knowledge of. One of the reasons Wikipedia will not survive, looses confidence. Regards,[[User:Taksen|Taksen]] ([[User talk:Taksen|talk]]) 04:15, 16 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne hatnote == Since you reverted the addition previously,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne&type=revision&diff=699628930&oldid=699627728] Could you please comment at [[Talk:Melbourne#Intro line]]? --[[User:AussieLegend|'''<span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span>''']] ([[User talk:AussieLegend#top|<big>✉</big>]]) 17:51, 20 January 2016 (UTC) == Melbourne governance... == The Parliament House is the only building mentioned but the section does make note of Melbourne's 26 cities, of which the City of Port Phillip is included, thus the South Melb Town Hall is pretty relevant as far as illustration goes. Architecturally and aesthetically, it's a great representation, and I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes. Just a suggestion... [[Special:Contributions/58.166.244.49|58.166.244.49]] ([[User talk:58.166.244.49|talk]]) 06:03, 8 February 2016 (UTC) :"I'd argue a little bit more notable than the current building at least as far as grandeur goes" irrelevant. Parliament House is a better known landmark regardless and is Melbourne's most important government building. - [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 06:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC) == Glenrowan - why police were in mufti== "Not significant" - I would had thought this brief explanation of an otherwise puzzling photograph was worth making in a long and detailed article - the Deputy Superintendent quoted (who had been present as a constable at the Kelly's last stand) stressed this point in an interview since, even a few years later, the police were being represented as having been in uniform. Modern film/tv recreations almost always make the same mistake.([[User:Buistr|Buistr]] ([[User talk:Buistr|talk]]) 00:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)) == Cricket == Mind telling me who the hell you think you are? If you object to some obviously genuine work that someone is doing, you go to them and discuss it with them. You do not behave like an arrogant knowall who summarily deletes work. Restore that edit now or this goes to ANI as a serious complaint about your attitude. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) If you wish to start an ANI about the behavior and attitude of the above poster, I think the majority of the cricket portal would support you. Good luck in your future edits [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 21:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC) Ha! After repeatedly flaming you, the poster in question has attempted to "warn" me for my polite comment above. Its about time someone took him to ANI, his constant aggression and antagonism on this portal, along with several WP:competent issues is becoming more and more of a burden on regular editors. [[User:Py0alb|Py0alb]] ([[User talk:Py0alb|talk]]) 09:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 3== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Ivan Durrant]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Blairgowrie]] ([http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Ivan_Durrant check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Ivan_Durrant fix with Dab solver]). 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It is not necessary to use citations in the lead, per MOS, unless the information is not being repeated (for whatever reason) in the main narrative. I would assume something will be said in the main about ICC membership but, even so, a much better source than CricketArchive should be found because it is not always accurate. Try the ICC's own site, for preference. MOS policy on the lead is that it summarises the whole article. I presume we are going to say something about women's cricket so why do you keep removing all mention of it from the lead? It needs to be mentioned, especially as it is administered independently of men's cricket. Cricket's rules are the Laws of cricket and "Laws" is always written with a capital "L", just as "Test" always begins with a capital "T". Links to major countries like England are unnecessary per MOS. I hope all of that is useful learning for you and I will make the necessary corrections and amendments to the lead. Thank you. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 18:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC) :Points taken on "national sport" and MOS (citations, links). We're not referring to the MCC's official "Laws of Cricket". Also see the [[laws of rugby union]], [[laws of rugby league]], [[laws of Australian rules football]] etc. Some things simply go without saying in the lead. Of course women play cricket, so do children, the elderly, people with disabilities. We need to cut it down to the absolute bare essentials. [[Baseball]] (featured article) has managed to summarise its history in fewer words. Impressive, feels like a challenge. [[User:HappyWaldo|HappyWaldo]] ([[User talk:HappyWaldo#top|talk]]) 00:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ::Okay, point taken on the laws but women's cricket is a noted international sport in its own right and must be mentioned. One short sentence will suffice. Yes, [[Baseball]] is a first-class article so maybe we should use its structure as our template. Thanks. <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 07:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC) ==DYK for George O'Mullane== {{ivmbox |image = Updated DYK query.svg |imagesize=40px |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#26 May 2016|26 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[George O'Mullane]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that during the early years of [[Australian rules football]], only [[Tom Wills]] was said to be able to match the "pluck and skill" of '''[[George O'Mullane]]''' ''(pictured)'' as a player?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/George O'Mullane]]. 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Soccer is however the term more often associated with the game in Australia, so in an Australian article it is expected to see the term Soccer used even if it is not chronologically accurate. Football was played in Australia before 1863. Association football was the first football. Football played prior to 1863 is obviously connected. Instead of splitting hairs over dates of terminology out of a sense of pedentry, why not re-write the text instead of just deleting it? --[[User:Falcadore|Falcadore]] ([[User talk:Falcadore|talk]]) 04:27, 21 June 2016 (UTC) == Edit warring on Milo Yiannopoulos == Please self revert and start a discussion, or I will take this to the edit war notice board. Thank you. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 21:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC) :By my count, HappyWaldo, you achieved a rather sensational 6 reverts in 24 hours. What's the deal? 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