User talk:LukasPietsch

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Re:RFAR

Yeah it would be nice if you could help me. I've already sent you an e-mail. Aucaman^Talk 08:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You should receive an e-mail from me in an hour. Aucaman^Talk 09:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You've got mail. I'm about to go sleep now, but I should be around for another 30 mins in case you have any questions. Aucaman^Talk 11:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)#Logical paradox

I know you don't like to take sides or even comment on any talk that may be of nationalistic hue. However, in the above talk, there is a logical paradox that needs the attention and views of non-biased and neutral users such as yourself. Your opinion would be very helpful.

PS. Hope you well received my last e-mail on previous discussions (17/3/2006).  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 10:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the notification. Right now, I have to admit I'm a bit under wikistress for various reasons and a bit reluctant to enter into yet another dispute. Hope you'll understand. I need a bit of a break. But I have the feeling the discussion over there is currently running more constructively than it used to, isn't it? Maybe I can give it a look later, but I can't promise right now. See you, -- Lukas ^(T.|@) 11:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I fully understand. After all, such talks can be stigmatising, yet challenging...  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 11:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

What?

what was that message about?did i insult anyone in english or greek?--Hectorian 19:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you didn't, of course. Miskin did, in the sentence just above mine. Sorry, thought that was obvious. --Lukas ^(T.|@) 19:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

i had guessed u meant that,but i wanted to make sure u were not accusing me.btw,i do not think it's a big insult.we use this word quite often here...Regards!--Hectorian 19:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, sorry again for the misunderstanding. BTW, independently of this particular minor incivility, I think there is actually a deeper problem here. I see a tendency among many non-English-speaking users, not just Greeks, to use their languages for these kinds of "conspirational" purposes - talking about other people behind their backs, arranging concerted action on some edit-warring issue, that sort of thing. Which is generally not a nice thing, in my view. Maybe we can work on that at some other time, when the air is free from angry mastodons. --Lukas ^(T.|@) 20:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't help noticing your talk. English is fine. Your native tongue is more easy-coming. I believe this is the reason why people don't use the perfectly acceptable by wikipedia means of conspiracy: the e-mail. I too get frustrated when I read... Sanskrit, but people tend to use their native language to get their point across on a more intimate level. Also, I confirm Hector's assertion that the word is common (like "silly" in English which both of us have used quite a lot, Luke).  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 20:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You may be right in parts, thanks for the note. Still... "o ilithios"? Isn't that really more like "that idiot"? If you tell me no now, I'll remove the notice from Miskin's page before he sees it. Lukas ^(T.|@) 20:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The word may mean 'idiot' or 'silly'.judging from the discussion it was used for,i think that the word was more used like naive-not knowing-silly...or maybe 'idiot'.but i really find it a bit exagerrating to be considered a personal attack...afterall there have been used much more insulting words and expressions in wikipedia(in english or not).we should also keep in mind that sometimes we loose our temper...we're humans:)--Hectorian 21:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry too for the misunderstanding.i have to admit that i also get a bit suspicious and curious when i see my username between words that i cannot understand...but what can i say...if people want to use their mother languages,i cannot stop them.--Hectorian 21:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually it's more like "the fool", or "silly". It sounds like a curse that a 5 year old would use. I assure you, I can't think of a milder insult. Furthermore, he doesn't say who it refers to. I'll have to see his contributions, to know who he refers to at the time, but I guess it's not worth the time and it can't be substantiated as an actual insult. Miskin is generally not so provocative in his talks. I guess that it is gray word (but very close to white) that addresses someone indirectly. I wouldn't have even bothered, but then again this is your choice.  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 21:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

My response on the other issue will be posted in my talk.  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 21:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Not sure

Why did you get involved in to this? Aucaman did not even ask you to, it looks like you couldn't wait to get your hands dirty! [1]

No worries, I will get involved when I have time (is there a deadline?), your comments such as [2] should surely discredit you already? You have been involved in even more 'vs Iranian' activity as mentioned in your first archive too, right? May I ask whether you have a tendency to back people against Iranians? --Kash 11:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

First, I can assure you that your repeated attitute where you keep calling all Iranians 'nationalist' and defending someone who is clearly being problematic already sums up the reason behind why you got your self involved here.

But anyway I'll see you in court! ;) --Kash 11:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Lucas, as you know perfectly well (I hope), you can always tell me if you find something I said offensive, it was not my intention to 'attack' you.

Thanks --Kash 11:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Greeks

I haven't looked at it for a day. I agree that the <ref> functionality is very nice, and have installed it on another article (Democratic peace theory) on which Wikifate has inflicted a PoV pusher. I installed's Byz's text as a demonstration that I am prepared to consider variants - the nationalists are not. Septentrionalis 22:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

E-mails

Have you been getting my recent e-mails? I've got a couple of return notices. I responded to your question about the Persian people article. Did you get that? Aucaman^Talk 02:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You should be getting two e-mails from me. Aucaman^Talk 08:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I just sent two new e-mails to the old e-mail address. Let me know if you're getting them. Aucaman^Talk 11:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Your RfC

Hi CoolCat, I just saw that RfC page you put up for Aucaman et al. This doesn't really look like a formally valid user-conduct RfC. Could you please check the formal rules again and reformat accordingly, so that it will actually be useful in attracting people to comment? I'd suggest you shouldn't advertise it in the meantime. Thanks! Lukas ^(T.|@) 14:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... so rfc structure has changed over all this time. I'll take a look and fix it.

I make it a personal policy not to advertise to parties. The only people I notified are the ones already involved with the case.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 14:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I see you notified Zmmz and somebody else, but not even the parties actually criticized, i.e. Aucaman et al.? That, IIRC, is one of the most basic requirements and has to be documented in the RfC before it can be counted valid. - By the way, you may wonder why I've become active so quickly in this, but I've been acting as a kind of semi-advocate in Aucaman's other affairs lately. Lukas ^(T.|@) 14:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Example user. It's been more or less like that since mid-2004, apparently. Lukas ^(T.|@) 14:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.. I see. I'll advertise to them as well. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 14:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Anything else I should do? Feel free to assist. :) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, sorry, no offense, but ... rather than assisting, I'm probably going to shoot it down. Honestly, I don't think the RfC in this form is going to go anywhere. Give me half an hour, I'll add a note explaining why I think it won't work, and suggest you drop it for the moment and try in a different form. Lukas ^(T.|@) 15:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you suggesting personal attacks and pov pushing are acceptable? I depleted every method avalible to me. I ask for asitance on the noticeboard I asked people on IRC. I let them be for months in hopes someone would interfere. I was going to directly jump to arbitration but Francis requested I go for RfC first.

Shooting an rfc I filed for obviously problematic behaviour is puzzling behaviour after making me work so much. I am currently confused as well as frustrated by your statement.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 15:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)