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Hello, welcome to my talk page. Any questions, comments, concerns can be added here.

Why are you editing bot-generated pages?

Why are you vandalizing this page? ST47 (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I second the question, especially since the entry you are creating is not accurate. --RL0919 (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The bot has yet to include me in the page because i have made over 49 k edits to wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacySinrich (talk • contribs)

I can only see about a hundred. Where are the older ones? ST47 (talk) 16:05, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

i see contributions — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacySinrich (talk • contribs)

The Edit Counter tool shows the statistics for your current "MacySinrich" account here: as of when I checked, you had 116 edits to English Wikipedia since the account was created on 19 October 2019. If you had another account before, those edits would be counted separately. In any case, it does no good to edit the list page that the bot maintains. Even if ST47 and I did not revert you, the bot overwrites the page each night. --RL0919 (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Im really sorry, I thought that contributions and edits were the same thing. I didn't mean any harm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacySinrich (talk • contribs)

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Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Immaboomer". The reason given for Immaboomer's block is: "Vandalism-only account".

Blocking administrator: ‪Edgar181‬ (talk • blocks)

Accept reason: I think you should be able to edit now. If not, let me know. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editing other user pages

Hello! Please don't edit the user page of other accounts. I can see you have done multiple such edits. User pages are one of the few types of pages that are generally off-limits for editing by other users. Per WP:NOBAN, "In general, it is usual to avoid substantially editing another's user and user talk pages other than where it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful." Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A note

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I ended up with your draft page on my watchlist. I hate to burst your balloon, but unless there are WP:RS that support your new language (i.e. it has been written about by others), it won't ever be a Wikipedia article. This is because we do only publish items that are WP:NOTABLE and which further the goals of the encyclopedia. I can see what you are doing is noble and interesting, but perhaps make yourself a backup copy on your computer in case it gets deleted! As you seem really interested in linguistics and have good editing skills, you might want to try expanding articles for linguistics topics. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is also a sandbox page that will never be a wikipedia article. This is a fictional sandbox item Macy (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so, but wanted to advise you to make a local backup copy, just in case it does get deleted. The sandbox doesn't usually get deleted, but we also have a policy about not using Wikipedia as a web host, so it might. Anyway, you are good editor and I hope you decide to make more contributions to "mainspace"! They would be valued.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Welcome to Wikipedia, MacySinrich! Thank you for your contributions. I am ThatMontrealIP and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashali village and Gunkha village

Hello, what made you think that those moves were vandalism and how does adding village in the name make them distinguishable from village in India which you mentioned in move summary? ‐‐1997kB (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't understand why you didn't type in the revert. ‐‐Macy (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry? Which revert you are referring to? ‐‐1997kB (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

January 2020

Hello, I'm Cristabel0. I noticed that you recently removed content from Mötley Crüe without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cristabel0 (talk) 20:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was a pronunciation needed and that is pretty unnecessary ‐‐Macy (talk) 20:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock requests

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Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Joemommalikesme". The reason given for Joemommalikesme's block is: I have no idea what that account is this account (my own) is not a vandalism-only account. I do not understand this. Please unblock me. "Disruption-only account". I have no idea what that account is this account (my own) is not a vandalism-only account. I do not understand this. Please unblock me.

Blocking administrator: ‪ToBeFree‬ (talk • blocks)

Accept reason: Autoblock removed. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Caught by a colocation web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. My IP address is 3.136.19.180. Place any further information I have been blocked because of my web host 7 times. It is getting very old and I am tired of being blocked from something that not even my webhost can control. here. Ⲙᄉςи Σιⲛꝛι1 13:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Why are you editing through a web hosting provider? That is an Amazon AWS IP. Try disabling your VPN? Also, your signature is defective. It is required to link to your userpage, talk page, or contributions. ST47 (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I do not have access to disable my VPN. I edit through my school provided laptop. The schools network is a web host. I have no control over thisMacy (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 2020

Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.

