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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4 D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And all I got was a ^^^

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda!

El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have

Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C!

Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!

It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.

PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's February corner

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!

El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.

Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, ~~BWV 1 and~~ BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merchandise giveaway nomination

A token of thanks

Hi El C! I've nominated you (along with all other active admins) to receive a solstice season gift from the WMF. Talk page stalkers are invited to comment at the nomination. Enjoy! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk ~~~~~

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Sdkb, thanks for listhinking of me, but I prefer not to participate in any giveaways. Yours, El_C 10:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year!

Wish the best to you and yours El C. Another year of mistakenly thinking it’s still 2021 :) Kind regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, same to you. Yeah, I hear that's going around: User_talk:Valereee#What_year_is_this_again? El_C 12:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The RfPP, on Garuda Indonesia

Whilst I found it a little frustrating at the time to be having to explain what felt like e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g to you, I am quite glad that you did actually question it like that. Some admins are quite quick to protect pages, others can be quick to deny protection, not so many will ask questions, as you do. By asking those questions, you actually made me think twice about it, and allowed me to see, that maybe, it might be best to wait and see whether it would actually be best to protect those pages. So thank you, very much. Mako001 (C) (T) _{^{(The Alternate Mako)}} 15:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mako001, I appreciate that.

It's a common occurrence, btw, for users to post protection requests whose investigations are more akin to ANI/SPI reports. RfPP is fast-paced place. I often go through tens of requests there daily, but if I had to take, like, say, 30 minutes to investigate a single request, it might mean that many other requests would be significantly delayed. Thanks again! El_C 15:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths in 2022

Thank you for adding the protection to this article. Best wishes for the New Year. Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Ref. Glad I could help. And thanks, Happy New Year to you as well. El_C 17:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About Gen. Angus Cambell, and that "nickname"...

Erm, it is likely a highly derogatory reference to the fact that he seems to have nerve issues or something on his face (injury?), which makes his face appear a bit odd when you see him speaking. Have look at a video of him speaking, and you'll see what the "eye" reference is. It makes me tremble with indignation! Mako001 (C) (T) _{^{(The Alternate Mako)}} 12:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, a Dan Crenshaw-like thing, got it. El_C 12:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, all accounts are now indeffed. Mako001 (C) (T) _{^{(The Alternate Mako)}} 12:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question

What exactly do you mean by this? It seemed to me like a pretty redundant comment. --Dragoniez (talk) 12:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't redundant. The Japanese Wikipedia sucks! El_C 12:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's clearly just your personal, biased opinion. Isn't it more ethical to not disclose such thoughts in public, considering the possibility that someone could feel offended by your words, especially when you're an admin? --Dragoniez (talk) 12:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. El_C 12:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dragoniez, I feel fine randomly stating what everybody else knows: the Japanese Wikipedia and its propensity toward revisionist history has been an embarrassment to the movement for too long. As far as I'm concerned, the Foundation should cut its losses and leave it to its own questionable devices. El_C 12:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt if that justifies the act of randomly casting derogatory remarks on alien matters. Your comment just sounded racist to me. I don't know if I'm being fastidious, but if I were you I wouldn't leave such a comment that could bring in unwanted mess like this. I'd still say that it was unnecessary because "page semi-protected" just would've done the job. As someone who's active mainly on jawp, I found your words irritating. --Dragoniez (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't accuse me of racism, Dragoniez. You are no longer welcome here. El_C 13:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, "racist" was probably not a proper choice of word. I just wanted to say that redundant words should just go when they could possibly offend someone, and especially when necessary information can be conveyed without them. That's all I wanted to say. Thanks for your time. --Dragoniez (talk) 15:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dragoniez, the manner in which the Japanese Wikipedia operates offends me. The less I'm reminded of its existence, the better. And, you'd have a leg to stand on if I had used that in a protection summary, etc., but at WP:RFPP/I, really? Have you seen its revision history? In a few days, it'll basically be lost to the ether (or would be barring this Streisand effect of a "Question").

And might I suggest you place more attention as to the reprehensible acts that seem to be routine on the Japanese Wikipedia, rather than be offended when it's called out (in passing or otherwise)? If the German Wikipedia were to engage in even 1/10th of the nefarious activities of the Japanese Wikipedia, the German gov't would shut it down. But the Japanese gov't could care less (or, more likely, tacitly supports the abusive revisionism). There's a reason it's the most reviled language Wikipedia out there. Which, especially in light of its size, is deeply concerning that it is (still) affiliated with the Wikimedia movement. El_C 16:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And of course, I have nothing against Japan or the Japanese. For eg., the last song I featured for 2021 was by Shinichi Osawa (diff). My second song of the Winter (Dec 21) was by Masayoshi Takanaka (diff). Just two recent non-random examples of the top of my head. El_C 16:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if one mere individual like me can do anything that actually changes jawp the way you hope, but I'm going to do what I can do, as I fight vandalism on a daily basis as a rollbacker, if this is what you mean by "nefarious activities". However, I'm concerned about your (presumable) whataboutery or the "he offends me, so I can too!" logic. I apologize that jawp isn't managed the way you hope and feel sorry that this offends you, but I don't believe I personally offended you. Your comment makes it sound (to me) as though I'm not allowed to comment on your words any time when they are related to the Japanese Wikipedia. You probably don't speak ill of the German Wikipedia anywhere, but would you say the same thing as above if someone from dewp tells you that they felt offended by your spontaneous words although you didn't mean it? I'm just saying that that "semi-protection done" report could've been made without complaints about jawp, so I thought you shouldn't have included them in your report and edit summary. Is there anything wrong with NOT doing this? Sorry I wasn't going to take this matter this far, but the "he offends me, so I can too!" logic, I don't believe it's what you usually follow. --Dragoniez (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dragoniez, I wasn't by offended any one person nor have I offended any one person (i.e. singled anyone out). The jawp language project is not a person, so that's a strange strawman to latch onto considering what I actually said. And, no, reverting vandalism, etc., is definitely not what I meant by "nefarious activities." How does that even make sense? There's plenty of vandalism at en and elsewhere. Also, I didn't ask you to do anything, though perhaps following this exchange, you will. But if you do, I'd estimate the chances of getting insta-banned from jawp as exceedingly high.

