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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Davidbena
The arbitration enforcement topic ban against Davidbena is lifted, on the condition of being mentored by Nableezy for one year. This mentorship means that Davidbena must ask Nableezy for approval before making edits to articles in the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, broadly construed, and follow advice given by Nableezy. For clarity, the community topic ban at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions#Davidbena remains in place (removing it cannot be done here and requires an appeal at WP:AN). Galobtter (talk) 01:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Topic ban from editing in the ARBPIA area, broadly construed, imposed on 29 January 2022, and which Tban was subsequent to a failed appeal in November 2019 (see here), imposed by User:Ymblanter, and which original ban was related to disruptive editing by me (as seen here), imposed by User:Euryalus. It is to be noted that an appeal was submitted in September of 2022 to rescind my current Topic ban (as shown here}, but that it too was declined.
Statement by DavidbenaI am asking that my Topic ban be lifted, since I am fully aware now (finally) where I had infringed upon my own Topic ban (here), where it was stated explicitly that I was prohibited from making “any edits relating to post-1948 Arab-Israeli geopolitics, broadly construed, and regardless of whether an ARBPIA template is on the talk page,” but that I had wrongly taken the initiative (careless of me) to create a page entitled “Outline of Jerusalem,” following the Outline of Munich format, and which new page clearly discussed post-1948 Arab-Israeli geopolitics. There is no excuse for this flagrant abuse of my limited topic ban, although I was permitted under the same ruling to “upload or add historical photos or multimedia of or about pre-1948 Levantine subjects,” as well as to contribute “verifiable and reliably sourced information regarding Levantine archaeological research,” in addition to “make edits relating to geographical features of the Levant.” This generous leniency and freedom given to me by my peers rendered my judgment obscured, and I had forgotten the most important proscription, namely, not to engage in edits relating to post-1948 Arab-Israeli geopolitics, broadly construed. I can now say honestly that the community was right to censure me for this flagrant violation, after giving me so much freedom. I will not be upset if the community should turn-down my current request to appeal the topic ban. I feel ashamed that I had not noticed my own error, before it came to this. With that said, for the record, I personally bear no grievance toward any man, and I fully understand the need to reach a consensus with my fellow editors, especially when dealing with contentious topics such as this. As a religious Jew, I have since come to learn something that will, hopefully, guide my attitude here on out in the future, and that is this: for Jews and Arabs, the country remains eternally under special sanctity, and both peoples have historical connections to the land. This calls for extra sensitivities when editing pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. My fervent hope and desire is to add important historical data to articles in the ARBPIA area, and to bring some of these articles up to "Good Article" status.Davidbena (talk) 03:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Statement by SeraphimbladeWith Davidbena, I think the problems we have seen have generally been an issue of negligence rather than malice. That's not to excuse them—editors subject to restrictions are still responsible for heeding them, and liable for the consequences if they do not. Part of that is either to stay well clear of any area which even might be interpreted as subject to it, or at the very least to ask for clarification and advice before doing anything that might be near the line. That said, if someone experienced were willing to act as an advisor/mentor for Davidbena during a gradual return to some of the area, and Davidbena were willing to accept such guidance, I could see that as a potentially workable solution and would not object to that. I do think that just wholesale removing this restriction (especially with the community restrictions still in place) is not something likely to end well for anyone involved; it certainly has not worked out well in the past. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Statement by NableezyI have made no secret of my fondness for David, and have tried to ward him off from shooting himself in the foot in the past, and thats despite having been asked to be banned by David in the past, in fact two of his more ardent fans are the only ones he's ever asked to have banned I think. But he is without doubt one of the most sincere people on Wikipedia, and I have never doubted David's honesty or good faith. His zeal was the only real problem. But I absolutely believe that he thought he wasnt doing anything that violated his topic ban previously, and even though it was obvious to me, and to everybody commenting at AE at the time, I remain of the view that good faith mistakes should be forgiven, and honestly think you all should have just gone with escalating blocks up to one month for those good faith topic ban violations. Yes, it was a topic ban violation. But who cares really, it had zero impact on anything, and anybody could have removed it and he would have left it alone if told to due to his ban. I cant honestly say I have any real confidence that he wont make another good faith error in abiding by the AN imposed ban in the future, but I just dont see how this is beneficial to any of the parties here, David or Wikipedia. So my view, unchanged over years and years, is David can be an asset to articles that