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Need your eyes

The next goal, List of Wisconsin Counties to FL...Problem, I need a set of eyes to look at one thing: please. Wisconsin has 5 renamed counties and 1 proposed. This I did not know. In fact, there are undiscovered peoples on this planet, who have a knowledge base about Wisconsin that exceeds mine. Could you, pretty please with sugar on top, look at the able for the renamed and proposed counties and tell me what you think?? I have the refs, which I will add. BUT, you would be able to look and say, hey you didnt etc etc or hey you did etc etc. Also, I need to change the refs to Google books, I own one of them, not all. I am in the process of getting the regular table up to speed as well with the help of some great folksCoal town guy (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I was going to suggest Royalbroil and RFD as collaborators with local knowledge -- and extensive knowledge of Wikipedia. However, it looks like both of them are already engaged with efforts to bring the article to FL class.

I took a quick look at List of counties in Wisconsin. One thing I noticed was apparent inconsistency in format of the reference citations. I'll look more later. --Orlady (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

GROOVY, they do indeed know their stuff. I appreciate your help, I am very pleased with the group effort. I have 4 more states on my radar, I am trying to get a category as good or featured US Counties of course......I really got into learning about Battle Ax County. THAT is a cool name...IMO. Learning as much as I canCoal town guy (talk) 20:02, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about Davy Crockett semi-protection

I think maybe I don't under semi-protection status, so maybe you can clarify for me. By the way, thank you so much for semi-protecting Davy Crockett. The article was edited today by User:Kgrad, redlink user. It looks like the edits were good edits. However, as far as I can tell, this user is not autoconfirmed. In fact, that user page was deleted in 2010, and that user has just continued as a redlink editor. I'm not indicating there is anything wrong with this editor. But if this one can edit Davy Crockett, what about vandals? IMO, the absolutely worst and most total junk on that article came from a redlink editor several years ago. And I think the talk page has lately attracted a fringe element looking to vent, but I see that the talk page is not automatically protected along with the article itself. I guess I don't understand the protection level. Can you help me understand it? — Maile (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The semi-protection on that page seems to be working like it's supposed to. Kgrad doesn't have a user page (that's all that the redlink indicates), but the user has been around for several years and is autoconfirmed. See Special:Contributions/Kgrad for the edit history.

As for the talk page, it's only in very rare circumstances that an article's talk page gets protected. The idea is that non-autoconfirmed users should be given an opportunity to suggest changes for the article. --Orlady (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Sam Boaz

Hi-I started an article about Sam Boaz. He died recently and had served in the Tennessee Legislature and was a judge. You are more knowledgable about Tennessee politics then I would be. Sam Boaz was also an United States diplomat so he was an interesting man. You may want to look at the article. Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Your and our --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Precious again

support
Thank you stepping in wherever you see that you are needed, and that is a lot: translation, improvement of wording, understanding, and now coming to the rescue of an article a fighter for Human rights left us, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 46th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. The human rights fighter is back, I miss the photographer, again, and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sam and Cat

I see that you having been protecting the page alot lately. Can I suggest that you just protect it untill the fall. I have not put up the refference at this time, but the show will start in the fall. It has been announced it Nick's upfrniot this past week. I hope to but it up soon, when I get the time. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 13:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I added the reference to the article. It may help since ips seem to want add the cast and other unsourced info. Also would this link work for Cameron Ocasio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCUT3ZfvtY, he did link it from his twitter, but I am unable to view it. https://twitter.com/CameronOcasio/status/302615521428398081WP Editor 2012 (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the Natchez Trace...