The Wikipediocracy thread titled "The Japanese Wikipedia" (whose contents were not news to many of us) covers some of the reasons as to why, in my view, the Foundation should sever all ties with the jawp language project (at least until it cleans up its act). But I don't really see that happening any time soon. Here's hoping, though. El_C 17:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This kind of problem unfortunately seems to be common on multiple smaller wikipedias, some of which seem to be completely run by a very small group of long-time editors and sysops. I don't know how we fix this. Maybe we do just need to offload them and tell them to stop using "wikipedia" in their name? —valereee (talk) 19:37, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem tricky. The assessment of Croatian Wikipedia ended up with the primary conclusions of 1) Croatian Wikipedia was biased, and 2) the way to solve this is to combine it with Serbian Wikipedia. That is not a scaleable solution. CMD (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About a user.

A user called 161.29.155.58 has been vandalizing other pages the wiki lately. Please block them if you see any fit. Proof here Bonthefox3 (talk) 14:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonthefox3, there's only 4 edits in total, so it's expected that the user be warned before any action is taken. I have done this. El_C 14:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Bonthefox3 (talk) 04:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"mini-PD"

Noticed your question in the arbitration case request, and I'm nearly certain this is supposed to mean "miniature Proposed Decision". ShashakiroSH (talk) 14:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's goes my dream of a miniature police dept. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 15:23, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was a tiny proctological doctor, which to be fair, is the best type. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Get your mind out of the g

El_C 15:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really fault you for finding my account "weird" and from various discussions I've read I have a feeling that the reason you linked my contribs is that you suspect this isn't my first account; perhaps I'd be better off saying nothing, but I'd like to state for the record that this is indeed my first and only account and that this is in fact my 8th edit to Wikipedia ever, though I have in the past done editing on other (mostly video-game-specific) wikis. ShashakiroSH (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prediction: your favourite video game character of all time is Van Van the Man Man. El_C 16:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with that one. Is this a play on my username having "shasha" in it? If it's something else it's flown rather entirely over my head, I'm afraid. If so...then all I can say is...ha ha. ShashakiroSH (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And if you gaze into the maze, the maze gazes also into you... El_C 18:37, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Missed comedy opportunity, so sad. El_C 13:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misinformation and Propaganda

Please stop spreading misinformation and thoroughly do your research. Are you funded by Johnson &Johnson or Bill Gates? Look into the history of lawsuits in big Pharma specifically Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and Bill Gates. 73.244.202.216 (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They're actually funded entirely by me. I had to get a second job to afford it, as there's not as much money in Wikipedia editing as you'd think. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, it’s all true. But I hear Big Pharma is demanding a refund. DeCausa (talk) 19:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wooo, I did it! The V-Bucks are mine! El_C 20:59, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was told payment would be made in C-bills. My Pfizer Vaccinator mech needs repairs, so I need payment toot sweet. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Hunter Redistricting

Hello, I noticed that this page received the protection requested, thank you. I also noticed that the user making reverts without explanation Snooganssnoogans was allowed to do so since the protection. What is the process for requesting admin support for the issue? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EaziGH (talk • contribs) 19:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what issue you refer to, EaziGH. The page was WP:SEMI-protected, so users who have the WP:CONFIRM'ed user right can edit the page. The protection was logged as WP:AP2 (here). El_C 21:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok that makes sense, thanks! EaziGH (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help!

Hi User:El_C do you mind if I can come to you and take some editorial as well as operational advise from time to time? RPSkokie (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it's urgent, sure. But otherwise, I'd rather you seek assistance in public venues rather than here tbh. See also: {{help}} and {{admin help}}. Best, El_C 13:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C Sure. If I get struck somewhere only then I will ping... at the page where the issue is there. On other small matters, I will go through necessary documents and WP:TEA. Thank you again RPSkokie (talk) 13:25, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How we will see unregistered users

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18:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Lies, damn lies, and statistics

Ask not what you can do for the numbers, but what can the number do for you! Jehochman ^Talk 06:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AE cases 2020

Are you really gonna make me go through all the 2020 cases too [3]? Are you willing to be swayed by whatever I find (honestly I have only a very vague idea). Volunteer Marek 06:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't intend of making you do anything, Volunteer Marek. El_C 06:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

VM, if you are bothered by a large quantity of data, you can take a random sample, say three months, calculate your statistic and then multiply by 4. Here are three random months: Feb, Jun, Dec. (Google has a random number feature.) I’m not asking you do to anything either. This response is merely informative. Jehochman ^Talk 07:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jehochman, no, that won't work with a small sample size. If you have N=173 say, and only 3 of those observations are "successes" then your confidence interval will be complete garbage (this can be easily seen by the fact that with those three months you'd get precisely ZERO Poland related requests, and since four*zero is still zero, you would conclude that no one's ever filed a Poland related WP:AE request). You could do a little bit better by using the Wilson score rather than the normal approximation to the Bernoulli distribution (this article is a satisfactory introduction to the issue and I recommend you read it) but with such low numbers (3/170) even that will not help. Volunteer Marek 08:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Smiley with the fact bomb. El_C 07:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

😊 22:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Smiley with the track bomb!

El_C 22:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[4] [5]. Volunteer Marek 08:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Volunteer Marek, you have the habit of just posting links without additional comment on my talk page. I'm letting you know that I don't like it and I wish you wouldn't do that. If you can't be bothered to give even the briefest of summaries, maybe the arbitration request would be a better venue. In any case, your own figures show: 2020 APL = 10/15; 2021 APL = 3/15. El_C 08:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I wrote the summary in the second link. Here is what I wrote:

here's the graph for the number of WP:AE request in 2020 by topic area [24]. In 2020 there were indeed a couple more cases in this topic area. 7 rather than 3. Still that was 7 out of 148 (4.7%). Of these 7, 1 was a topic ban appeal, 2 were filed by User:Francois Robere, 1 was filed by Mymoloboaccount against account that was later blocked for sock puppetry [25], 2 closed with no action (one very minor) and 1, against me, closed with no action and suggestion that the filer be check-user'd.

I don't know what 3/15 and 10/15 mean. The actual number for 2020 is 7. Out of 148.

For 2021 the actual number is 3. Out of 186.