need knowledgeable editors who research thoroughly and have access to some of the world's best resources for the Jewish history in Palestine/Israel, and we are just depriving ourselves of that asset for technical violations of a ban that has barely any real benefit to Wikipedia to begin with. And it be better if we didnt do that. nableezy - 04:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Just so Im clear, we're just talking about the AE imposed ARBPIA wide topic ban, the AN ban would still need to be appealed some time in the future, and the mentorship here consists of David agreeing to follow my advice on if a proposed or made edit is a violation of that AN ban and committing to self-reverting and disengaging for any topics that I say are violations. Right? nableezy - 21:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC) @Isabelle Belato, Cullen328, Euryalus, and Black Kite: pinging the admins below to ask for the clarification requested in David's question at the end of his statement. nableezy - 20:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Zero0000Like Nableezy, I'm one of those who generally sit on the opposite side of the fence to David on ARPBIA issues. And yet, like Nableezy, I see David as an asset to the project. To start with, David's knowledge of Jewish matters is spectacular. Second, David is good faith personified. The times when David violated the rules were more to do with his confusion about them than with an intention to be disruptive. And, yes, he does fail to understand the rules quite often, but I know from long conversation that he is genuine about it. This leads me to a proposal: give David a trial period with a mentor. During this trial period, David would be required to follow the mentor's advice, which would be mostly about policy and wikicraft rather than content. Zerotalk 20:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Huldra
Statement by (involved editor 1)Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by DavidbenaStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Beyond My Ken (Davidbena)
Statement by SelfstudierRecently, at Wild edible plants of Israel and Palestine editor breached the tban and comments made in an RFC were eventually removed after an administrator explained the obvious. Editor has a history of pushing boundaries and always seems to reach a point of not being able to edit neutrally in this topic area.Selfstudier (talk) 07:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC) Statement by NfitzIn his response to Selfstudier above, Davidbena notes that he was told that creating the article Wild edible plants of Israel and Palestine wasn't a violation. But what he is being criticized for by User:Selfstudier isn't anything to do with that page. It's the words of his talk page edit that are the issue, where he said that "the addition of "and" makes it appear as though we're talking about two separate countries, when, in fact, we're talking about a synonym for the same country". With your topic ban you can't opine (anywhere in Wikipedia) of your opinion about whether the area in question is one country, two countries, three countries, or 50 countries! That even today you don't see that, is very concerning. In your title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1151399666 ANI request yesterday (which was closed and moved here) you said that you "simply mentioned while editing that page the name of the current government over Jerusalem". Reading the earlier ANI discussion, it notes that your neutral article "Outline of Jerusalem" (that I have not and cannot see) never mentioned Palestine, even though it governs a large potion of the city. Even in your ANI appeal you imply that Israel governs the entire city. In my mind this suggests there remains a lack of understanding or sensitivity regarding the situation. And in particular there seems to be a lack of understanding that even mentioning who you think governs all of Jerusalem (a highly controversial topic) violates your TBAN. With this lack of understanding of what the Topic Ban restricts, as recently as yesterday, I think the topic ban should continue, as making such a bold and controversial comments on Jerusalem, and the On a personal note, I applaud the community for trying to work with the editor, rather than simply penalize the editor; it's not something that the community is very good at. Nfitz (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC) Can someone clarify - I thought people weren't allowed to edit in another person's section (sorry, I don't appear here very often). But to respond to the statement, I had meant to write "insinuate" rather than "assert". I'm not sure how else to interpret ".. makes it appear as though we're talking about two separate countries, when, in fact, we're talking about a synonym for the same country. Though that's secondary to the current request to lift the topic ban. That you ever mentioned the number of countries in your comment is a topic-ban violation, as far as I understand it. Nfitz (talk) 04:47, 26 April 2023 (UTC) Statement by Folly Mox[W]eaklyand aroundso he doesn't get sanctioned for miscounting or forgetfulness.) Or 0rr? These sound pretty difficult to enforce, but Davidbena seems very open to the idea of feedback and education, and no one here seems to doubt his good faith, so I'm hopeful that enforcement won't be an issue. Folly Mox (talk) 05:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by OnceinawhileI am in support of David returning to this topic area. We disagree on many (most?) fundamental areas of the topic, but the disagreement is usually constructive, open-minded and honest. And source-based. None of us are perfect, but we need more editors on either “side” of this topic area who can talk to and work with each other. Good luck David. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by starship.paintI have barely, if ever, touched this topic area. I am not sure if I've voted before on topic ban of Davidbena, but it's possible that I have. Nevertheless, if editors in this topic area, particularly and especially those who may be of opposing POV to Davidbena, are amenable to lifting the topic ban, then I will also support the lifting. starship.paint (exalt) 03:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC) Result of the appeal by Davidbena
