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This page is intended to get attention quickly when dealing with personal attacks. It is not intended to serve as a form of mediation or a type of RFC. Only Personal attacks are dealt with on this page, on their own merits in accordance with Wikipedia's No Personal Attacks policy

For editors who want a personal attack situation reviewed:

  1. Consider that in most cases, ignoring the attack is better than requesting sanction against the attacker. Do not report people if you are likewise guilty of hostility towards them.
  2. Make sure the user has actually commited a personal attack. (Please note that "personal attacks" are defined only under the WP:NPA policy. If a statement is not considered a personal attack under the intended spirit of this policy, it does not belong here.)
  3. The editor must have been warned earlier. The {{npa2}}, and {{npa3}} templates may be appropriate for new users; for long-term editors, it's preferable to write something rather than using a standard template. Reports of unwarned editors may be removed.
  4. If the behavior hasn't stopped, add the following header to the New Reports section of this page in the following format:
    ==={{User|NAME OF USER}}=== replacing NAME OF USER with the user name or IP address concerned, with a brief reason for listing below. Be sure to include diffs.
  5. If an editor removes the IP or username and doesn't handle the matter to your satisfaction, take it to the editor's talk page or the administrators' noticeboard, but do not re-list the user here.
  6. NB - Due to misunderstanding of these instructions and/or mis-use of this process, comments not in strict adhereance to these instructions WILL be removed. This page deals only with personal attacks under the policy WP:NPA. Reports deemed to be inappropriate for this page are liable to be moved to an appropriate venue where one exists.


For those reported on this page:

  1. A reviewer or an administrator will review each report on this page. In dealing with the report, the contribution history of the reported user shall be checked along with the diffs provided in the report. Where no personal attack is evident, then no action will be taken - however, should an administrator see that another seperate issue is evident, appropriate action or advice for that issue may be taken/given at his or her discretion and in line with wiki policy.
  2. Reports on this page stand on their own merits in accordance with Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. As such, disputes and discussions over reports are not suitable for this page except for such comments left by admins or reviewers describing their actions and/or findings. If you notice your account reported at this page, please trust that the administrators and reviewers dealing with reports will deal with it in an even-handed and fair manner on the basis of policy alone. If you feel strongly that another "side to the story", issue, or another piece of information is missing from a report please refrain from posting here, and instead leave your comment on your talk page under the title NPA Report or another other clear and related title. The reviewing party will see this message and take it into account where applicable.

For users handling assistance requests:

  1. For each of the users linked here, open their contributions and check for personal attacks. Also check if the users have been sufficiently warned for the current personal attack and whether they've continued to commit personal attacks after being warned.
  2. Note that there is an important difference between a user who makes many good contributions and a few personal attacks, and a user whose last edits are (nearly) all personal attacks or other conflict.
  3. Do nothing, warn them again, or, if you are an adminstrator, block the user in question as you think is required. Explain things carefully to the user who listed the attacker if you feel there's been a misunderstanding.
  4. Move the report to the Open Reports section and give an update to the status of the report.
  5. Delete old reports that have been dealt with.

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86.134.83.214 (talk · contribs)

stream of personal abuse on talk:Quizzing.co.uk . I added a note on the user's talk page - responded with a stream of abuse at me. (I have absolutely nothing to do with the issue!) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ian Dalziel (talk • contribs) .

this diff definately shows 86.134.83.214 to be making personal attacks. Paul Cyr 05:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trollwatcher (talk · contribs) and 64.105.124.26 (talk · contribs)

(a banned user) is posting personal attacks about an admin on his user talk page. He is currently not logged in and is using the IP given. I have warned him (not using the templates as I didn't know where to find them until I found this page) but he is annoyed by my reverts so could an admin leave a post to confirm this is ok. Thanks Sophia Gilraen of Dorthonion 19:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User has restored the material [2] AGAIN! Help! Sophia Gilraen of Dorthonion 23:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Gnetwerker (talk · contribs)