Are you putting the "Poland" ones together with the "EE but not Poland" category? The "EE but not Poland" are pretty much all about Russia-Ukraine, and I think one about Belarus-Lithuania. None of them involve anyone involved in this request for a case in any capacity. Volunteer Marek 08:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

VM, RE: 3/15 vs 10/15. Counting, this is how APL ranks in the graphs you've provided (compared to the other topic areas listed by rank). El_C 08:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Still confused. The "rank" for Poland-related in 2020 is 6th (tied with R&I) out of 15. The rank for Poland-related in 2021 is 13th (looks like 14th but it's tied with Gamergate). But man, did I misspell "politics" really badly. Yikes. Anyway. Falling down in the rankings is a good thing and an improvement, no? That was the whole point. Also, this is a very skewed distribution, which is why it's better to look at share of all cases. The three "big" areas - Israel/Palestine, India/Pakistan, and American Politics - account for 60% of all requests (in both years) and that's what keeps you guys busy. I do wonder if going farther back will also show these 3 areas with that big of a chunk. Volunteer Marek 08:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(oh I see, for 2021 you're counting tied topic areas as a single category. Um... ok.) Volunteer Marek 09:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean um...? I'm counting from least to most. That's how the graphs are structured (i.e. ranked by topic area). I don't understand why you're making it so convoluted. Anyway, is it a good thing? Or does it reveal that editors have found that launching APL requests at AE just isn't worth it? El_C 09:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Well, as long as you're clear on whether it's "leastest" or "mostest" I guess either way is fine. And yes, I think it's a good thing. Is it because "editors have found that launching APL requests at AE just isn't worth it"? No. Because if that were the case you'd see the editors who claim they have been "driven away" filing requests in 2020 but not in 2021. But this isn't what you see there. The cases in 2020 were mostly filed by FR against GCB, but then they got IBAN'd so those stopped. Then another two were filed by Mymoloboaccount. And another one by an account that you recommended get check users. FR/GCB IBAN + 500/30 explains pretty much the whole drop in # of requests. That's it.

Aside from FR not being able to file requests on Gizzy due to IBAN, who do you think is an editor that has found it "just isn't worth it"? I'm not seeing any potential candidates here.

We could go back to 2019. But there you're gonna get like 5 cases PER MONTH from Icewhiz alone (ok, I'm exaggerating slightly. But not much). Volunteer Marek 09:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway. Good night. Volunteer Marek 09:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

VM, sorry, but it feels like you're all over the place. I'm having a hard time following these additional questions and your seemingly shifting analyses. So maybe it'd be best to leave the matter to the arbitration page at this point. It's morning here now btw. And... it looks like I ran out of coffee, so it's sure to be a good one! El_C 09:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me be straight forward - WHO are the editors that you think "found that launching APL requests at AE just isn't worth it"? Specifically? Like, I'd really like to know who exactly was it that got discouraged with WP:AE (apparently because you guys do such a bad job or something - I disagree, at least post 2019). Because... it very much looks like the drop in requests 2019-2021 at WP:AE is simply due to 1) FR getting IBAN'd with GCB so he can't file more AE requests against her and 2) 500/30 kicking in so non-autoconfirmed accounts can't file spurious requests.

There's soooo many "A lot of people are saying" arguments in this case request and almost zero specifics or evidence. Volunteer Marek 22:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. El_C 22:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ping

I’m sorry El C for not pinging there but only typing your name. I don’t know what I was thinking. - GizzyCatBella🍁 08:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Bonus points for the misspeIIing!

El_C 08:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

😀 👍 - GizzyCatBella🍁 08:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Dannylim02 user block

FYI, IC = Identity Card. Referring to some allegations raised last year. – robertsky (talk) 21:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Malaysian identity card, I guess that makes sense. El_C 21:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Never got an answer to my ICC query btw (what, related'y!). El_C 21:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

that's a head-scratcher. – robertsky (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Couple quick revdels

Special:Contributions/DocMikeNYC, I wouldn't normally care, but there's a phone number included, and it's in one edit summary. Can you zap these, please? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:31, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taken care of by Euryalus. Thanks, Euryalus! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries -- Euryalus (talk) 13:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022!

January songs
in friendship

Happy new year, in friendship! - Today seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, same (on all fronts, especially a train in Bavaria). Also, getting flashes of the Tower of Babel with this Tower of Falafel. Hopefully, it doesn't signal that the end is nigh! El_C 23:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and the tower seemed not dangerous. Snow was today just as pictured, imagine. - I decided to try the following routine: on Saturdays, I upgrade a psalm, and if nothing special is needed for some context, I go from the beginning, which is Psalm 3 today, and 4 next week. Today's at St. Martin was Psalm 29, the last one in 2021 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you so much for the nature pics! I will look, but am a bit busy today. - In case of interest, yesterday's snow and today's music in memory of Jerome Kohl --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

update, and can you please help Psalm 3 to Hebrew text? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Wait, Gran Canaria-what? El_C 00:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

on vacation where WÜ troubles seems to be so far away ;) - thanks for psalm singing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vacation COVID travel? Did you, like, teleport? I hear you about the Wuxia, though — Zu Warriors from the Magic Mountain all the way! El_C 10:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mountains! I quote Psalm 121 today ;) - On yesterday's hike to moutains, there were 7 other people, in open air. - Today: Psalm 4, and if you still don't want to add to the article directly, you could overwrite 3 on the QAI talk which I took with thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Psalm 4? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At your command! El_C 11:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

... has a lovely last line, thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft to Mainspace

Hello El C I hope you're doing well. Could you please look into the Draft:Dhadkan Zindaggi Kii. Am I allowed to move it in mainspace, so the article get exposure (page views) and other hindi editors can offer their help. And then may be any new page reviewers the article. Thanks, will wait for your response. --C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 16:33, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) C1K98V, I am one of the many AfC reviewers. At the present state, it may not pass the WP:NFILM guidelines, and the article may be sent to AfD for a deletion discussion or get bumped back into Draftspace, which defeats the purpose of getting exposure. – robertsky (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

C1K98V, what robertsky said. Pretty much the whole point of a WP:DRAFT is that the folks at WP:AFC can then evaluate it and offer suggestions for improvement. El_C 23:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: I agree, what afc said. But you should also agree their are many articles which doesn't have that much exposure in the media but they are live in the mainspace. Robertsky, The AFC reviewer should not evaluate on Film criteria, it is not a film, so it should fail, WP:NFILM. It's a finite television series, with 65 episode. It is a spin-off of 2002 Dhadkan (TV series) of the same channel. If finite television series are evaluated based on film criteria, then I'm sorry. What I meant of exposure is, if the draft is moved to mainspace then all the editor who has been supporting Indian television related articles will be aware of this on-going series. They may offer their help, as it's is now restricted due to page views, or due to "Draft". If the article is live, may be the article get's attention from IP editor as well. I'm okay with AFD, PROD. Whenever a article get listed their, then discussion happen, due to exposure editor tries changes to save it. But just to save the time of AfD or PROD, it should be in draft, okay then. Thank you for the valuable suggestions. Stay safe and Happy New Year to both of you --C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 02:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

C1K98V, even if it is evaluated on the broader WP:GNG, I may still not accept the article despite the number of references in the article. Most of the articles are interviews of the actors involved in the production, potentially crossing into primary sources. The sources also do not talk about the series, but the actors' acting experiences. What is needed are sources about the notability of the series itself, and that's not there. This is crystalised in WP:NFILM, for unreleased films: production details; for recently released films: reception to the film, usually in form of published articles by nationally recognised critics; for historical works: rereleases or fresher (>5 years from initial broadcast) articles about the film. For this draft, it was written after the show was aired, therefore is being evaluated as recently released films. There was a recent proposal to make Wikipedia:Notability (television) a subject notability guideline, but failed. Until the essay is furtther worked on and accepted as a guideline, the next best set of guidelines that has some specificity on the general notability guidelines that we can give people as advice on it is NFILM.

