Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gigi Ben Artzi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Closing as delete for both this and the related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Ben Artzi. The evidence presented in the two discussions indicates that they probably are not notable as a duo, and definitely are not yet notable individually. RL0919 (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gigi Ben Artzi

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Might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but right now doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:FILMMAKER. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I don't understand why the article is even being considered for deletion when it's clear that notability has been established and the article is properly sourced. --Omer Toledano (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep --Omer Toledano (talk) 13:07, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV since even the best sources provided only mention the subject in passing. Does not seem to meet the requirements of WP:DIRECTOR since none of his films are blue-linked. StonyBrook (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@StonyBrook:, @Onel5969:, thanks for your input. I've gone ahead and expanded the article with legitimate 3rd party sources (mainstream Israeli news sources) which cover the subject matter in a way which is beyond mere mention. I kindly ask to please withdraw the AfD request. --Omer Toledano (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is going to be a problem if the article on his brother Roy Ben Artzi is an almost exact carbon copy of this one. An argument can possibly be made for entry-level notability for the pair as a duo, but that still means this article should be deleted and the other article reconfigured to include his brother. StonyBrook (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @StonyBrook:, thanks. I agree. It's clear that notability exists which has been established on the basis of both brothers Gigi Ben Artzi and Roy Ben Artzi collaborating as a duo across various mediums (photography, music, video direction). If it would be a better idea to merge both articles and have them represented as a duo then I see no reason not to. --Omer Toledano (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @StonyBrook:, @Onel5969:, I've also expanded it further and added additional references. This AfD request should be revoked in my opinion. --Omer Toledano (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - all you've done is WP:CITEBOMB, with more trivial mentions. Citebombing is usually a good indicator of the weakness of a notability claim. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:53, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Onel5969: I beg to differ. I believe you are mistaken and your claim and AfD request is completely unjustified. Gigi Ben Artzi is a well-established and well-known personality in his various fields. Kindly revoke your AfD request. --Omer Toledano (talk) 05:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Onel5969:, @StonyBrook:, I've created the article Roy and Gigi Ben Artzi. It's clear that the pair have established themselves as a creative duo through their various directorial and musical endeavors. --Omer Toledano (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge under Roy and Gigi Ben Artzi. We must take into consideration that in addition to Tiger Love (musical group), the two have established a notable fashion photography and film-making career so ultimately a joint article would be required to encompass all scopes. I believe this has to be taken into account and included in any finalized outcome. --Omer Toledano (talk) 18:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gigi gets plenty of photo credit in published media, but that alone doesn't establish notability, the same way a journalist's bylines don't. I see no independent recognition of him nor his brother as notable fashion photographers. StonyBrook (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.