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Japanese name translation

Hi, I was wondering if you could translate the Japanese names in List of mayors of Kaohsiung, including the ones that I tried translating. Thank you. And Happy New Year.--Jerrch 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much!--Jerrch 01:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Happy to help out. The only one I really don't know about is the last one, 中松 乙彥。 「乙」would normally be read as "oto" or "otsu"; I've personally only ever seen it in the word "otome" (乙女) and the name Saotome (早乙女). 「彥」is, as far as I can tell, not a Japanese character, or at least not one used any longer following the post-war language reforms. Sorry I couldn't get you an answer on this last one, but if you need any help with Japanese topics in future, please ask; I'll do my best to help out.

P.S. In working on this, I came across this site, which seems an excellent tool for figuring out the readings of Japanese names. LordAmeth (talk) 01:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. And I do remember from the cartoon series "Cased Closed" this character that had 彥 in his name. I went ahead and looked for it: it was 円谷光彦, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko. I am pretty sure that 彥 is the Chinese character for 彦, the kanji version. So do you have any ideas?--Jerrch 01:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Sorry to make you do extra work - I should have followed that through on my own. That name database site, and a general Google search seem to indicate that it's most commonly read as Otohiko, though the Otsuhiko reading also exists. I imagine it's another of those obnoxious cases where there's an archaic/historical reading, and a modern reading, as appears to be the case with the Asai/Azai clan as well. My best guess is that we should go with Otohiko. Thanks again. LordAmeth (talk) 07:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

History_of_Japan#World_War_II

Please explain this revert!

And while doing so please also explain why you consider theese events so insignificant (Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#Pacific_War) and (American Mutilation of Japanese War Dead) that you revert without even an explanation, but have no problems with the section containing verbose prose about american flags that really add nothing of value except for some sentimental americans.--Stor stark7 ^Talk 02:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I consider them insignificant for two reasons: (1) because, since this was your only edit, it was more obviously placed there with an agenda in mind. If it had been included in a far longer more complex edit describing atrocities on both sides, etc, it might have been alright, but these kinds of brief one-phrase edits which seek to promote a particular negative image of the US violate, to my mind, the spirit if not the word of WP:NPOV. (2) Because this is an article on the History of Japan. It's not even Military history of Japan or World War II, let alone American atrocities against the Japanese during World War II or something like that which would really be the most appropriate place for discussion of this topic. "History of Japan" is far too broad a topic to merit such details. You will find that the topic is described in lengthy detail elsewhere on Wikipedia. As for the American flag stuff, I hadn't noticed that stuff - I was only looking at the most recent changes.

I do apologize for not explaining myself in the edit summary on the revert. It can be difficult to distinguish ideology-driven vandalism, which doesn't really require a lengthy explanation for the revert, from earnest edits, which might merit such explanation. LordAmeth (talk) 02:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

(1) Excellent, then we can proceed to remove the section about International Military Tribunal for the Far East, since there is no balancing section about Allied crimes. I'll get right on it... or maybe you can do it? Also, you are in violation of Wikipedia:Good_faith in your attempts at mind reading. I was merely trying to find suitable articles to point to a new specialized article. "negative image of the US"?? So you are here to defend the image of the homeland rather than improve the content of Wikipedia?

(2) No, this is the History of Japan, section about WW-II. When such a section has grown enough it is customary to split it off into an article of its own, in this case "History of Japan during WW-II" or something similar. The WW-II section of History of Japan is then trimmed down and made to point to the specialized article. Strange that you seem unaware of these things.

Please elaborate on "You will find that the topic is described in lengthy detail elsewhere on Wikipedia". What is, and where is it? Did you even bother to check the articles in question out? Thanks for the apology, it was being treated as a vandal that annoys me the most in this. --Stor stark7 ^Talk 04:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I apologize to have apparently misread your intentions. It is an unfortunate result of the fact that various Japan-related articles are very frequently the victim of that particular brand of vandalism. As for the assumption that I have some sort of pro-US anti-Japan agenda, you couldn't be more wrong. I love both countries, and acknowledge their respective war crimes, atrocities, and other wrongdoings. I just don't feel the need to focus on these aspects of the war, on either side.

Articles on Japan during WWII already exist, so this process (which I am well aware of) of adding to the article until it's ready to be split off doesn't really apply. The relevance to the article overall should not be ignored in making these kinds of edits within a section. As for which other articles are more relevant to the subject than the overall umbrella History of Japan, I'd point you to Allied war crimes during World War II, Pacific War and Military_history_of_Japan#Showa_Period_-_World_War_II (which I am surprised has not been split off into its own article yet). Many of the articles on individual battles would be excellent places to make reference to this practice.