For a well-received (or notorious) television series, I am sure it should have reviews from reliable critics/sources. That's what this article is lacking. There is even an empty section titled 'Reception' in the draft.

As for the exposure, navigating to the Dhadkan Zindaggi Kii article in the mainspace, it shows a huge red banner right at the top indicating that there is a draft in the draftspace and linked as well. If there are any interested/driven editors, be it registered or IP editors, they know where to go to edit. As for their are many articles which doesn't have that much exposure in the media but they are live in the mainspace, see WP:WHATABOUTX. – robertsky (talk) 10:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Renewed behavior you had already warned against in a previous case

Hi El C, I was previously involved in an ANI case that you were heavily involved with in late July of last year. It involved the user tgeorgescu (I know I have to ping them if it was a current ANI case, I didn't see anything stating that I have to do the same on a Talk Page discussion regarding them, so I am currently not in order to avoid having this devolve into what their previous interactions with me did. If that is incorrect and I do need to ping them here, just let me know.) and how they responded to me personally regarding changes on the article for Prosperity Theology. You warned them for their misuse of warning templates on my talk page as well as their personal attacks towards me, in both the talk section as well as in the ANI. After the ANI ended, that talk section was closed by another user, and we were told to open up a new one to discuss the proposed changes. I did [so], and nobody added anything new. So, after a month of nothing being brought up there, I made the proposed changes on August 31.

When I came back yesterday, I discovered that Tgeorgescu had returned in November to revert the changes, falsely claiming that nobody agreed with me that the sentences in question had issues. He also made statements on November 2 and December 3 in the second linked talk section claiming that nobody agreed with me, that your opinion in the case was incorrect, and that I didn't understand how academics work. This included behavior that he was previously warned for, so I simply undid his revision of my changes in August, and noted that he was previously warned for this behavior, and that as such his revision was vandalism. I awoke today to find that he had undone that reversion, [posted personal attacks towards me] on the talk section that were in the same vein of argument he had already been told to stop, and hit my [personal talk page] with multiple new warning notices. I was advised in that ANI to not fight fire with fire, so I have not personally responded to Tgeorgescu doing any of these things to me. Instead, I figured it might be helpful to bring this to your attention, since you were already previously involved in the case and it directly concerns things you had already warned Tgeorgescu for. If I need to open a new ANI for this, let me know, I assumed since it was directly about stuff that had been discussed in the previous one and the statements you and other admins made there, I could just contact one of those admins instead. MojaveSummit (talk) 18:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MojaveSummit: From Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1074#BLP violations about Mark Skousen the straightforward conclusion is that you have misread the sources given. El C too hastily agreed with your reading, but that has also been shown there to be a misreading, by other editors than me.

The gist: no other editor agrees with you that my edit is POV. If you disagree, name that editor and present the evidence for your claims (i.e. diffs). tgeorgescu (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MojaveSummit, yeah, you should probably take it to ANI. I don't really remember the incident and your report above is too lengthy, and you fail to use WP:DIFFs, brief quotes and summaries. It's too much material for me to review that way. Personally, I'd need to have the evidence spoon-fed to me, cogently, concisely and intelligibly. Good luck. El_C 19:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El C Can you at least do something about the fact that tgeorgescu hit me with multiple warnings again as a form of harassment (which he was already warned for doing) and made new personal attacks (while trying to misuse threats of disciplinary action) that are in the exact same vein he was already told by multiple admins to stop, such as "If you do have any evidence, speak now or forever hold your peace. If you don't have evidence, just hold your peace. I'm a newbie, so don't ask me to produce evidence for my claims worked till 31 December 2021. Now, you have to produce evidence for your claims, or next step is WP:ANI for lacking WP:CIR. My advice for you is working upon your reading with comprehension ability, since it seems to be subpar the way you interpret the sources you have provided till now. Really, you're a champ at misreading sources." MojaveSummit (talk) 19:11, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, let me state the facts: you have misread the sources, and I'm the one guilty for your misreading? I call a spade a spade, I call a misreading a misreading. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MojaveSummit, I don't know what you want me to do. I'm not gonna sanction over some warnings or for an acerbic tone. I may not like seeing them, but I rarely if ever tone police. I'm just not into that. It really has to be egregious for me to act, especially when I'm relatively pressed for time, which I am presently. Again, a public venue might work better for you in this instance. El_C 19:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

tgeorgescu , please, this is not helping. El_C 19:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El CSimple, I want you to prevent them from doing to me any further what you already warned them for doing. I'd really prefer to not have to go through another lengthy ANI with tgeorgescu and put up with all his abuse and harassment again. It's a straightforward case: is tgeorgescu doing the same things to me and that article that he was already warned by you and other admins to stop? Yes, he clearly is. MojaveSummit (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MojaveSummit, well, it isn't straight forward to me. Again, too much time has passed so I no longer have a firm recollection of the incident. You haven't shown any actual WP:HARASSMENT. That I would act on and would prioritize, but it would need to be proven as such (again, the trifecta: diffs/quotes/summaries). El_C 19:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El C I'm not very good with diffs yet, but if you can tell me exactly what it is in simple terms that you want me to provide, I'll do that. For example, if you want exact quotes from the ANI and then show what tgeorgescu has done since as evidence of harassment that he was warned against, I can do that here. MojaveSummit (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They equate criticism and demanding evidence for their claims with WP:HARASSMENT. One warning was for deleting text (levels 1 and 2 don't apply, since they ask them to give a reason for deletion, which they did). The other warning was for calling my edits vandalistic revision by this user. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MojaveSummit, again, the documentation is available at WP:DIFF, so please acquaint yourself with it. And again again, any claim of harassment stemming from the latest incident would require proof. El_C 19:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El C While I was collecting and aggregating a bunch of diffs and quotes and writing it all up as to why I feel that tgeorgescu is currently engaged in harassment that he was previously warned about, he created an ANI case against me at WP:ANI#MojaveSummit_equates_demanding_evidence_with_harassment. So I guess any further involvement will have to occur there. MojaveSummit (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MojaveSummit, I see. Well, a brief report it is not (either). Oh well. Anyway, I hope it ends up working out amicably, as unlikely as it might seem now. El_C 20:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess walls of text are the order of the day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 21:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El_C Thank you for the input on the sockpuppet accusation. I awoke to find both the accusation and that you had already helped resolve it. I do consider that filing to be harassment towards me, so thank you for pointing that out and quickly getting that resolved. MojaveSummit (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Just wanted to report that your semi-protection of Talk:Synthesia seems to have worked. There was a brief period of vandalism on the article itself, but it's stopped for now. Anyways, here's a barnstar. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 18:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I dream of horses. Glad I was able to help.