When editing Wikipedia, there is a field labeled "Edit summary" below the main edit box. It looks like this:

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting Preferences → Editing → Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary. Thanks! Nardog (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please start providing edit summaries for your edits. Even just the kind or area of the edit, e.g. "IPA", "punctuation", "typo", "lead", etc., would be better than nothing. Nardog (talk) 16:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

Caught by a colocation web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. My IP address is 3.136.19.180. Place any further information here. Ⲙᄉςи Σιⲛꝛι1 13:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

That IP address is registered to a colocation centre. You should contact your local network administrator or whoever handles IT in your organization. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:07, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Welcome

Hiya, and welcome to WP. I notice you've had some troubles above (I can't help you massively with these, I'm sorry) but nobody's actually taken the time to welcome you and show you around the place!

It seems that you're slowly finding your way around the place, but I thought I'd draw your attention to the Wikipedia Tutorial, which will introduce you to most of our guidelines, policies and generally accepted habits around Wikipedia. Feel free to come ask me questions on my talk page if you need, also. Good luck :) -- a ^{they/them | argue | contribs} 17:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February 2020

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia. you've had plenty of warnings. if you ever do anything like this again, expect to be blocked and stop wasting editors time. Praxidicae (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also considering you've repeatedly applied for advanced permissions, you should already know how to sign your edits. Praxidicae (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain why saying hello to another editor is vandalism? MacySinrich (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let me make this clear: Wikipedia isn't a social network and if you continue your vandalism and wasting of other peoples time, you will be blocked. Praxidicae (talk) 01:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I understand, I apologize for the mistakes i have done. I will do my best to follow the rules here.

This is ridiculous. An off-handed greeting is not a violation of WP:NOTSOCIAL, let alone "vandalism" so egregious it's deserving of a "final warning". It's unacceptable in consideration of WP:AGF and WP:BITE. Sure, incompetence is shown, but one does not get to infer malice until it's manifested. Nardog (talk) 01:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So does that mean it is a block?, I dont want to get a block but Im scared. MacySinrich (talk) 01:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm commenting on Praxidicae's "warning", which I found highly inappropriate. I don't think you'll get blocked anytime soon, but it does seem premature for you to request any permission. Policies and guidelines like WP:BITE instruct editors to be lenient to newcomers, but if you don't show progress in your editing after people point things out for you, you might eventually face some sanctions. For starters, as I've done twice already, I ask you to make more use of the edit summary function. Nardog (talk) 02:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh yes, I struggle with writing them, honestly, I'm a little lazy with edit summaries, but I am really trying to write more summaries instead of skipping. MacySinrich (talk) 01:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced additions to Karay-a language

Hello, I'm Austronesier. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Karay-a language, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I am aware that you just have tabulated pre-existing unsourced material in the preceding section. Nevertheless, this material needs to be properly cited. Austronesier (talk) 10:22, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was a huge fixup on the phonology that would redirect to another wikipedia page, so unless wikipedia allows citations from another wikipedia article. Then I will do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacySinrich (talk • contribs) 10:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citing WP cannot replace a reliable source, unless you just add a summary-style to an empty section and refer to a main article with the template {{main|}}.

Btw, I have reverted a couple of your addtions of IPA transcriptions [1], [2], [3], [4] because of major mistakes. Please avoid DIY transcriptions just to fill a gap.–Austronesier (talk) 10:50, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was basing it of of Wiktionary and Help:IPA, its my mistake. Macy Sinrich 10:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Noted. Then please refrain from DIY transcriptions just to fill a gap. This equals WP:OR and is not helpful. If you want to add information, it has always to be backed up by a reliable source. That's why I have made a quick revert instead of correcting your additions based on my personal knowledge, because it is better to have no information at all, rather than unverifiable information. If you or I find a source, we can add the info for the benefit of our readers. –Austronesier (talk) 11:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andi language