...have you read Lois McMaster Bujold's The Sharing Knife books? They're set in a far-future (?) version of the eastern US, and the rivers and the Natchez Trace play a prominent role in the second two books.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. Thanks for the recommendation! --Orlady (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Spelling: Theatre District, New York

The move discussion was closed without alerting editors at the relevant Wikiprojects to join in. It has long been the consensus at WP:THEATRE and WP:MUSICALS to spell the word "theatre", in part because theatre professionals prefer this spelling throughout the English-speaking world, and because this spelling it is not wrong anywhere, while "theater" is wrong in many places,such as the UK. BTW, I am an American from New York City. Note that nearly all of the Broadway theatres are called "X Theatre". Would you kindly return to the talk page and see if we can get a wider consensus on this issue? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry you feel that way. The people who write about theatre on Wikipedia were excluded from the first discussion. For 6 years, the article had the name Theatre District, New York, and then one editor moved the title and campaigned to make it stick without notifying anyone who actually writes about theatre in New York. That was not legitimate. I wish you would weigh in again, as I think it will become clear that the consensus of editors who edit in this field is to use the -re spelling. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota)

I did a second (edit conflicted with the first) review of this article and have some reservations: Template:Did you know nominations/Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota). Espresso Addict (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Doncram closed

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Discuss this

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Orlady; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Lenzites warnieri

Orlady, it looks like you did heroic work on this article, but the one objection I had about the text has not been addressed, so I've put a ? icon on the review. Can you please do something about that "gathering" sentence and the "Ferme de Kandouri area" description? I've noted my issues in the review template. Once that's set, I'd expect the new hook to work nicely, and another "re-review" icon can be placed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lenzites warnieri

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Shu-Park Chan

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Map controversy

Thank you for trying to explain. I was running round in circles and, as the person who proposed deletion, was probably never going to get far. There is a lot of confusion regarding OR/SYN and the Commons/en-WP relationship, aggravated by the mistaken impression that I am from "rival country India".

I'm involved in that many disputes at the moment with relatively new conributors that it is wearing me down. - Sitush (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

John Dewey Academy

Hey there, I was wondering how best to paint the entire picture of John Dewey Academy. I think it is important to remain objective and inform the reader of criminal actions which have occurred by faculty to students. Troutbum898 (talk) 05:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Let's discuss this at Talk:John Dewey Academy. I have started a discussion there. --Orlady (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Orlady, I was wondering if you still wanted to engage in this conversation? I had several people look at it and they all agreed that it was relevant, unbiased but then after several thumbs up another person I asked for advice deleted it once again. What advice do you have so we can make sure that the best, un-biased, informative and complete JDA picture is painted? Seems like a rape/abuse cover up is happening to me and talking to a lawyer he said my posts were 100% O.K. Thanks! Troutbum898 (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Christian Bible College alumni ‎

Given all your work on unaccredited schools, you might be interested in the debate at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 March 15#Category:Christian_Bible_College_alumni SalHamton (talk) 03:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

for your recent input to Mykola Melnyk. Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 03:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I replied to your remarks at the DYK nomination. Your further help is very welcomed. Ukrained2012 (talk) 04:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

We'd like your opinion

A question for people who commented in the RfC at "Probationary Period" and "Not Unless". (Or feel free to reply on my talk page, if you prefer.) - Dank (push to talk) 19:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Margaret C. Snyder

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

A DYK Centurion

		The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Well its a real pleasure to award this to you Orlady. As a stalwart of the DYK project you will know that 100 DYKs are not easy and you have also nominated nearly 70 articles belonging to others - well done. Lots of schools, colleges, women and the occasional fungus have added to the communal wealth. Can I thank you on behalf of myself, the DYK project and the wiki. Victuallers (talk) 11:58, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

thx 4 the thx Orlady - Do you know that I just saw a "she" in a description of you and realised you were female. Not sure if I get a badge for ignoring your gender or a trout for not spotting "lady" is your user name! Cheers stalwart Victuallers (talk) 00:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

You didn't commit the error of calling me a "he" in the medal citation, so you're not at fault on that count. :-) And there's some potential for ambiguity in the meaning -- and gender connection -- of my userid. When I first created that moniker back in 1998, I was totally unaware that "Orlady" is some people's surname. --Orlady (talk) 03:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

The Office of Management and Budget issued OMB Bulletin No. 13-01: Revised Delineations of Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Micropolitan Statistical Areas, and Combined Statistical Areas, and Guidance on Uses of the Delineations of These Areas on February 28, 2013. The OMB uses the name North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area for the MSA. While you may find the use of the ISO 3166-2:US code FL for Florida offensive, that is how the OMB names all MSAs. Many MSAs extend into several states, e.g., Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area, and my guess is that the OMB uses the ISO 3166 codes to keep these MSA names from becoming (even more) ridiculously long. I don't think we should change official MSA names.