I apologize again for reverting your edit without any explanation, and for misjudging your intentions. Should this perhaps be continued on the talk page for the article, instead? That way others with opinions on the matter can chime in, and we can all work together to find the best way to address the issue in the article. Thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 07:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries, and I'll take your advice.--Stor stark7 ^Talk 23:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and Happy New Year

Firstly, let me wish you a very happy New Year and thank you for your help in the Milhist Tag & Assess 2007 drive.

Secondly, although the Tag & Assess 2007 drive is now officially closed, you are very welcome to continue tagging and assessing until 31 January 2008. Any articles you tag and assess during this time will be credited fully to your tagging tally for further award purposes.

Thirdly, if you can find the time, it would be great to have your feedback/comments and participation in the recently-set-up Tag & Assess workshop The idea is to see what lessons we can learn from the 2007 drive to make the 2008 one more efficient and enjoyable.

Thanks again for your help, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 10:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Okie doke. I'll take a look at it, and see what sort of comments I might be able to offer. LordAmeth (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Rescript on Surrender

Hi, the history log of s:Imperial Rescript on Surrender indicates that you worked on this page. I am currently trying to sort out the PD published translations from the unpublished translations done on the Wiki, so that we can demonstrate the latter group (s:Category:Wikisource translations) as an example of WMF resources at work.

Could you verify either here or on the Wikisource talk page that the formal translation on Wikisource was created and donated by yourself (i.e. not copied from any other site), and note which license you are granting it under (PD, CC, or GFDL). John Vandenberg (talk) 23:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I must admit that I did not translate that myself, but copied it from a book (Lu, David. "Japan: A Documentary History."). If I recall correctly, he had it cited to a public domain translation, but as I don't have that book on me any more, I can't check it. I thought I'd made reference to the original source in my original edits to that page on WikiSource, but evidentally I did not. Sorry. Good luck with your project though! Excellent idea. LordAmeth (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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Battle for Czech Radio, project assessment

Hi, Prague is geographically in the Central Europe not in Balkan, please see Prague for details. Happy editing. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 12:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I apologize. I feel like an idiot to admit it, but I'd confused the location of the Czech Republic for being much closer to Croatia, Bosnia, and Serbia. Do we have any task force to cover Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania? LordAmeth (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

He he, that's happen sometimes. What is task force ? :) We have Project Slovakia and Project Czech Republic. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 13:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Within the Military History WikiProject, there are task forces aimed at covering the military history of various regions - for example, the "military history of the Balkans" task force to which I mistakenly added the Czech Radio article. If there are a significant number of people within the Czech Republic and Slovakia Projects who focus on Military History and would like to form a task force, it could be quite nice. Actually, it'd be great to have a Central Europe task force, since there are a ton of Switzerland, Austria and Austria-Hungary articles which are not covered by any task force... LordAmeth (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible edit warring on project article

There seems to be some issues going on over on the article : Military history of African Americans, in particularly in the section Military history of African Americans#Confederate States Army. Could you take a look at the article's edit history as well as the discussion, Talk:Military history of African Americans, and possibly give some input? Thanks. Sf46 (talk) 23:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I appreciate your thinking of me and asking for my input. However, this is unfortunately quite far from my field of expertise, and I simply do not know what I can contribute to the conversation, because I do not know the details of the facts of the matter. Basically, it seems to me that the version seen following your latest revision emphasizes without exaggerating those individual cases in which African-Americans did participate. Meanwhile, the revisions made afterwards by SiberioS played down that participation. If I am missing something, please do point it out to me, but it seems to me that this is simply two different points of view, two different presentations of the same information. Neither version seems to me to be grossly misrepresenting the facts, but of course I don't know the facts so I could be wrong.

In any case, I apologize to not be able to contribute to the discussion more directly. I hope that a compromise can be reached. LordAmeth (talk) 11:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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That is fantastic. Thanks for the notice. Since I have very few sources directly available to me, and very little free time these days, I find that I am unable to contribute as much as I would like to improving the citations and thus reliability of Wikipedia. But I think that these new templates should be at least some help.

If the Timeline project needs any help with individual specific questions relating to Japanese history, I'd be happy to do my best to answer them. I have recently obtained a new history book with a fairly detailed timeline of all Japanese history, and can likely consult other sources as well if free time permits. Thanks much. LordAmeth (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad that you find the templates useful. And thank you for your offer, you can be sure that we will. If you feel for joining the project when you have more time available, you will me most welcome. Daoken 13:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Daijō-kan and Kugyō

In the context of your participation in Daijō-kan#Query, it's possible that you'd be interested in scanning User talk:Amake#Daijō-kan and Kugyō. As you can see for yourself, the issues at hand flow from User:Bueller 007's critical osbservations concerning:

• Daijō-kan -- see Talk:Daijō-kan#Simplification.
• Kugyō -- see Talk:Kugyō#The list.