Can you please explain this[5] and the following edits? There are significant differences between the inventories of consonants in the old version and the version after your edits. You couldn't have done this by mistake, since you changed the explicitly stated number of consonants from "43" to "50". I assume good faith, so can you please add a source for these edits? Thank you! (@ST47 and Nardog: FYI). –Austronesier (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can explain these edits, by comparing all the Andic languages and looking for consistencies in the phonology, I was able to piece together a phonology. I miscounted the number of consonants, so it was supposed to be 50. It was definitely a mistake. I apologize. Macy Sinrich 15:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank for your well intentions. Since you say that this was a mistake, I will revert. Reorganizing phonemic data into charts is absolutely fine, but when you reach the point that you count more sounds than the editors before you, this should ring a bell. Please refrain from inventing phonemes for the sake of "consistency" (e.g. /t̪ːʼ/ or /dz/). If you can remember to have edited in a similar "creative way" way on any other page, I'd advise you to self-revert. –Austronesier (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, I will read these rules carefully and use my judgement on whether my edits are fitting. MacySinrich (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what are some sources for IPA pronunciation, because articles with IPA are sourced from the Help:IPA/Language. I am really confused, any help would be appreciated. MacySinrich (talk) 13:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DYI phonetic transcriptions

I have seen that you continue to add unsourced and incorrect DYI phonetic transcriptions to various articles. Please refrain from adding incorrect and unsourced material to Wikipedia. Thank you! –Austronesier (talk) 13:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So If I use the Wiktionary IPA pronounciation, I have to source the Wiktionary one? Because I am using the File and standard pronunciation of these letters. But thanks for the suggestion. MacySinrich (talk) 14:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just for clarification, this is not a suggestion, but a warning about your repeated adding of unsourced and wrong information to Wikipedia. No, Wiktionary entries are not a reliable source. But this is not what you have done: I am not aware of Wiktionary entries for Abolhassan Banisadr, Alexander Perepilichny, or Abdolali Bazargan. You create do-it-yourself-IPA transcriptions based on your understanding of pronunciation rules taken from Wiktionary—with limited success. By doing this, you violate against basic WP policies about WP:verfiability and WP:no original research. The latter also includes trivial things such as experimental do-it-yourself-IPA transcriptions. Please be aware of these rules. If you continue to violate against these policies by adding things like these[6][7][8], I will report you to WP:ANI for deliberate addition of unsourced and wrong content, which equals disruptive editing and may result in a block. –Austronesier (talk) 15:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC

I am sorry. I will read these carefully and use my best judgement on whether my edits are appropriate. But I would like to know how I would cite an IPA pronounciation. Much help is appreciated. MacySinrich (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for IPA pronunciations are e.g. dictionaries, but they should meet the criteria of WP:reliable sources. If there is no source (which is generally the case for personal names, and lesser known place names and institutions), then we'll have to live with the missing IPA (rather than doing bold experiments which I have urged you not to continue here). –Austronesier (talk) 12:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ugashik Bay

I apologize for edit warring. I should have proceeded to explain before reverting. I'm sorry.

But may I ask, what exactly are you trying to achieve by removing all those {{Pronunciation needed}} tags? Most of them were added by people who genuinely thought a pronunciation notation would improve the article. As designated in WP:LEADPRON, only common English words and words whose pronunciation is apparent from spelling are explicitly proscribed to have pronunciation notations. Neither "Ugashik" nor "Tsutsube" fall under either of them (because we don't even know how they are actually pronounced!). No one is asking you to reduce the number of pages under Category:Articles needing pronunciation and it doesn't need to be reduced because there is no deadline on Wikipedia.

And from what Austronesier said above and your edits and summaries at Tomás mac Muircheartaigh Ó Ceallaigh, Kʼan II, etc., it is evident that you have inserted notations that do not conform to the corresponding keys (despite WP:PRON#Other languages) and/or that you yourself don't know are accurate. I'd really, really appreciate it if you stopped removing the tags and only inserted pronunciations when you are absolutely certain (a) the pronunciation is substantiated by an external reliable source and (b) the notation is input correctly according to the corresponding language-specific key. I know you're doing it thinking you're improving the encyclopedia—as I have no reason to assume otherwise—but please stop because you're not. Nardog (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I said (a) the pronunciation is substantiated by an external reliable source and (b) the notation is input correctly according to the corresponding language-specific key. None of your contributions in the last couple days is that. Refusing communication could result in sanctions. Nardog (talk) 18:35, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Im extremely sorry, I have actually studied a lot of the languages that have the needed pronunciation. and have been imputing them to the Help:IPA/ and absolute certainty. My recent edits do very much conform to the language specific keys. So I hope you will have noticed some improvement now or in the future.