Your thoughts? Yours aye,  Buaidh  00:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I think the situation is pretty clear-cut. This is an encyclopedia, not an official U.S. federal government statistical report. Wikipedia's standards, including the Wikipedia Manual of Style, apply here and have precedence over U.S. government usage. As discussed at WP:TITLEFORMAT and WP:ACRONYMTITLE, abbreviations are not appropriate in article titles unless the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject. The state of Florida is known primarily as "Florida", not as "FL", so the abbreviation is not appropriate.

An additional important consideration is that the U.S. postal abbreviations can be ambiguous and confusing, particular to people outside the United States, but also to some Americans. For example, "CA" may mean "California" to the U.S. Postal Service, but in some other contexts it means "Canada". And you probably know that "CO" is a standard abbreviation for things other than "Colorado". Many Americans get confused about abbreviations like "AR" (Arkansas, not Arizona) and "AK" (Alaska, not Arkansas); "MO" (Missouri, not Montana) and "MS" (Mississippi, not Massachusetts or Missouri) and "MA" (Massachusetts, not Maryland). --Orlady (talk) 00:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The Office of Management and Budget defines statistical areas for the use of federal, state, and local government. A metropolitan area can have many definitions. A Metropolitan Statistical Area has no meaning other than that defined by the OMB. If you wish to give your own spin to a metropolitan area, then you should use a generic name such as the North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton metropolitan area. Creating an official/generic mashup is far more confusing than using ISO 3166 codes. We can have articles about generic metropolitan areas, and we can have articles about officially defined statistical areas, but I think we do a disservice by creating hybrids.

My only real point is that we should only use the capitalized Metropolitan Statistical Area, Micropolitan Statistical Area, and Combined Statistical Area for OMB defined statistical areas, and we should use the lower case metropolitan area for other areas of the U.S. that do not strictly follow the OMB definitions.  Buaidh  01:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Your last paragraph confuses me. You objected to my changing "FL" to "Florida". I didn't change the "Metropolitan Statistical Area" part of the title. I do not object to that part of the title, so there's no benefit in starting a discussion on it. However, I continue to contend that for an article about an OMB-defined area, if the Wikipedia article title is going to include the state identifier, then it needs to be the actual state name per WP:MOS. Do you see a need to take that question to Wikipedia talk:Article titles (or possibly to an RFC at Talk:North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area)? --Orlady (talk) 02:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I object to using the term "Metropolitan Statistical Area" with a name that is not the OMB designated MSA name. If you want to rename the article to something other than the OMB MSA name, then please choose something that does not resemble the OMB MSA name. Almost correct names merely create confusion over the proper name. If you cannot live with "FL", why not just create a REDIRECT for your own use?  Buaidh  04:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It looks like it's time for a broader discussion on a general noticeboard. I'll open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Article titles. --Orlady (talk) 04:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

See [[Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Two-letter abbreviations for U.S. states in titles for articles about Metropolitan Statistical Areas. I hope I didn't misrepresent your perspective. If I messed up, I hope you will feel free to correct my statements. --Orlady (talk) 05:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota)