Also, you might have wanted to be alerted that your name was mentioned approvingly in:

• Talk:Daijō Daijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
• Talk:Sadaijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
• Talk:Udaijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
• Talk:Naidaijin#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
• Talk:Dainagon#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries
• Talk:Chūnagon#Proposed deletion of Eight Ministries

You understand that most articles evolve independently; but, in my view, these would seem to be inextricably inter-related. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 03:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. While I think I most likely side with you in the end on this, as leaving things open for potential future contributions is often (if not always) better than being deletionist, I must admit I am finding this whole thing quite difficult to follow, in part due to your tendency to use quite dense, academic-style words and phrasing. In any case, I shall endeavor to find time to take a look at this later... perhaps in the morning. Thanks for the heads-up. LordAmeth (talk) 11:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Kibi

Thank you for your very kind words. Jenny^Len☤ 11:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm genuinely excited to discover another fellow pre-modern Japanese history editor; pre-Heian topics such as Kibi are particularly lacking, and so it's great to see such good work being done on it. If you're planning on doing more work in this vein, well, at the risk of being pushy or sounding like a salesman or something, I'd like to suggest that if you're interested it might be good to join (or at least take a look at) WikiProject Japan and WikiProject Former Countries. I personally find that one of the best (read: most fun) parts of Wikipedia is the community. Thanks again. LordAmeth (talk) 12:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I am planning to do more work on that area, however, I don't manage to have a fast pace, but I will do some. I will give a look into those projects, I gave previously a fast view but I will look a bit deeply, thank you for pointing me to those wikiprojects, sounds interesting indeed Jenny^Len☤ 09:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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Beyond Uchina

It is a nice place to visit at least once and a very interesting subject for historical and cultural studies Jenny^Len☤ 08:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Kabuki actor photos

Hi. Glad you liked the photos. The Photo was taken at a "foreign press dinner" in Tokyo, where these actors were the guest of honor and also talked about their work (through translators). This was early in 2007. Hope this helps -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I just wanted to be able to put a bit more than the actors' names in the captions. I suppose that'll be fine; no need to go into too much detail about where the function was, or what precisely the name of the event was. Much thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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Template:WikiProject Jewish history

Hi LordAmeth: Can you explain why the {{WikiProject Jewish history}} template is broken, and hopefully fix it. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 05:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

How is it broken? What specifically is going wrong? I'm afraid I'm not very knowledgeable about coding, and simply created this one by copying the code of another template... LordAmeth (talk) 09:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Same

I've saw what you did in Nguyễn Lords, I need you do same thing in Trịnh Lords. Thank! JacquesNguyen (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. LordAmeth (talk) 10:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Christian spamlinks?

Hi! Please visit my last edits in "Demographics" of Japan about Religions in Japan. Do you think it was Christian spamlinks? Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Japan#Christian_spamlinks

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Need a guideline

You're fluent at Japanese language, and left your input on the WP:NC-KO at WP:KO. I think you can give me a shed of light on how to carry on the poll. It is not even an official poll but these newly registered editors seem too eager to cast their vote. What is better(?), they look like some socks of somebody or meatpuppets from 2channel. The evidence is here.

Talk:Sea of Japan#2channel meatpuppets from 朝鮮人のWikipedia（ｳｨｷﾍﾟﾃﾞｨｱ）捏造に対抗せよ 21

If you have a time, can you make a guideline in this mess. Or should I raise an issue at WP:ANI? Thanks. --Appletrees (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I'm not actually fluent yet, still working on it. To be clear, I must admit I am for sticking with the name "Sea of Japan" if "East Sea" is indeed used only in Korea & Korean-related materials; Still, this meatpuppet thing is ridiculous, and I'd certainly take your side in opposing it. But I'm afraid I'm not quite sure exactly what it is that I can do. I think that mentioning it at WP:ANI is a good idea; outside of that, if there's any way I can help, such as contributing to a vote or discussion, I'd be happy to help out. Please let me know, and I will see what I can do.

PS Forgive me for being ignorant, but why is 李王朝時代 (Yi Dynasty period) offensive, and what should be used instead? LordAmeth (talk) 01:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. I know that you don't support the changing title, but I need a help from admin who can read Japanese and clean up the mess. I think the poll is just a spin-off or arbitrary idea in a casual way, so the title can hardly be changed to East Sea. If it were very serious and official poll, it should've had a guideline such as time limitation and qualification for the vote. The initial issue was the dispute on whether mentioning East in the intro or first subsection is valid or not. Through the discussion, I hoped to unify the complex Korean naming convention on the matter. I think it is a time to close the poll and sort out the meatpuppets from regular users. Most of new users seem like Spas and meatpuppets, or sockpuppets. They just say like "Oppose per whose saying" without their own voice. And I found another thread from 2channel which is like live news about my edits and fills with personal attacks and pejorative racial slurs against me (Chosenjin, hwabyeong patient, psycho, institutionalized mentally deranged person, irrational person, stupid, .etc). They escalate edit warring on Korean articles especially South Korea. Aside from the poll, my question is "should I raise this meatpuppet issue at ANI or Arbicom? Thanks.