El_C 01:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tweety talk page

I have stuck in an argument on the Talk:Tweety page for quite a while now, with IP editors who think Jeff Bergman is still voicing Daffy Duck and Tweety (alternating with Eric Bauza and Bob Bergen) even though he hasn’t reportedly done so since 2018, before Bauza took over both roles and Bergen took the latter role once again in Space Jam: A New Legacy, which came out months ago. And not only do these editors seem too sure of themselves, but they insult me for arguing back. I hope you can straighten this out. Thank you. Brian K. Tyler (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't listen to Brian K. Tyler he has not responding my question or answer about bringing back present back for Tweety and Daffy Duck. That's why my Sources and researched are telling me that Jeff Bergman is still voicing Tweety and Daffy Duck alternating with Bob Bergen and Eric Bauza for productions and projects it was not before or after Looney Tunes Cartoons and Space Jam a New legacy premiered, it was not after the year 2018 or since 2018, it was not the attraction Warner Bros. WORLD Abu Dhabi of 2018, I am saying That Jeff Bergman is one of official and current voice of Tweety and Daffy Duck alternating with Bob Bergen and Eric Bauza for productions and projects. I think we should stick with three main current voice actors for Tweety Jeff Bergman Bob Bergen and Eric Bauza for productions and projects So that alternating between three voice actors should be enough and Two Main current voice actors for Daffy Duck Jeff Bergman and Eric Bauza for productions and projects So that alternating between Two Voice Actors should be enough. El C I want you and EvergreenFir to Blocked Brian K. Tyler from Wikipedia for being a complete liar and a error. El C and EvergreenFir I want you to revert back to present for Tweety and Daffy Duck. 161 .97.247.18 and myself are just trying to help you to understand to this problem with Brian K. Tyler is insulting us for not responding my question or answer about bringing back present back for Tweety and Daffy Duck. I hope you can fix this problem and straighten this out Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.251.223 (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Brian K. Tyler and IP. Sorry, I'm a bit pressed for time. Best to ask for a Third opinion or raise the matter at the Reliable sources noticeboard. Those seem like the two best options to clear this up. HTH. El_C 01:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My block has expired

@El C:, as suggested by @PaleoNeonate:, I am discussing the issue at your talk page.

@Valereee: I am no longer blocked, so you would be no longer proxying for a blocked user.

Tell me that I'm wrong about the misreadings and I'll drop the stick.

Tell me that I'm wrong that they have a WP:CONSENSUS of a single user (no one but themself) and I'll bury the hatchet.

Past July, the issue was all about Mark Skousen. Now, in January, it is no longer about him. Why is that?

It is very easy to sabotage an article when only one experienced Wikipedian cares about it. If I will remain alone, I'm very easy to be defeated.

My opponent doesn't want to talk to me, but they will surely talk to GenoV84 or to you.

@El C: at any time I tell a lie, or make an unsubstantiated claim, you may tell me This is bullshit! That spares much time and drama. Much, much simpler than the drama boards. tgeorgescu (talk) 09:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at the SPI. Please respond there and there only. I do not want to split the discussion at this time. But the short of it is, yes, this is bullshit. El_C 13:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tgeorgescu, I'll answer at your talk. valereee (talk) 13:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With all your experience, maybe you can figure this out

In Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Secret of the Ooze, I understand that Shredder drinks a the ooze to mutate into super Shredder, but what makes his armor mutate? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No more plot spoilers! I haven’t seen it yet. Jehochman ^Talk 12:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This better not be some weird pr0n, ScottishFinnishRadish!

El_C 13:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help with a new(ish) editor

It's been awhile El C. I noticed you closed Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#WP:FOLLOWING this ANI awhile back, and was wondering if you could maybe give a little guidance to Invasive Spices?

The backstory is that I saw them when they first started editing and saw they were really prolific in agriculture topics and overall a net positive to the point I nominated them for Editor of the Week. In short, someone I want to see do well here. When they got into a few tougher subjects like secondary science sources, MEDRS, etc. I tried to mentor them a little bit] in those topics. They have some things they disagreed with, some community norms, others just individual editor disputes, but I've been seeing much more a tone lately from them like in that ANI like this directed at me. I can only think of one or two other times I've seen an editor jump that quickly from friendly to combative.

It seems like they're lashing out more at people that they have minor content disputes with, and I'm frankly at a loss to how they're reacting to so many of our calm and pretty easy to work with editors. I don't want to see them go down the route of someday being blocked for not being able to collaborate, so I was wondering if you'd be able to give them a little advice from the admin perspective here or elsewhere? Thanks. KoA (talk) 01:15, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, KoA, I'm just too busy for the next little while to take on any additional anything. Regards, El_C 10:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move Finnish title to redirect, English title to main

Hi, I was hoping that you could move Oma maa for me to My Own Land and make the former the redirect. (You did something similar for me a few months ago with The Maiden in the Tower. Thanks! Warmly, Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Silence of Järvenpää. You can make requests like that at WP:RMT if uncontroversial or WP:RM if potentially so. Regards, El_C 03:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Collapseses

Did you know, I created {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}. [6] They've been transcluded 46,675 times. Jehochman ^Talk 00:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then you are my sworn enemy. Every time I try to use those templates I fuck up the arbcom case page or something. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

YES! That's what they are designed to do! Jehochman ^Talk 00:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consider yourself on notice. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.
Thanks. Firefangledfeathers 02:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The worse thing about Wikipedia the MMO — you cannot pet the dog. :( El_C 03:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get so mad when I can't pet the dog, it makes me want to mount the fungus cake. Firefangledfeathers 03:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there is a guide on how to do it in a few simple steps. Or, speedrun strat: just throw beer at Faramir (as one does). And there, you've beaten the system and are a legend. El_C 12:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ARCA improvements

As a follow-up to my message in July 2021, the index for clarification and amendment requests is completed. Also there is now a centralised archive of requests (archive subpages of WP:ARCA) which is searchable. The search box is at WP:ARCA. There will possibly be further improvements to how archived ARCAs are linked, but these two are what I remember you asking for. Happy editing and mopping, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 00:47, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, searchable archive is glued, but when will I reach the Promised Land? Oh well, a man can RNG-dream... El_C 10:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Something odd

It appears a new user(et.al.) has decided to remove referenced information from Battle of Montgisard.[7][8][9] Would you be inclined to keeping an eye on it, since none of these editor(?s?) have chosen to use the article talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Sorry, I'm not really around right now to do that. Regards, El_C 10:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question.