Since you asked, here are some:

Here, here, here, here, here, and here, you didn't include a tone in the last word even though it's polysyllabic.
Here and here, you didn't indicate tones at all, and used [ɟ, v], which are not used in the key.
Here, it's [ˈva.t͡swaf struˈʂɨɲ.skʲi], not [ˈva.t͡swaf struˈʐɨ.nski].
Here, you somehow included a slash, and [ʊ], which is not used in the key.
Here, you didn't include the stress.
Here, you didn't include stress in the last word, and used [g] where it should be [ɣ].
Here, you included multiple primary stresses in one word.
Here, you transcribed ⟨αυ⟩ as a diphthong even though it's pronounced with [f] in Modern Greek (which {{IPA-el}} is for), and used [ɾ] which is not used by the key.

These are not exceptions but typical of your contributions. One cannot possibly check and correct a pronunciation after another given the rate you instate them and how often they have a problem. Nardog (talk) 19:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, don't simply replace {{Pronunciation needed}} by {{IPA-xx}}, but include the IPA inside the parentheses following the bold text, as in '''Name Name''' ({{IPA-xx|...}}; born ...). And use ~~~~ to sign your comments. Nardog (talk) 19:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the trend is that I'm horrible with tones and syllables. Serbo-croatian tones always mess me up. So for any of the Serbo-Croatian pronunciations needed, I will stay away. Once again, Im so sorry.I left a message on your talk page. Macy 19:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not just Serbo-Croatian. The languages you have transcribed incorrectly include Spanish and Polish, and I only know this because they are widely spoken European languages with largely phonemic orthographies. But even when you transcribe correctly you still do not follow the conventions of the linked key completely, as in here, even though Help:IPA/Standard German uses simple ⟨ts, aɪ⟩. These things have cast serious doubt over the accuracy of the transcriptions you added for other languages such as Nahuatl, and over your overall competence in adding phonetic transcriptions on Wikipedia. So I strongly suggest you refrain from adding IPA transcriptions in articles. If you do a massive insertion of imperfect transcriptions, like you did this time, again, you will likely face a sanction, such as a topic ban. Maybe start asking if your transcriptions are correct on pages like Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language rather than add them in articles directly, so that other generous editors can review them and you can learn from it.

I'm glad you're using the tildes to sign, but your signature violates WP:SIGLINK, which designates that your signature must include at least one link to your user page, your user talk page (here), or your contributions page. Go to the Preferences page and edit your signature so that it includes at least one link to those pages, or simply blank the "Signature" text box and uncheck "Treat the above as wiki markup", which makes your signature use the default configuration. Nardog (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question on my talk page, I think the tags on Greek-related articles are asking for English pronunciations, which are usually based on the traditional English pronunciation of Latin but are quite unpredictable. So do not guess the English pronunciation from the Greek pronunciation or spelling or from the English pronunciation of other Greek words, and add a transcription only if a dictionary (Merriam-Webster, Oxford, Collins, Random House, American Heritage, etc.) has an English pronunciation of the word. Nardog (talk) 19:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, Im so sorry, I really just want to help out. I still have a long ways to go with phonetics and I am learning everyday. I hope that my edits are considered good faith, because i have no intention of vandalizing wikipedia. or false information. is this correct for a signature? MacySinrich (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How are you inserting your signature? Just type four tildes at the end of a message, which will automatically turn into a dated signature when you save the page. Nardog (talk) 20:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I still have a hard time understanding signatures, So, I just copied and pasted. Macy 20:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Macy, as you can see below, your edits have already gained admin attention. It's very simple: don't abuse WP as a practice ground. Even done in good faith, after all the warnings and advice given by us, your trial-and-error edits are disruptive, and you should stop with them immediately. Only add pronunciations from a reliable source. –Austronesier (talk) 20:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no ɻ̊ in Gwich'in. Nor is there Macy 02:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there is. I've already told you to take a look at the initial pages of the source. Repeating "there's no such sound in that language" is a bit disrespectful to my time. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IIm sorry, I should have been more receptive to you and the source, I'm sorry for being disrespectful. Macy 13:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciations?

