Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
The policy proposal can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is being described at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and would welcome additional help improving it.
Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
Very interesting. Do you intend the discussion to be on this list or on the Discussion page? I've done both :)
A brief read raised just a few questions in my mind:
1. Seems to be a little conflict between two sentences in the Publication section.
"or it could mean that the results will be submitted to a scholarly publication where the papers can be retrieved for free or a minor fee." and "Research published only in for-fee publications will not be permitted." Are you intending a distinction between "minor fee" and "for-fee"? Or is it the case that its ok if it goes to a "for-fee" publication (of any amount) as long as it is also freely available (known as Green Open Access). One could imagine negotiating that with a "for-fee" journal; in fact this policy might give us some minor leverage.
2. Has there been any discussion of how to enforce the one year provision? Just "Expect negative consequences if nothing is published/ made available"?
3. There wasn't much discussion of how the deliberation process would unfold. Would it be worth elaborating on that? Perhaps that it be done publicly visibly (as much as possible?
4. Would SRAG ask for a copy of the institutional review board certification (human subjects review) or perhaps the other way around?
Cheers, James
On Jan 5, 2010, at 15:21, Bryan T Song wrote:
Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
The policy proposal can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is being described at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and would welcome additional help improving it.
Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
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I would prefer that discussion about the specific content/wording of the proposed policies be held on their talk pages. The mailing list is best suited to higher-level meta-discussion.
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:22:15 -0500, James Howison [email protected] scribbled:
Very interesting. Do you intend the discussion to be on this list or on the Discussion page? I've done both :)
A brief read raised just a few questions in my mind:
- Seems to be a little conflict between two sentences in the
Publication section.
"or it could mean that the results will be submitted to a scholarly publication where the papers can be retrieved for free or a minor fee." and "Research published only in for-fee publications will not be permitted." Are you intending a distinction between "minor fee" and "for-fee"? Or is it the case that its ok if it goes to a "for-fee" publication (of any amount) as long as it is also freely available (known as Green Open Access). One could imagine negotiating that with a "for-fee" journal; in fact this policy might give us some minor leverage.
- Has there been any discussion of how to enforce the one year
provision? Just "Expect negative consequences if nothing is published/ made available"?
- There wasn't much discussion of how the deliberation process
would unfold. Would it be worth elaborating on that? Perhaps that it be done publicly visibly (as much as possible?
- Would SRAG ask for a copy of the institutional review board
certification (human subjects review) or perhaps the other way around?
Cheers, James
On Jan 5, 2010, at 15:21, Bryan T Song wrote:
Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
The policy proposal can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is being described at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and would welcome additional help improving it.
Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
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After several months of work by WikiProject Research, the research policy proposal Wikipedia:Research that we announced earlier has been posted at RFC:
We invite your participation as we push forward with turning this proposal into a Wikipedia policy.
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:21:52 -0600 (CST), [email protected] (Bryan T Song) said:
Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
The policy proposal can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is being described at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and would welcome additional help improving it.
Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
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The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:50:04 -0600 (CST), [email protected] (Bryan T Song) said:
After several months of work by WikiProject Research, the research policy proposal Wikipedia:Research that we announced earlier has been posted at RFC:
We invite your participation as we push forward with turning this proposal into a Wikipedia policy.
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:21:52 -0600 (CST), [email protected] (Bryan T Song) said:
Pursuant to prior discussions about the need for a research policy on Wikipedia, WikiProject Research is drafting a policy regarding the recruitment of Wikipedia users to participate in studies.
At this time, we have a proposed policy, and an accompanying group that would facilitate recruitment of subjects in much the same way that the Bot Approvals Group approves bots.
The policy proposal can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
The Subject Recruitment Approvals Group mentioned in the proposal is being described at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group
Before we move forward with seeking approval from the Wikipedia community, we would like additional input about the proposal, and would welcome additional help improving it.
Also, please consider participating in WikiProject Research at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Research
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
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Bryan Song wrote:
The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny [email protected] wrote:
Bryan Song wrote:
The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot down, fortunately :)
-- Phoebe
The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.
Fred Bauder
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny [email protected] wrote:
Bryan Song wrote:
The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot down, fortunately :)
-- Phoebe
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That would be because it came off of RFC last week. It was posted to RFC in early March, and the RFCbot removes them after 30 days.
One thing I fail to see however is how it was not well advertised. There were postings to Village Pump (Policy) made during drafting and when the RFC was posted, as well as my previous postings to this list informing all of you.
-- Bryan Song GroupLens Research University of Minnesota
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:32:25 -0600 (MDT), "Fred Bauder" [email protected] said:
The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.
Fred Bauder
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny [email protected] wrote:
Bryan Song wrote:
The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot down, fortunately :)
-- Phoebe
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The RFC bot takes down RFC tags after 30 days have passed. The editor who closed the discussion didn't realize this either. I replied to his concern with the relevant links to the RFC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Research#Making_a_policy_rfc It was that post that prompted the switch the closing decision from invalid RFC to valid RFC and policy.
For what it is worth, I tried to advertise this proposed policy as closely to the recommendations of WP:Policy and WP:RFC as I could.
We'll keep pushing. Your participation is invaluable.
-Aaron
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Fred Bauder [email protected] wrote:
The point is well taken that the proposal was not that well advertised and I still haven't found a link to the RFC.
Fred Bauder
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Piotr Konieczny [email protected] wrote:
Bryan Song wrote:
The Wikipedia:Research policy on subject recruitment on Wikipedia has made its way through RFC and is now accepted as a policy on English Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research
Thanks to all who helped draft and shape the policy. In the coming weeks, look for the creation of SubjectRecruitmentBot, and the starting of SRAG (the Subject Recruitment Approvals Group). Drop by the talk page and say hello if you're interested in helping.
Good job, although it appears somebody wants to delete it :)
Indeed, good job! Congratulations to everyone for working on it. As this goes on I hope the bugs will be worked out through discussion.
The deletion nomination is questionable and looks like it's being shot down, fortunately :)
-- Phoebe
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