http://society6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/korea/1198939173/

re:p.s Just use Joseon dynasty because Yi dynasty is used by Japanese to degrade Joseon. Although North Korea calls herself Joseon, it doesn't mean the succession of Joseon dynasty, but Gojoseon(고조선 ancient Joseon). Westerners have translated Korea into "Land of Morning calm" and commonly called it, but originally Joseon indicated "country". --Appletrees (talk) 10:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm really sorry to hear about what's been going on on 2ch. I'd heard rumor of the kind of racist bullshit that goes on on the Korea-related threads on there, but never saw/read anything specific of it.

I would definitely suggest you raise this issue with the Admins Noticeboard or Arbitration Com. Good luck with this; this kind of activity is just horrendous and offensive, and something needs to be done. I trust that someone on one of those pages will know what to do better than I. LordAmeth (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure if you know Japanese enough to catch on to the fact that Appletrees is trying to mislead you.

• First of all, the poll results are obviously "oppose". Appletrees blows a trivial problem all out of proportion, trying to make the public think that all oppose votes are unfair.
• Actually, the copy-and-paste bombing on 2ch doesn't work. If you read Japanese, it's all too obvious. Here are excerpts from [1] and [2].

  "Isn't this a preparation for invalidating oppose votes by labeling them as canvassing?" (反対票をcanvassing扱いにして無効化しようという工作か？)

  With sarcastic intent: "Here comes Appletrees again." (またりんご来たのね。), "Thank you, Appletrees" (りんごちゃん乙).

In contrast, we cannot find any trace of that bombing as the actual provoker of the possible sockpuppetry.

What's going on at 2ch is not straightforward. Various groups of people post comments with hidden intentions. 2ch users are deeply cynical and usually ignore (スルーする) these stupid posts. The principle is: "You can hardly be a 2ch user unless you can tell the truth from lies." (嘘は嘘であると見抜ける人でないと (掲示板を使うのは) 難しい). So high literacy level is required. Maybe Appletrees is not only selective but unable to read what they actually say.

And here is an advice for you: keep skeptical about anything related to Korea. Don't trust what other people say unless you check primary sources or at least verifying traceability of primary sources. I guess you realize that online information about Japan is often unreliable. The situation is much worse concerning Korea. For example, 李王朝 (or 李朝 is more common) is not offensive at all. --Nanshu (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

coordinator election

The Wikiproject History is going to elect 3 coordinators. As a member you are invited to participate. Wandalstouring (talk) 10:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Taishū engeki

On 17 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Taishū engeki, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Nguyen Lords and Trinh Lords

Hi there LordAmeth. Can I ask which research journals your uni has (online) on Vietnamese history? I would be delighted if you could get me copies of Vietnamese history articles from journals that my uni doesn't have. Just got cracking on Artillery of the Nguyen Lords. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I unfortunately do not currently have access to any online journals, as I'm not enrolled in a uni at the moment. However, I have the following articles on my HD:

• A Maritime Logic to Vietnamese History - Charles Wheeler
• Coin and the commercial trade between Vietnam and Japan in the 17th century - Thuan Luc
• A New Look at Old Southeast Asia - Craig Reynolds
• Age of Commerce in Southeast Asian History - Anthony Reid
• Composition of 19th century Political Elite of Nguyen Vietnam (1802-1883) - Nola Cooke
• Literati Culture and Integration in Dai Viet 1430-1840 - John K Whitmore
• Middle Eastern entrepreneurs in Southeast Asia c1750-1940 - William Clarence-Smith
• Ming Shi-lu as a source for SE Asian History - Geoff Wade
• Rethinking the Sea in Vietnamese History - Charles Wheeler
• Seventeenth-Century Crisis in Southeast Asia - Anthony Reid
• Southeast Asia Inside Out 1300-1800 - A Perspective from the Interior - David K Wyatt
• Structuring Southeast Asian History 1350-1830 - Victor Lieberman
• Surface Orientations in Vietnam - Beyond Histories of Nation and Region - Keith Taylor
• Taiwan, Coastal South China, and Northern Viet Nam Maritime Trading Network - Wilhelm Solheim
• Vietnam-Champa Relations and the Malay-Islam Regional Network in the 17th-19th Centuries - Danny Wong Tze Ken
• Vietnamese Historical Sources for the Reign of Le Thanh-tong (1460-1497) - John K Whitmore
• View from the Sea - Perspectives on the Northern and Central Vietnamese Coast - Li Tana

I realize that the titles alone might not be too helpful, but if you're interested in any of these, please don't hesitate to ask. LordAmeth (talk) 08:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)