Where are you getting all these pronuciations? What is the source you are using? Paul August ☎ 18:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The language specific keys, Help:IPA/ to be specific. - Macy

Those are not sources (which is a term that has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia; see WP:Reliable sources), but mere guides for readers to figure out what each symbol used in a transcription means and for editors who are trying to transcribe a word they already know the pronunciation of to figure out what symbols to use. Languages with phonemic orthographies like Polish, Hungarian and Ancient Greek can be transcribed by simply looking at the keys (but even then there's no guarantee that a word in such a language strictly follows the orthographic conventions—someone from Poland but of German descent, for example, likely has a name spelled like German but pronounced with Polish sounds approximating the German pronunciation), but when it comes to languages with less phonemic orthographies, including Modern Greek, a transcription cannot be kept without citing an external reliable source such as a dictionary whenever called into question (see WP:BURDEN). Nardog (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Paul August ☎ 01:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So these articles give references to which a certain sound was made, yet when looking through them, they do not list that phoneme. Macy 04:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC):

1, 3 and 5 are certainly discussed in the sources. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can't rely on pronunciation "rules" as sources for how individual words are pronounced, since these rules are not always followed. What you need is a source, like a dictionary entry, for the word in question, which says how to pronounce it. Paul August ☎ 11:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

' For the phonemes in question, and others. The sources whence they came from, have no indication of them existing in the language. For instance, the phonemes, [ɻ̊], [ʎ̝], [ɺ], [ɭ], [ɽ̊] Are listed to occur in Gwich'in, Jebero, Kasua, Mapadugun, Dhivehi. Now when looking up the words in dictionaries or using the source provided for those phonemes, there was no example of a pronunciation, or a phoneme listed. Macy 15:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Jebero, on page 101, Valenzuela & Gussenhoven say that "/ʎ/, but not /ð̞/, is occasionally produced with light lateral friction".

Regarding Mapudungun, on page 90, Sadowsky et al. say that "In three of the nine speakers in our sample, /ʐ/ is most frequently a retroflex lateral [ɭ] (/ˈmɐʐɐ/ 'hare' > [ˈmɐ̝ɭɜ])." What's not clear about those quotes? Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about in Gwich'in, Kasua, and Dhivehi, Macy 20:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Same thing, I've just checked. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 20:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it mention them, Im asking for specificity. Macy 20:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

You can't get more specific than the exact page number, which is already listed in two cases. In one case where it's not, the information is somewhere at the very beginning of the book. You gotta do the research yourself before asking for help. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But, in any case, none of these sources would be sufficient for as sources for how a specific word is pronounced. Paul August ☎ 13:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made several mistakes stating how certain phonemes didn't occur in certain languages, and denied the existence of these phonemes. Disrespecting the time of [User:Kbb2|Kbb2]

Those articles about specific phonetic sounds list occurrences of phones, not phonemes. Phonemes, often represented in /slashes/, are abstract categories of sounds deduced from their distribution within a language, and are not by themselves sounds. Nardog (talk) 02:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your editing

Looking at the warnings above, and reverting you on this, I really can't see why you are still allowed to edit. It is very clear to me that you need an indefinite block.

Pinging admins ST47 and NinjaRobotPirate for their thoughts since they have commented above.