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Emilimo
Emilimo is topic banned from pseudoscience. Galobtter (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Emilimo
@KoA: I meant they look like a WP:SPA since 11 April. They had some edits in other articles, but that was earlier. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning EmilimoStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by EmilimoStatement by KoATgeorgescu, it took me a second to catch what was exactly being reported without much background provided (and I'm a regular watcher at WP:FTN), but I'm guessing this report is because Emilimo has a history of trying to remove pseudoscience as a descriptor from articles, which violates WP:PSCI policy? Just making sure it's clear for admins that may not be as familiar with PSCI subjects here. From what I can see at Stephen C. Meyer, David Berlinski, and Michael Behe with the edit warring going on, it does appear Emilimo is WP:NOTHERE in terms of pseudoscience subjects and some sort of preventative action would be needed so the community doesn't have to deal with it there. They're technically not a WP:SPA as Tgeorgescu mentions in the evidence, but definitely WP:ADVOCACY issues in the last month that likely warrants a topic ban from intelligent design subjects. That could be expanded if they cause issues in other pseudoscience/fringe topics. KoA (talk) 01:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Emilimo
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Rayner111
Partial blocks from his biography at J. E. R. Staddon and Charles Murray - ordinary Admin actions, not AE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 09:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Rayner111
This user came to my attention after making PROFRINGE edits to Charles Murray (political scientist): [5], [6]. A glance at this user's talk page revealed that he has identified himself as the psychologist J. E. R. Staddon, and has been warned about COI. Despite this, even after the warning, it seems nearly all of his edits have been self-promotional (not just to his BLP; he's also gotten up to a lot of ref-spamming, e.g. here, here, here, and here). The only exception to this COI editing appears to be recent edit warring against the consensus on race and intelligence. I attempted to engage with Rayner111 / Professor Staddon on his talk page (where, after an initial warning for vandalism, I realized that this was an elderly professor and attempted to explain the existing consensus). I also invited him to engage on the article talk page, which he ignored. Instead, I was informed yesterday that he'd published an op-ed on the conservative website Minding the Campus, titled "WikiBias: How Wikipedia erases “fringe theories” and enforces conformity". In it, he misrepresents events to make it seem as though his edits were more reasonable, and appears to dismiss me by noting that my user page states that I use they/them pronouns. I was prepared to let that go, since R&I is a topic area full of trolls to whom I prefer to WP:DENY recognition. But seeing as this user has now come back on-Wiki to make the three highly inappropriate and pointy edits linked above, I see no other option but to seek sanctions.
Discussion concerning Rayner111Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Rayner111Statement by IP editorJust so I am clear, it appears Rayner111 included a link to Science Direct, which to the best of my knowledge is a reliable source and not subject to any kind of sanction. If I am wrong, forgive me, but I don't see what is disruptive about this edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1250:6d80:65a9:d528:c5d2:6e14 (talk) 22:04, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Beyond My Ken (Rayner111)Since Rayner111 self-identifies as J. E. R. Staddon, they should, at the very least, be partially blocked (as an ordinary admin action) from editing the article about himself. He's made 45 edits to the article, 24.4% of the edits to the article, [12] contributing 8.4% of the article's content.[13] Because of his obvious COI, he should be limited to suggesting changes on the article talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by IP editorThe background to this report is important. The disputed wording in the Charles Murray (political scientist) article was added by Generalrelative [15] without (initially) any discussion on the talk page. Rayner111 tried to modify Generalrelative's wording several times, and Generalrelative undid those attempts before making this report. Generalrelative also undid attempts by six other users to modify his wording: by user:Bartinny, [16] user:TankRe, [17] user:Oveclocked66, [18] user:Nrunje, [19] and two IP users. [20] [21] A third IP user challenged Generalrelative's change on the talk page, and his response to that IP user was dismissive. [22] When one is restoring one's change that's been opposed by eight people in total, and there has never been a consensus for the change on the article talk page, it's disingenuous to claim, as Generalrelative claims above, that one's opponent is "edit warring against the consensus". Repeatedly restoring one's contentious change as others challenge it is also the opposite of how WP:BRD is supposed to work, especially in an article about a living person. — 24.246.138.48 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 09:07, May 5, 2023 (UTC).