Hello! Your submission of Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• Orlady, I just added a citation for the one paragraph that was missing one (the NRHP single-sentence one). I think this needs a response from you on whether this is set (if Espresso Addict's issues have been addressed), at which point I imagine it'll be ready for approval. Please stop by when you can. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I had overlooked Espresso Addict's concern about the lack of an in-text citation for the National Register listing date, which was sourced in the infobox. Thanks for copying the citation to the text. --Orlady (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad to see the review moving again. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the note at my talk page re. the PD status of NRIS. I appreciate your taking the time to leave it, the more so since I've had some back-of-the-mind worries about whether Doncram's and my exchange over the matter could be regarded as an edit war. I think both of us have behaved ourselves fairly well to date; but I suspect that most people who get into edit wars think that of themselves. Your note gives me some assurance that I'm not just chasing a personal obsession here. Thanks — Ammodramus (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for letting me know about the DKY acceptance of Josiah Gregg and also thank you to you(?) or to whomever made the great change to use the photo of the plant instead of the picture of Dr. Gregg. That is a really nice change. I have been under the weather with the flu the past few days and didn't pay attention to the nomination perhaps as I should have. I am very happy that someone has shepherded it through the last steps to finished. Again, thank you! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear that you approve of the way that DYK ended up, since there were some last-minute decisions on it, as I described at Wikipedia talk:DYK#Notes on Josiah Gregg. Thanks for your work on the article! --Orlady (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The DKY was perfect when it was done! It was a lot of confusion in the early days, I am sorry if I created any confusion in the process. I will be extremely careful to nominate any article with work from other editors on it in the future, the little articles I wrote for DYK before were started by me and a lot less troublesome than poor Dr. Gregg! The photo of Dr. Gregg first appeared in a reprint of his "Commerce of the Prairies." It was in the family collection until its first publication in one of the reprints of his book. I have no idea if it's provably in the public way, but it had to have been taken before 1849 when Dr. Gregg died. It may be a professional image from when he was in New York for his book, or it may be from when he was learning to make daguerrotypes himself. Perhaps the story of his photo may be in his published letters. In any case, the family had the image so it was either in their hands before he left for California, or was one of the things that his former partner returned to the family after Dr. Gregg's death (from the papers which were left with him before the final trip). No matter, I like the plant photo better! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Bogart Cooper

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

RE. April 2013

I'm not really sure how the source I added on Sam & Cat wasn't reliable since it was coming directly from the person saying that they got a role on the show. Jjj1238 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Jjj1238 that was for a guest spot. Not a regular member.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I couldn't tell from the video what kind of role she had. --Orlady (talk) 15:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Bircham International University

Dear Orlady, I write to you as one of the senior editors of the article about Bircham International University. I have seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning that this place is listed linked to Oxford International University and sourced on the Oregon DOE list. If you check the Oregon list you will find out that this connection was removed quite some time ago. Please update the mentioned entry of BIU without the reference to Oxford according to what is actually referred by the Oregon DOE list. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.210.154 (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added an additional citation to the list to clarify that the information is from a different source (Bear, John (January 1, 2003). Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning. Ten Speed Press. ISBN 1-58008-431-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) pages 192–193). --Orlady (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Mackerel

I enjoyed that DYK piece! Can you tell me how the DYK process works? Appreciated, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Happy to do so! DYK highlights newly created (or recently significantly expanded) articles that meet certain minimum criteria for content (mostly related to length, sourcing, and absence of copyvio or plagiarism), and it does so with teasers based on interesting facts found in those articles. As a reviewer at WP:AFC, you are likely to see articles that are candidates for nomination for DYK. Also, you may find (as I have) that DYK motivates you to develop some of your stub creations into articles that qualify for DYK. There's a lot of documentation at Wikipedia:Did you know, Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines, and Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide. The review process is always on display at Template talk:Did you know and the development of the main-page DYK section is visible at Template:Did you know/Queue. Reviewers are always needed, if you want to try your hand there. --Orlady (talk) 18:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Is is relatively painless to propose an article? There are a few I have in mind. I'll have a look. Thanks again! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The nomination process isn't hard. There's a template at T:TDYK#How_to_list_a_new_nomination that walks you through it. Before you nominate, though, it's a good idea to satisfy yourself that the article qualifies for newness (created or moved to main space within the last 5 days, or a 5x expansion began within that period), length (at least 1500 characters of prose, not including blockquotes, bulleted lists, etc.), citations (throughout the article -- I find that many new articles have unsourced paragraphs or sections, and thus don't qualify), and lack of plagiarism/copyvio, and also that the fact(s) in your proposed hook is/are supported by a cited reliable source (or sources). --Orlady (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Close SPI