Hi El C, hope you're doing well. I had a question about a recent Move closure, please see Talk:2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_ceasefire_agreement#Merging Zangezur Corridor into Aftermath of the agreement. The closer, Brandmeister, clearly has a preference to one of the options. They opposed the vote and called other side comments "ridiculous". Do you think it was appropriate for them to close that merger as an involved party and with clear preference to one side? Also, I believe the Support side had the stronger case even tho the votes were a tie, but what do I know, I don't get anything recently on Wikipedia.

I commented in their talk page as well, but I also wanted to hear an admin opinion. Thanks in advance. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overturned, re-opened. Logged at Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2022#Armenia-Azerbaijan_2. Sorry, I don't really have time to follow up beyond that. HTH. El_C 14:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I may or may not be graceful

... but at least I know how to add a link to Wikidata.

Sorry, couldn't help but snoop into your hewiki contribs. For what it's worth, Wikipedia:Wikidata § New articles does a pretty good job explaining how to add a link for a new article. Or just ping me. Wikidata may have desysopped me (you see, there they have a real inactivity policy that you can't get around with an annual post to BN—ducks for cover), but I do still know which buttons to press.

/lh <3 -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch, this unexpected L is too great to bear, so I will see you in another 9 years (what, single digits). But, no, I do not contribute to Wikidata out of purely non-laziness principles — The Client List (TV series) wasn't about pr0n, she was a pimp! El_C 05:38, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El_C – TZ 1. I'll catch up yet... And I'm sure ScottishFinnishRadish will be pleased when I do. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This does please me. Remember what is best in life, to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the admins! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 07:21, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but the L train is now at capacity. Y'all need to stop complaining about the Hood. Ain't nothing wrong with the Hood. El_C 09:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For continuing to ~~put up with~~ diligently and patiently preside over the disputes within WP:AA2. Jr8825 • Talk 16:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Jr8825, appreciate it.

El_C 17:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some thoughts

Hi again El C, hope you're well. I wanted to comment and elaborate on your right to silence remark. I didn't want to do it in the article's talk page, I think it's irrelevant there, and apologies if this may seem long, I just have some links taking too much space.

Where do I start... The amount of sheer unexplained POV comments, actions, edits, etc. I had to deal with in AA this week is frankly unbelievable. You say "right to silence", fine. I don't know if you know this, but the closer was (is?) actually Grandmaster's long time colleague from ru-wiki, and they along with 24 other Azerbaijani editors have been blocked for large scale off-wiki meatpuppetry collaboration, see ru-wiki ArbCom case of 2010, Grandmaster / Brandmeister.

All of these "coincidences", Grandmaster choosing to stay silent while his compatriot and past (maybe present?) meat-colleague inappropriately closes this merger, then he momentarily appears, "suggesting an RfC" when the inappropriate closure was overturned. This is just extremely shady imo. Why do I think that? It's not just because of today. We had a discussion in List of Mosques in Armenia article. I think the third opinion present in that discussion would do a better job of explaining its contents, courtesy pinging LouisAragon. Long story short, after relatively short debate in these couple of days and Grandmaster's undue quote and clear POV (more, "+ref" btw) being removed from the article per majority sources, it being clearly UNDUE, and per talk consensus, an editor who hasn't touched that article in like... ever, made two edits just today. Can you guess who it was? Do you think these are just honest coincidences, someone "staying silent" because they have the "right"? To be honest, I would agree with you most of the time, but this isn't the case imo. This is AA, and unfortunately, it leaves much to be desired. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ZaniGiovanni, this is too much for me to digest right now. I feel like you're asking too much of me at this point. I don't have the time to review reports of that nature atm. And I don't want my talk page to be used as a repository for links. El_C 23:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is apparently an ANI case concerning involved users, unrelated to the closure. I may comment there. But if I'm being honest, I had too much of AA at this point. Just wanted to provide some context. Take care, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 23:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For tireless, impartial, decisive assistance in WP:AA2 disputes. --Armatura (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

--Armatura (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words, Armatura. That means a lot.

El_C 09:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics:

(Intro)

Somehow I found myself here today

Awakened to these thoughts and feelings

Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming?

A strange sort of spherical sensation

With an overwhelming sense of apprehension

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

So far beyond our reach

Where consciousness coalesces

Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds

The streaming runs of thought goes

'Round and 'round and 'round

Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down

And the earth bows down in reverence

Lest it should be torn to pieces

And blown into oblivi-essence

And all who live will run and hide

And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time

Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of

One's own mind

But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge

Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind

You'll find that everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

(Verse one)

Open up

Your hearts and minds

'Cause I remember

Nothing

One day now

It all falls down

But love must keep on

Loving

So start the show

Here we go

(Chorus)

Dark to light

The day from night

A roll of a mountain

A rip in the sky

Turning the dust to flesh

And ashes to breath

A pull of a muscle

A pin in the eye

An initial spark

To get this heart of mine pumping

And another

To get these feet of mine running

But sadly they've just taken me

To a place

Where all is devoid

Of your embrace

So baby now we're falling

Baby now you're falling

Baby yeah, yeah

Baby now we're falling, baby yeah

Tripping and tumbling

Flipping and fumbling

Flowing on the rivers of sadness

That have been forever rumbling

But from dawn until now

Of all the paths that I could have gone down

Of all the valleys

That I could have been flowing through

In spite of all the chaos

And all that has come between us

How is it I still find myself

Here with you

(Outro)

So somehow we find ourselves here today

A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming

A strange sort of spherical sensation

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

And all of us, we run and hide

Do what we've done since the dawn of time

Peering out through the beating rain

The pounding wind

Everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}[reply]

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dodole — El_C 16:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sacred Moment → Ammonia Clouds — El_C 11:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enemy (guitar heavy) — El_C 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After You — El_C 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Estate — El_C 11:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prelude → Victory Fanfare (Evil Needle X OriJanus Remix) — El_C 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Nights