Result concerning Rayner111
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Review of Topic ban (Dev0745)
Malformed request. But I'm pretty sure that editing a conspiracy theory article to claim it isn't a conspiracy theory and is an actual thing, using tabloid sources, isn't an optimal way of editing. Topic ban seems reasonable. Black Kite (talk) 10:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello, recently I got topic banned from editing India, Pakistan and Afghanistan related articles by Tamzin after editing article Love jihad conspiracy theory. She topic banned me by citing reason of verifiability and synthesis. But I am not convinced by her argument as I think I have cited reliable sources and not done any Synth. The sentence added by me were clearly mention in the articles. My edit link is here [27]. Can any uninvovled Admin review the TBAN decision. Thanks Dev0745 (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
Iskandar323
Malformed request + content dispute. In my individual admin capacity, advised Salandarianflag to tone it down and to stop bludgeoning the related discussions. Abecedare (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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We had a conversation about the name of Caesarea and Iskandar323 dismissed my academic sources which reject the notion of a source provided by another academic Masalha, I provided why I was removing the source from the Caesarea page as there was sufficient back up to remove the source provided by Masalha as the book is subject to controversy and cannot be given as a fair source. As such I removed it until a compromise can be reached and not because I removed it based on my own personal opinions. I was then in away blackmailed to reverse it by Iskandar323 despite given the explanation I had listed for its withdrawal and if I did not back into his wishes, he would report me. Salandarianflag (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Salandarianflag
For WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:CIR issues, Salandarianflag is indefinitely topic banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed. Galobtter (talk) 00:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Salandarianflag
1. 10:46, 11 May 2023 Removal of Nur Masalha source and related material about the use of the name "Caesarea Palestina" from the lede of Caesarea_Maritima 2. 13:09, 11 May 2023 Repetition of the above
3. 00:31, 8 May 2023 Removal of Nur Masalha source and related material about the use of the name "Caesarea Palestina" from the lede of Caesarea_Maritima 4. 09:28, 8 May 2023 and 09:31, 8 May 2023 (combined series of edits) Repetition of the above
I and another editor have given this newish editor two separate chances to self-remedy 1RR violations, but the editor has ignored these opportunities. Note two other related discussions: (1) the AE filed by Salandarianflag against Iskandar323 immediately above, and (2) a discussion at WP:RSN.
Discussion concerning SalandarianflagStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by SalandarianflagI am not going like this like a lamb to the slaughter and I will defend my judgements as such I the response I shall make, firstly I believe that the context in which the source was in was highly biased in that it basically said that Jews took over a Palestinian City, which is not true as we know that Jewish settlement was one of the first settlements in Caesarea, when I removed the context, I stated why because to say as such that Jews took over a Palestinian City is just historically wrong, when archeological evidence points to plenty of Jewish history in Caesarea, note the Roman Theatre which contains the name of the Jewish Governor at the time of Caesarea. As such to say that Jews took away a city which had been historically Palestinian is just wrong and as such I provided context as to why a removed a portion of the section and made modifications to it, it isn’t like I just wiped it out without exposing why either, which is why I feel that this report is just a personal nab, since these views don’t seem to align with others. This isn’t as clear cut as you think it is because in most of these situations people removed context without providing an explanation but I provided an explanation and a source as to why I was removing it, further it wasn’t done with malice or ill wishes and I believe that the whole report should just be annulled as I had no ill meaning and provided a source which is this: https://www.britannica.com/place/Caesarea which clearly gives a source of defined Jewish settlement and that Caesarea was rebuilt by King Herod who was Jewish, so to say as such that Jews took over a Palestinian City is ludicrous. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:09 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@ScottishFinnishRadish:, as this is my first run in with 1RR and I don’t know about too much so I’ll will go over it, I did try to my make edits in good faith, I believe that a topic ban or block is too much, I’ll take a warning and I’ll try next time if I have any disputes to start a compromise discussion if I feel context is off in a certain area. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (username)Result concerning Salandarianflag
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Ghazaalch
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Ghazaalch
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Iraniangal777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Ghazaalch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
WP:CRP: today Ghazaalch restored [28] a link to "MEK troll farm" to the P.M.O.I. (People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran) page with the edit summary "restoring some changes to the original stable version" (but "MEK troll farm" is not part of "the original stable version").
Ghazaalch had previously added this to the page [29], which had been reverted [30] (Ghazaalch's "MEK troll farm" article was deleted, as well as its many alternate spellings).
This is no isolated incident. For example Ghazaalch recently restored [31] "People's Holy warriors", also something he had attempted many times before ([32] [33] [34] [35] ) Ghazaalch was warned [36] to stop when I first reported that, and I have also repeatedly asked him to stop [37].
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- Ghazaalch warned to "stop personalizing discussions" on that same page.
- Their talk page also shows a couple of a lerts about discretionary sanctions in this are of conflict.
- Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 22:49, 25 July 2021.
