Talk:Pansexuality

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Omnisexuality

In the article, it states that "Pansexuality, or omnisexuality, is the sexual, romantic or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity."

However, that is not what omnisexuality is. Omnisexuality is being open to a relationship with someone that identifys with any gender, but gender can affect a choice in partner. Therefore, someone who is omnisexual, like myself, does not identify with being gender blind, a term also mentioned in the article.

Furthermore, omnisexuality is not mentioned within the initial article again, which gives an inconsistency, and also shows that omnisexuality and pansexuality -however similar- are not the same.

Thank you for reading this far, if you managed it. I would really like to get this article edited, but by all means, correct any errors I may have made in this rant of sorts. Thank you again. Dilan the emo nerd (talk) 00:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

We go by what WP:Reliable sources state and with WP:Due weight. Do you have reliable sources that distinguish omnisexuality from pansexuality? Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I have found articles on Quartz, Affinity, and some definitions on Urban dictionary stating that there is in fact a difference between the two sexualities. Furthermore, pansexuality and omnisexuality are celebrated on seperate days of pride month, clearly indicating that they are different.

As an omnisexual myself, I know what I identify with, and it is not pansexuality. Dilan the emo nerd (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

There's this article in Quartz, which says:

* pansexual (gender-blind sexual attraction to all people)

* omnisexual (similar to pansexual, but actively attracted to all genders, rather than gender-blind)

and this article entitled "What Is the Difference Between Pansexuality And Omnisexuality?" in Affinity Magazine, which says:

"...I saw the terms pansexual and omnisexual being used interchangeably. However, they are not synonyms of each other (thus being why they each have their own day during pride month); there is a big difference between the two that needs to be acknowledged.

Most people define both terms as meaning the attraction to all genders, but this isn’t fully true. Oxford Dictionary defines pansexual as not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity and omnisexual as involving, related to, or characterized by a diverse sexual propensity." Carlstak (talk) 23:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Poor sources - see WP:SCHOLARSHIP. That source's comment about Oxford links to lexico.com, which isn't the same as the Oxford English Dictionary. Crossroads ^-talk- 03:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I just served up the sources referenced but not cited by Dilan the emo nerd. I'm not defending the sources, but I wouldn't call Lexico a "poor source". You should know that it is published by Oxford University Press, which also publishes the Oxford English Dictionary. Lexico.com is a collaboration between Dictionary.com and Oxford University Press, and all its definitions are written by Oxford lexicographers. Carlstak (talk) 04:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Dictionaries, including Merriam-Webster, give pansexual and omnisexual as synonyms. Beyond that? This 2013 "Bi: Notes for a Bisexual Revolution" source, from Basic Books, page 28, states, "'Pansexual/omnisexual: people who are attracted (sexually, romantically, and/or otherwise) to people of all genders and sexes, or to multiple genders and sexes, or regardless of sex and gender, and who identify as pan/omni." It only distinguishes the two by stating, "Pansexuality and omnisexualty differ from each other by their Greek and Latin roots (pan meaning all in Greek, and omni the same in Latin)." This 2016 "Introducing the New Sexuality Studies: 3rd Edition" source, from Routledge, page 202, treats pansexual and omnisexual as the same thing when speaking of a person's sexual identity. This 2017 "Young Bisexual Women's Experiences in Secondary Schools" source, from Routledge, page 2034, states, " 'Omnisexual' and 'pansexual' have different etymological bases but essentially the same meaning, omni -- being Latin-derived -- and pan -- being Greek-derived -- meaning 'all' or 'many' (Soble, 2006)." This 2016 "The Autism Spectrum Guide to Sexuality and Relationships: Understand Yourself and Make Choices that are Right for You" source, from Jessica Kingsley Publishers, page 31, states, "Pansexuality/omnisexuality. This is the sexual attraction towards people as individuals rather than to people because of their gender."

So, yes, it makes sense to present pansexuality and omnisexuality as synonyms in this article. Per WP:POVFORK, omnisexuality certainly shouldn't be its own Wikipedia article. There also aren't enough reliable sources under that term. Passing mentions don't count as "enough reliable sources", especially when so many of those are presenting the term as an alternative term for pansexuality. So WP:NEO applies. An alternative to having omnisexuality mentioned/bolded in the lead of this article is redirecting it to one of the sections and adding any relevant (but not undue), decently sourced content about it there. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

My earlier response was to both users. But it does appear Lexico is a better source than I thought. Thanks, Flyer22 Frozen, for these comments. I've taken omnisexuality out of the lead and put it under the Etymology section and will point the redirect there. I think the lead should focus on pansexuality, as that term has far more use than omnisexuality. Also, not having omnisexuality in the lead helps forestall future complaints, as equating the two isn't so prominent. Crossroads ^-talk- 03:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Having sources for something as rapidly evolving as language isn't practical, omnisexual seems a rather new identity so many people won't have acknowledged it as independent from pansexuality yet. There will always be debates on the validity of a term, even pansexuality is controversial as an identity due to the overlap with bisexual. However if you're going to add pansexual, you may as well add omnisexuality as it's own thing, it's at least one of the more widespread of the marginalized multiple gender attraction related orientations. Yes, I know this is an extremely late reply, but I wanted to give my 10 cents, or however the expression goes. Alex Skye Kroy (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

ThaliaHolmesMtF, regarding this? The sources showing otherwise are right there above listed by me. And I have more. Where are yours? We go by WP:Reliable sources here. Your personal opinion holds no weight here. And that goes for everyone else arguing "but omnisexual is different." Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020

Important days for Pansexuals: Pansexual pride day falls on December 8th every year.

Pansexual/Panromantic visibility day, which is a day to celebrate and learn about Pansexuals, falls on March 24th. 

Pansexuals, as being part of the LGBTQIAP+ community, celebrate their pride in the month of June, along with the rest of the community. Amber Rose 216 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC) Amber Rose 216 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Omnisexuality and Pansexuality are distinct sexual orientations

Hello, I would like to ask for a correction in this article. Omnisexuality and pansexuality are presented as synonyms (esp. in the etymology part), while it is actually not the case. Indeed, they both mean being attracted to all genders and that's why their etymologies are similar. However, pansexuality implies a « gender blindness », meaning that a pansexual person will not pay attention to gender ; while omnisexual persons do. The fact is that letting this kind of informations on a website like Wikipedia contributes to a confusion and misinformation on these sexual orientations...
I created a page for omnisexuality in French, you may have a better understanding checking its english sources, or I can send you the links if you prefer. (the page : omnisexualité)
If you would like to translate the page for omnisexuality and so avoid this misinformation, I would be glad to help you ! (I will try to write it in English soon, but you can go ahead if you want)
(Ps : I know that they are presented as synonyms in English, German, Chinese and Portuguese ; but these ones are under protection and we can't correct this amalgam. This is why I'm asking this to you !)

Thank you for understanding the problem and for your time, have a nice day ! --Sainka squid (talk) 13:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

See what I stated in the #Omnisexuality section above. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Everything is strictly and only humans; the theory of everything in physics is about some human or humans

You mean panhominosexuality, panhominosexual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410E:CAB4:943C:5DA3:C53D:E01A (talk) 06:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)