Winter Nights (full album): Greensleeves → Inverno — El_C 05:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ready To Fly — El_C 13:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy — El_C 05:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy — El_C 20:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've Been Loving You — El_C 21:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lupin — El_C 02:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Une Sulased → Kiik Tahab Kindaid — El_C 18:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Star Spangled Banner — El_C 00:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderland — El_C 10:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Souffles H (Souffle Your Wig) — El_C 17:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2 Hearts Together (Absolute Contrast) — El_C 10:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Este Amor — El_C 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Samba De Luar — El_C 11:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can't Hide Love — El_C 03:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice & Slow — El_C 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Living For The Night — El_C 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In The Morning — El_C 06:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nos Vida — El_C 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One Dream — El_C 12:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Central Boogie — El_C 22:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Mercy → Instrumental — El_C 01:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delight → Slow Down El_C 05:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Head Over Heels → Sowing the Seeds Of Love — El_C 13:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surrender — El_C 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Stress →Get Down → Human Nature → Dreamy → Flowers — El_C 11:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Prelude 1 in C Major (BWV 846) — El_C 10:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21: I. Maestoso — El_C 23:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Put A Spell On You — El_C 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

High Tide — El_C 02:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

פרדי על הבוקר — El_C 07:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology relating to the word, "nonbinary"

Sorry if this seems more like an article than a talk page discussion. Skip to the Etymology of "nonbinary" per Merriam-Webster definition C section if the background is too abstruse for your taste. Cheers. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 20:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First, some background

It seems you recently misconstrued an instance in which I used the word, "nonbinary." In that instance, I used the word in the context of its generic sense of a "nonbinary grammatical number" within a lexicographical idiolect, not the sociolinguistic idiolect (i.e., re gender identity) with which you might be more familiar. For the moment, please put aside that sociolinguistic sense of “non-binary” as it applies to discussions of gender. Lexicographically speaking, “nonbinary” primarily means “not two.” Per Merriam-Webster’s definition of nonbinary:

Definition of nonbinary
a : not restricted to two things or parts 
// nonbinary voting

b : of, relating to, or being a system of numbers that does not use 2 as its base 
// nonbinary math

c : relating to or being a person who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that is neither entirely male nor entirely female 
// … an effort to create more equality for nonbinary and transgender students across campus. 
— Phoebe Roe

Accordingly, excluding cardinal numbers (e.g., 0, 1, 2, 3, etc.), the English language has exactly three nonbinary definite singular pronouns: “it,” “that,” and “this”. We typically use those pronouns to refer to inanimate or nonhuman referents, but we regularly use them to refer to humans in instances such as these:

(On the phone) A: Who is this? B: It’s Kent.
(Pointing at a photo image) A: Who is this? B: It’s my math teacher.
(Upon someone’s approach) A: Who is that? B: It’s my boss.
(Upon a knock at the door₁) A: Who is it? B:It’s the plumber. I’ve come to fix the sink.
(Upon a knock at the door₂) A: Who is it? B: It’s me, Dave. Open up, man, I’ve got the stuff.

With that in mind, please construe the following in the lexicographical context I intended, and follow the links to help avoid misinterpretation: “If currently there's a nonbinary singular third-person pronoun in the English language (i.e. besides "it"), the word hasn't yet made its way to me.”

From sheer neglect, I failed to phrase it as, “If currently there's a nonbinary singular third-person definite pronoun in the English language (i.e. besides "it"), the word hasn't yet made its way to me.” Moreover, if I had properly included "this" and "that" in my original post, perhaps the linguistic context would have been clearer.

My sole intent then, reflective of my linguistic interest exclusive of gender issues and solely that of grammatical number, absolutely did NOT intend the following interpretation: “If currently there's a nonbinary singular third-person pronoun in the English language (i.e. besides "it"), the word hasn't yet made its way to me.” The self-effacement to which I referred in the ANI discussion was simply a litotes, since it should be fairly obvious that no such word exists, and anyone who knows the extent of my linguistic rigors would know I would have discovered any such protologism immediately if there were one.

I'm fully aware that "nonbinary" is a polysemic lexical item, but I hadn't been aware (i.e., until you pointed out your concerns on the ANI page, as afterward echoed by User:Cullen328) that anyone might confuse the nonbinary grammatical number sense I intended from the non-binary gender interpretation that you applied. I've subsequently learned that Wikipedia makes a clear distinction between the spellings of "nonbinary" and "non-binary" by which "nonbinary," as a closed compound (i.e., without a hyphen) is excluded from the internal search engine while "non-binary," as a hyphenated compound (i.e., with a hyphen), automatically directs to the Non-binary gender article. Of course, editors spell stuff however they want on a talk page.

For what it's worth, using "nonbinary" in the sense of "nonbinary grammatical number" is fairly recent linguistic parlance. It's only used colloquially since most people tend to know what "non-" and "binary" mean. Otherwise, linguistic idiolect uses "epicene." In hindsight, perhaps I should have said, "If currently there's an epicene singular third-person pronoun in the English language (i.e. besides "it"), the word hasn't yet made its way to me." No one would have understood it on its face, but no one would have misconstrued it as being somehow disrespectful.

Similarly, this item was not intended to be be disrespectful, nor did anyone else but you (as far as I know) construe it to be disrespectful: "However, if you, Newimmpartial, represent more than one third-person editor, please let me know and I'll factor that into the equation when referring to you in a mutually agreeable way. Deal?" In fact, there are cases in which (a) numerous editors use a single login ID, and (b) an extant user assumes the login ID of a deceased spouse, partner, friend, etc. and prefers "they" not in the Singular they sense but in a plural sense. I won't bore you with the details of how linguists (incl. those who specialize in semantics, semiotics, syntax, lexicography, taxonomy, and sociolinguistics) spar over the concept. It suffices that the sociolinguists carry the day in colloquial usage, and those who specialize in morphology merely chronical its evolution. My interest is purely grammatical. Students ask, "Is there a singular 'some'? A a singular 'are'?" If you don't know how students tend to be, trust me: you're better off that way.

Etymology of "nonbinary" per Merriam-Webster definition C

Merriam–Webster always indicates morphology by indicating the earliest historical sense of a word first, and later senses in descending order. Accordingly, the dictionary’s primary sense of “nonbinary” was first attested in 1863. I know from other sources that the sociolinguistic sense of “nonbinary,” as it relates to gender, occurred in the milieu of psychosociology in the early 20th century. Determining exactly in what year that sense of word was coined, and by whom, is part of my lexicological interest, but merely as trivia.

