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Sticky Note = The 3M Brand?
'Sticky Note' deserves its own article, instead of an automatic redirection. I have tried, but failed(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sticky_note&action=history). You may read the discussion(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sticky_note). Gillette is the dominating brand of disposable razors, but should the article for 'disposable razor' be an automatic redirection to Gillete's article? That should not be the case even if the producer is a monoploy. Please use logic. I simply want things to make sense logically. Since this is too difficult due to some strange reasons, I must give up.110.174.132.162 (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's not really relatable, since Gillete is a company, that would make sense if post-it note and sticky note redirected to 3M. But use common sense, post-it note and sticky note mean the same thing, sure, one is a more branded name (and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a move to sticky note), but they are duplicate articles. It would be as if you would create an article at air bubble packaging, which is clearly the same thing as bubble wrap, because other non-trademarked products existed, it's still a duplicate article and relevant information should go in bubble wrap. Dylsss (talk) 23:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Gillette is both a company name and a brand name. You had failed to understand the logic from the beginning. Look at the symbols at the end of the followings and check the respective company websites - 'Gillette®' and 'Post-it®' are on the same level in terms of legal status. The other points that should follow have already been mentioned. There is no need to repeat here. Do not worry, I have read some more talk history. The matter is not particularly with you. Thank you for the guidance. I have learned something. It is possible that the problem is on the term 'common sense'. The 'common sense' of dictionary editors, like those in Cambridge University Press(https://dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/sticky-note)(https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/post-it-note?q=post-it), is different from that of the editors of this English version of Wikipedia. The voters who opposed to establishing a de-branded article five years ago gave the reason that they seldom heard of the other names, despite the statistical data the proposer quoted, showing that it was just them, but not users of the English language in general. That is understandable. However, the tendency to disallow a few lines of 'duplication' to exist is pretty strange. Perhaps there are millions of 'duplicated' disambiguation pages to delete. It could be about ethnocentricity, brilliant marketing strategies or something worse. Anyway, I shall not try to dig into this. It must be terribly deep. By the way, you should try to merge the articles 'Bubble Wrap' and 'Bubble Wrap (brand)', or delete either, according to your reasoning about duplication.110.174.132.162 (talk) 09:19, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 30 October 2022
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Post-it Note → Post-it note – I don't think "note" should be capitalised here. QueenofBithynia (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Nominator blocked for sockpuppetry. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Support: No reason to capitalise 'Note'.Move to Sticky note to not use trademark. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)- Move to Post-it. If this article is indeed about the brand, and not the general concept of sticky notes, then it should use the brand name. 162 etc. (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Article comes off as still about the notes themselves to me. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I assume the capital Note is the official capitalisation, i.e. "Post-it Note" as a whole is a formal product name. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:28, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Right, but we typically wouldn't name an article after the product. We don't use titles like Frosted Flakes cereal or Sunlight detergent. 162 etc. (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- @162 etc. @Mellohi! see my suggestion above. It is already a redirect. YorkshireExpat (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Right, but we typically wouldn't name an article after the product. We don't use titles like Frosted Flakes cereal or Sunlight detergent. 162 etc. (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Just for informational purposes: There was a previous discussion about moving this article to the title "Sticky note" in 2015, which garnered only opposes. And here is where it was unilaterally moved from "Post-it note" to "Post-it Note" in 2018. Deor (talk) 22:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, some good points, some not so good. I think 'sticky note' may be becoming more common, but this may be driven by electronic version of the phenomenon, and it may be true that the 'Post-it' is notable in its own right. YorkshireExpat (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose -- it is a proper noun and part of the brand. --RockstoneSend me a message! 07:46, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral.
Move to Sticky note per WP:COMMONNAME based on the Google Ngrams.Rreagan007 (talk) 00:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- As was noted in the previous move discussion, many of the Ngrams results are due to this. Deor (talk) 02:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- I see. I've changed my vote to neutral, for now, based on this information. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- As was noted in the previous move discussion, many of the Ngrams results are due to this. Deor (talk) 02:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with rockstone35's opinion, these are sold as "Post-it Note" by my googling, so we should not be implying it is more genericness than it is. --Quiz shows 15:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Post it
Post it -- I feel it should be changed in to notes like on your caledarse you just post it -- my feel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.116.40.86 (talk) 10:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 13 August 2023
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Post-it Note → Post-it note – or Sticky note. The lowercasing would revert an undiscussed move of 3 April 2018, back to the title the article had during the RM of 2015. The trademark is merely "Post-it"; it does not include the word "Note". The company itself consistently used lowercase for the last word in the phrases "Post-it note" and "Post-it notes" for its history publication and always puts the registered trademark symbol "®" next to "Post-it", not after "Note" or "Notes". The logo does not include the word "Note" – it just says "Post-it", and the products have "notes", somewhere else on the label, often in lowercase (see here a picture that shows "notes" in lowercase if you zoom in to look at the pictures of the product label). Google Ngram shows lowercase very dominant. If there was a trademark for the full phrase, it would probably be plural as "Notes", but this title is singular as "Note". The company website has some overcapping, but does that to a lot of things, like the second word in "Post-it® Products". Sorry for reopening this question, but the last RM was tainted by a sockpuppetry problem and did not contain any of the information I provided in this rationale. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support Sticky note. This ngram evidence indicates that the general term is more common than the trade marked term. I don't see then, why we should be "advertising" for 3M. Sticky note should clearly not be capitalised - ie use normal sentence case (see here). Nor should we capitalise "note" in "Post-it note" (see here). Cinderella157 (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support Move to sticky note - While I certainly do not believe the current title is an advertisement, Google Ngrams data shows the generic term is in far heavier use. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Sticky note. I think this makes the most sense. Rreagan007 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Post-it. If this article is indeed about the brand, and not the general concept of sticky notes, then it should use the brand name. 162 etc. (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- But it's not about the brand. Dicklyon (talk) 05:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- If it's not about the brand, then it should be moved to post-it note. ~TPW 13:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
- But it's not about the brand. Dicklyon (talk) 05:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Post-it note. I don't know if this is an ENGVAR issue, but we always call them post-it notes in the UK, no matter who manufactures them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support Sticky note per Cinderella157. Dicklyon (talk) 05:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support either Post-it note for clarity or just Post-it (no real preference which since with "note" is a bit more usefully WP:PRECISE but without is WP:CONCISE and apparently the trademark). The article feels like it's primarily about the brand and not the generic concept of such a product. Also, I think looking at ngrams if you also include "Post-it" (since I think "Post-it" without "note" is quite commonly used) in ones search (even though that has more false positives), it turns out that "Post-it [note]" is the common name. Skynxnex (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: requesting more comments based on policy. Note: WikiProject Brands, WikiProject Business, WikiProject Technology have been notified of this discussion. Intentionally left-out WP:USA to not introduce any ENGVAR bias — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Please avoid relisting before the discussion's initial week has finished; this can be interpreted as a sort of finger on the scale. Dekimasuよ! 09:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support Post-it note per the nom's rationale. Deor (talk) 13:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support per MOS:AT; the only sources I can find contradicting that are using title case, which isn't used here.~TPW 13:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
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