Thanks for the clarification and userpage fix. – S. Rich (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you removed the newsletter. Although you did not specifically sign up for it, I included you in the distribution this month because you were credited for relevant article improvements in it. Would you like to continue receiving it in these circumstances or would you like to opt out of it next month?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I can do that I'm going to add the people mentioned manually next month anyway so ok.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Claire Nader Page

Hi Orlady, Thank you for taking the time to review Claire Nader's page. I am editing this page for her sister and all the information I am adding is accurate. Everything that is able to be recovered online regarding Claire Nader's work has been added to the page, although the bibliographical information that I added needs to stay the way I edited it since it was changed to accommodate the way Claire Nader would like it. I understand that the information does not have all the citations yet, but many of citations on the page originally were incorrect or irrelevant, which is why I removed them. Please let me know why you changed it the citations back to how they originally were. I would like to make sure the correct information gets back on the page asap. This is per request of Claire Nader's sister, Dr. Laura Nader.

Thank you, Cameron — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.194.46 (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The deal is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for posting autobiographies or CVs. Importantly, content must be verifiable, which means that it must be supported by reference citations to reliable sources. This edit to Claire Nader, which I largely reverted, deleted several reference citations and removed most of the Wikipedia-standard formatting in the article. The content you added appeared valid, but it was not supported to reference citations, so I tagged it as needing sources.

From your subsequent edits, I infer that she doesn't want her birth date published. That's understandable (and at this point I can't say where I got the birth year when I created the article back in 2009). Some of your other additions are of unsourced details of a type that would not normally appear in an encyclopedia biography; I am referring here to unpublished writings, grants received as a graduate student, and very short publications. It's best to provide a selected publications list that includes her most significant work. --Orlady (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Please opine

Care to weigh-in on Talk:Higher education accreditation in the United States#New material? – S. Rich (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I've definitely thought about it! I guess I need to... --Orlady (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

United Bates of America

Anyone can read and see that there aren't any multiples for the Bates. I am going by the "Children" section for the Duggars, where the kids are just listed.

Besides, look at the birthdates and you'll will see none are merged, unlike with the Duggars.

Why do you feel the need to mention they're all "singletons", when it's obvious for anyone reading/looking and not needed? BBB76 (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I could ask you (1) why you persist in deleting a valid citation to a valid reference and (2) what you have against prose. Deletion of sources contravenes Wikipedia's core policy on verifiability of content. As for the prose that you don't like, please note that this is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedic content normally is primarily prose, meaning sentences with nouns, verbs, and punctuation. Encyclopedia articles don't normally consist solely of section headings followed by long data tables, and readers shouldn't have to study data tables and draw their own conclusions. The "Children" section of United Bates of America really ought to have some summary text about the children. That one sentence that you have repeatedly deleted is admittedly not much of a summary, but it was a start that could be expanded upon. Not all readers are as fascinated by lists of birthdates as you might be; readers might appreciate a summary of the salient information about the children, rather than having to extract it all from the table. That fact about the children being singletons that you keep deleting is one that has been stated by multiple published sources, presumably because large families often include multiples -- as does the Duggar family. --Orlady (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Drop the prose, prose, prose, prose. I have no idea what that means, since I don't use it normal everyday conversation.

You want to keep the reference? Fine, but we don't need to point out the Bates are "singletons". Who says that? As I've said, anyone can read that the Bates' births are not multiples, like the Duggars are. BBB76 (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to contribute productively to the English Wikipedia, you may need to work on your vocabulary. (This isn't Simple English Wikipedia.) The word "prose" is used in Wikipedia guidelines; see WP:PROSE, which presents one of the points I've tried to make repeatedly. As for "singletons", this is a standard term for children whose births occur one at a time. That particular word may not have been used in the cited source, but Wikipedia avoids parroting the words and phrasing of its sources.

Note: Your hostility to the content created by other users is not an attractive trait. --Orlady (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a job that requires you to use big/fancy words? You certainly don't talk like the average person, that's for sure. As for being hostile, I really doubt it, you're reading between the lines, for some reason. BBB76 (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)