- If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Hogo-2020 reverted your "People’s Holy Warriors" edit
- Then you restored it
- Then I reverted it again
- Then you restored it again this time using the misleading edit summary "Reverting to the version before the edit-warring" (which is similar to the misleading edit summary you used here when restoring "MEK sockfarm")
- Then Fad Ariff reverted it again.
Neither Hogo-2020, or Fad Ariff, or myself were under WP:BLOCKEVASION (user:DreamBoat was). So your response about this means that (at best) you don't understand the policy. And the only reason I bring this up is because you recently violated WP:CRP when you restored "People's Holy Warriors" to the article yet again. Iraniangal777 (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
What you're saying that I was "warned against filing unactionable reports" is also false.
What's more, there have been numerous warnings and explanations of policy already posted on Ghazaalch's talk page ([38][39][40][41][42][43]), article's talk page ([44][45][46]), and throughout these reports. Ghazaalch even was a party in the initial ARBCOM case back in 2021, and after all of this, he's still unable to understand policies.
You're also incorrect that I consider Ghazaalch to be my "opponent". I think his contributions to Shia related topics have been productive, but topics relating to politics tend have continual WP:CIR problems at best (see also for example here or here or his last response here about the Wikipedia:Consensus required policy). Iraniangal777 (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Ghazaalch
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Statement by Ghazaalch
- The red link MEK troll farm was added by mistake and I corrected myself later.
- I restored "People's Holy warriors" in July 2022 because of the WP:BLOCKEVASION policy that say
Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a ban or block, without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule
Maybe I did not know much about wiki-policies in July 2022, but I did not want to violate any wiki-policy. This year (May 2023) I restored the material just one time (I had forgotten about the 2022 controversies after a year) and when I was warned and was reverted I started an RFC in the talk page. - This is the second time that Iraniangal777 brings the issue of reverting the "People's Holy warriors" to AE. Vice regent's statement in the first time apply here too.
- It is a shame that some people could revert all your edits (even the sources you add, and the tags) in MEK article and you could restore none of them because of Wikipedia:Consensus required policy. But how could you reach the consensus? just look at some of the unexplained reverts done by only one user within a short period and the reasons they give for the reverts: [47][48][49][50]
Statement by Iskandar323
I'm not a personal fan of that 'restore', but this seems like a rather disparate and disjointed set of complaints, none of which amount to anything AE worthy. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Iraniangal777: You have already had one frivolous filing dismissed at this venue and @Fad Ariff: you have actively been specifically warned over such filings. I'm surprised to see either of you to so eagerly return here despite these cautionary tales of AE frivolity (not to mention Fad's impressive back history of WP:1RR violations, which I only haven't brought to this forum out of idleness). Iskandar323 (talk) 10:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Fad Ariff: Your behavioural issues in this area far exceed Ghazaalch's, and if you insist on prodding me further on this matter then I may very well summon the energy needed to bring your many behavioural shortcomings to light. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Fad Ariff
MEK troll farm does not form part of any recent or original version of the article, yet Ghazaalch added it claiming to be restoring the article to an original stable version. More:
1. During an ongoing RFC, Ghazaalch added tags to the article lead, which were reverted, but he restored them two more times: {1} {2}.
2. Ghazaalch also added to the article that "Abrahamian in his book The Iranian Mojahedin, describes the group as a cult that worships its leader, and writes that the Mojahedin were labeled a cult for both internal and external reasons: political and geographical isolation, the disappearance of the veteran leadership, the marriage of Maryam and Massoud, the prevention of internal critique (members' criticism), and a propaganda war against external critique, even if directed by the organization's members". When I reverted and challenged that edit, Ghazaalch restored it 3 more times: {1} {2} {3} (all WP:CRP).
3. Also after the last warning he received to stop casting aspersions, Ghazaalch recently said that "here are always some accounts that vote "No" without giving a plausible reason, and there are always some mediators that just count the votes while closing the RFCs
". Neither claim (against "some accounts" or "mediators") has been shown to be true. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Iskandar323 If you want to discuss our content disputes or the baseless 1RR posts you have been leaving on my talk page, then please come to my talk page or begin a separate report and I will answer there. The discussion here is about Ghazaalch. Fad Ariff (talk) 12:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Ali Ahwazi
Neither Fad Ariff's statement, nor Iraniangal's one, is AE worthy in my opinion, specifically when they were warned against filing unactionable reports before. They could have posted a note on Ghazalech's talk page instead, to inform him of Wikipedia's policy. These kinds of reports, in my opinion, and as said by others, is an attempt to take out an opponent. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 12:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by MarioGom
I would suggest giving a chance to honest discussion and compromise. Rather than further attempts ([51]) at knocking out others with wikilawyering. MarioGom (talk) 21:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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