I don’t otherwise have an abiding sociolinguistic interest in non-binary gender. My linguistic interest lies in the semantics and syntax of singular, ~~binary~~ epicene, and multiplicative lexical items as co-referenced with singular, ~~binary~~ epicene, multiplicative, mass, and collective referents.

My question for you: Do you know precisely the year in which "nonbinary" was first used in the sense discussed in the non-binary gender article? There's nothing that turns up in my lexicographical database nor in the numerous Google search engines re etymology other than Merriam-Webster's attestation of sense A. Cheers. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 20:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kent Dominic, if you want me to review something, I'd expect you to condense and summarize it better. Your multi-section notes are way too long. As it happens, English is my 2nd language, which I learned intuitively rather than through the rules of English grammar, not to mention linguistics or philology, and so on. So much of the above is beyond me.

Wikipedia is a collaborative project, so you're expected to conduct yourself respectfully with other contributors, as you would in any other professional environment. Part of that revolves around knowing when to be concise and when to elborate. Dumping thousands of words all at once by way of an 'explanation' isn't respectful, in my view, certainly for a volunteer project.

Nor, for that matter, do I think that it is respectful to construct lengthy faux-dialogues with your content opponent, whom half way through you start calling Ultra-impartial for some reason [WTF?] instead of Newimpartial. In short, I think you misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal. Again, the expectation is for you to do better on this front, notwithstanding whatever your style or background might be. Thanks and good luck. El_C 22:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Out of respect for other editors' requests, I always condense when asked. Otherwise, I don't expect anyone to read, much less reply, to my sometimes-lengthy posts. If you missed it, my first post to "Sorry, not sorry" was brief. Others' subsequent contributions surpassed mine. And the top of this thread suggests skipping down to this section for expediency's sake.

Re the Ultra-impartial dialogue, anyone who had read the clearly stated intro should have no questions about its Socratic premise.

In the interest of concision and brevity here, "Do you know precisely the year in which "nonbinary" was first used in the sense discussed in the non-binary gender article?" And, by whom? Cheers. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 23:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do not know the answer to that. I am not too familiar with that page. Anyway, Socratic method or not, please do not give your content opponents nicknames that could be viewed as demeaning. That kind of conduct isn't allowed and is subject to sanctions, if repeated. Beyond that, I don't understand why you go on to such incredible lengths, seemingly to sidestep the modern usage of singular they when addressing your fellow contributors. Honestly, figuring that out doesn't really interest me all that much. Sorry, I'm busy, so I gotta ration my time wisely. Nevertheless, I expect you to make a serious effort to improve. Thanks again. El_C 23:51, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the "nonbinary" etymology reply. Re nicknames: There were none on my talk page. The disclaimer said "fictionalized dialogue" so no one (in case of copying & pasting) might attribute any statements to a real editor. My aversion to singular they is based on grammatical number agreement. Using an agreed upon epicene alternative is easy for someone who knows linguistics well. I do it habitually and no one complains. In fact, I shun terms like "fellow contributors", which misgenders the majority of us. I don't criticize anyone who uses such terms even when WP colleagues seems apropos as an epicene option. I'm not urging you to improve; it's just not my style to genderize in any case: personal or otherwise. Indeed, I'm stricter than most ppl re such linguistic observations. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 01:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think "fellow," used in that way, is gendered.[10] ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kent Dominic, please don't play games, rhetorical or otherwise. I'm not interested. Treat others with respect without posturing. Now, I've warned you about this (twice), which ought to be the end of it. El_C 01:27, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the teahouse proposals thing

I was thinking that it may have been a NOTHERE user that you had seen before, considering that their user name includes two "El C"s in it, and their first edit was to the teahouse proposals, which isn't exactly . If you don't recognise them, then never mind, they're probably just a SPA, though (hopefully) harmless. Mako001 (C) (T) 22:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, ElSeaLC is new to me. Maybe they're working toward a Seal of Approval, though...? El_C 22:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, I dunno, I'm thinking just sit back and see what happens next, it might be even funnier than one of your jokes, though that would be hard to beat. (I'm sure the C stands for 'Comedian' sometimes) Mako001 (C) (T) 22:36, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grr, flattery will get you...

But, indeed, good comedy potential stock. I think the most amusing possibility is that it's just random, though how would you even verify that? Anyway, thanks again for bringing it to my attención. El_C 22:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Enough

re our ANI. Can't keep explaining & repeat the obvious there.

I reject each and every reproach you have thrown at me in this thread. It is incompetent to lump edits together then say "you both did it", to repeat injected BF slurs without base or withdrawal, to not be specific, to not reply to well-diffed pointed out wrongs in your reasoning, to not even read my objections let alone reply to them, to contradict explicit WP:-pages, then all this "concluding" into threats eh "warnings" of going-rogue actions. Enough. You have not based or clarified a single issue or action you perceived, nor did you contribute anything to resolve the dispute. Instead, you require I reply and clarify time and time again the exact situation to fight off other person's sloppyness at my expense. -DePiep (talk) 18:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DePiep, I must ask you to dial down the hostility. I am vaguely aware that editors have had perpetual disputes about the formatting of the Periodic table. This leads to circular debates and needless animosity. I'm going to look into this. Please try to shorten your comments, and remember that despite your high edit count, other editors' opinions count just as much as yours. Don't overwhelm them with number or size of your comments, please. Jehochman ^Talk 18:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DePiep, I do not require you reply to anything. I require that you don't disrupt that RfC anymore, which, if you do again, I will block you for. Clear enough? El_C 19:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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	: DePiep, I must ask you to dial down the hostility. I am vaguely aware that editors have had perpetual disputes about the formatting of the [[Periodic table]]. This leads to circular debates and needless animosity. I'm going to look into this. Please try to shorten your comments, and remember that despite your high edit count, other editors' opinions count just as much as yours. Don't overwhelm them with number or size of your comments, please. [[User:Jehochman\|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman\|Talk]]</sup> 18:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)		: DePiep, I must ask you to dial down the hostility. I am vaguely aware that editors have had perpetual disputes about the formatting of the [[Periodic table]]. This leads to circular debates and needless animosity. I'm going to look into this. Please try to shorten your comments, and remember that despite your high edit count, other editors' opinions count just as much as yours. Don't overwhelm them with number or size of your comments, please. [[User:Jehochman\|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman\|Talk]]</sup> 18:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
			:[[User:DePiep\|DePiep]], I do not require you reply to anything. I require that you don't disrupt that RfC anymore, which, if you do again, I will block you for. Clear enough? [[User:El_C\|El_C]] 19:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


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