No need for anyone to ping me to this section. I'll check back. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 18:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I imagine there's a very interesting rationale for that edit. I can't wait to hear it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no rationale for that edit of vandalization. My rationale for this is completely innapropriate to say, so I accept full responsibility for my actions. I have been causing quite a ruckus from my edits and I understand whatever consequences I get. I really want to be a part and contribute to this wiki. But my actions are all my own and I stand by the fact that I made a very poor judgment call. Macy 00:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you saying your edit was an act of intentional vandalism? Paul August ☎ 00:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, absolutely not. Macy 16:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, but above you seem to refer to your edit as "that edit of vandalization". Is English not your first language? Paul August ☎ 17:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

English is L2 but I am fluent in it. It was a grammatical err on my part. The edit itself was of unintentional vandalism. Macy 17:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

No! You are clearly not fluent in English. Vandalism is by definition intentional. Since English is not your first language you should should probably not be editing the English Wikipedia. Paul August ☎ 18:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The editor needs to be blocked on the spot. WP:Competence isn't a policy or guideline, but admins block on that basis all the time. WP:ANI is the other option, but I don't feel like reporting the editor there. If I do, it will be short, pretty much repeating what I stated above and pointing to this section. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul August: See WP:CIRNOT. Many non-native English speakers make significant contributions to the English Wikipedia, and just because someone is not fluent in English doesn't mean there are no areas of the project they can work on improving. There are many problems I find in Macy's edits, but her English proficiency is, per se, not one of them. Nardog (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nardog: Well yes, I wrote too hurriedly above. Certainly being a native speaker, or even being fluent, is not required by policy. But if one is not a native speaker, then one needs to be especially careful, and recognize that you probably don't know what you don't know. For example, I suspect that the edit in question here—changing "asexual" to "bisexual"—has to due with MacySinrich thinking that they knew the meaning of these words when they didn't. And when one's language skill falls below a certain level, then one should consider whether one's editorial time might be better spent on another language's Wikipedia. Given the language problems I've seen, I think that might be the case here. Paul August ☎ 15:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you recognizing this. However, my preferred pronouns are She/Her. I apologize if this seems inappropriate but that is how I want to be addressed as. Macy 10:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see you had updated your preference. Not inappropriate at all, I apologize for not using the correct one. Nardog (talk) 10:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I misspoke, I speak Tlingit and English. It wasn't vandalism, but I don't know how to define an unintentional act that should never have been published. I made a huge mistake and I thought that a completely incorrect addition or rather, reduction of certain information on the wiki violated WP:N. Therefore constituting an act of vandalism. My wikipedia vocabulary is lacking. Macy 20:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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 ::The editor needs to be blocked on the spot. [[WP:Competence]] isn't a policy or guideline, but admins block on that basis all the time. [[WP:ANI]] is the other option, but I don't feel like reporting the editor there. If I do, it will be short, pretty much repeating what I stated above and pointing to this section. [[User:Flyer22 Frozen|Flyer22 Frozen]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Frozen|talk]]) 19:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 ::{{re|Paul August}} See [[WP:CIRNOT]]. Many non-native English speakers make significant contributions to the English Wikipedia, and just because someone is not fluent in English doesn't mean there are no areas of the project they can work on improving. There are many problems I find in Macy's edits, but her English proficiency is, per se, not one of them. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 08:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::{{Yo|Nardog}} Well yes, I wrote too hurriedly above. Certainly being a native speaker, or even being fluent, is not ''required'' by policy. But if one is not a native speaker, then one needs to be ''especially careful'', and recognize that you probably don't know what you don't know. For example, I suspect that the edit in question here&mdash;changing "asexual" to "bisexual"&mdash;has to due with MacySinrich thinking that they knew the meaning of these words when they didn't. And when one's language skill falls below a certain level, then one should ''consider'' whether one's editorial time might be better spent on another language's Wikipedia. Given the language problems I've seen, I think that ''might'' be the case here. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 I appreciate you recognizing this. However, my preferred pronouns are She/Her. I apologize if this seems inappropriate but that is how I want to be addressed as. Macy 10:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 :Oh, I didn't see you had updated your preference. Not inappropriate at all, I apologize for not using the correct one. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 10:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)