Although not a severe personal attack, Wikitionary defines a personal attack as any comment about the commenter inorder to discredit them. Although Gnetwerker has only made two personal attacks, he has been persistant in reverting any removal of them. This situation is complex as the personal attacks arose from another dispute about two articles. I have repeatedly asked and warned the user to no avail. Although I do not expect a ban on the user, I am hoping an official notice from an admin might deter them from continuing. I also ask an admin remove the personal attacks as it would appear that I would simply be continuing an edit war. The concerning statements are as follows: "you will not like the result of the exposure of your tightly-controlled Microsoft fan pages" which blatantly implies that I am a Microsoft zealot out to protect Microsoft related pages and make them pro-Microsoft. "three editors who take a consistent pro-Microsoft positions and edit primarily Microsoft "fan" articles" which is the exact definition of a personal attack as he is saying that our comments are not as valid because he feels that we are Microsoft zealots. As I said, these are not severe personal attacks but fit the definition perfectly. Although they do not blatantly offend, they create disruption and violate Wikipedia policies. I ask that the comments be removed and the user warned. Paul Cyr 03:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not intend any comment to be a personal attack, and do not believe that any comment was a personal attack. One admin, User:Tony Sidaway, appears to agree that the comments related above were not attacks. I do believe that Paul Cyr is responding emotionally in the course of a heated discussion, and is inclined to read attacks where none were intended. In my opinion, there is a decided lack of good faith operating here, a misuse of Wikipedia process bordering on harrassment, and not a little bit of wikilawyering. Notwithstanding all of this, if any independent editor, upon review of the facts, believes that I have made an attack, I will without hesitation remove the attack and apologize. I would ask that Paul Cyr agree to the same. -- Gnetwerker 06:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, but the things you are complaining about (like this), are not even remotely personal attacks. Please reconsider your hair-trigger on WP:NPA, and get some third-party advice before making any more accusations. -- Gnetwerker 06:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's interesting that you say it's not even remotely a personal attack, yet it is almost identical to the example WP:NPA makes: "Jane is a bad editor". You don't see any similarity to "Jane is a bad editor" and "these editors are opposed to credible third party sources" (paraphrased)? Paul Cyr 18:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plea to Administrators: OK, ban me, pillory me, do whatever you want, but I am tired of dealing with this user and his accusations. If I have erred, please say so, and if not, please say that. My time spent on Wikipedia is too short to deal with high-school students who think they have been wronged by what I think is a standard give-and-take. If even a single admin says I have violated WP:NPA in this matter, I will go away, no questions asked. but please resolve! -- Gnetwerker 06:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"high-school students", not a personal attack, but why the prejudice remark? Not the most effective way to support an arguement is it? Paul Cyr 18:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I find it suspicious that you have come out of no where, not provided any detailed explaination of how those were not personal attacks and the fact that you have been accused of making personal attacks yourself. Not that accusations are convicting evidence, but I would ask that you better justify your claims and I recommend admins taking this user's comments with a grain of salt. Paul Cyr 18:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Pansophia (talk · contribs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaiser_Permanente&curid=477362&diff=53254033&oldid=53253341 etcetera. 3 warnings. Set a bad example I think. Midgley 03:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is actually Midgley. See this complaint. Also see my talk page - someone already looked into this. --Pansophia 03:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually that reference is an RFC on someone else. Nobody has "looked into this" although others have commented to various effects. Pansophia is currently blocked for violating 3RR, but that is separate from this except to the extent that a recurring pattern of baheviour affecting me and others is for that user to substitute attacks on other editors for discussion. I suspect the user was lead astray by the troll to which that RFC relates. Midgley 13:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Philwelch (talk · contribs)

Signed: Travb 13:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he said you were acting like a temperamental child. Whether or not the characterization was accurate, that is a small but significant difference. I do not see a personal attack here, at least not one egrecious enough to warrant intervention.
In any case, other aspects of this dispute are already being discussed elsewhere, and I see no reason to start a redundant discussion here. I'd suggest both of you try not to step on each other's toes for a while, and try to remember that in online communication it's quite easy to misinterpret another person's remarks. The way to keep such misunderstandings from escalating into pointless flamewars is to assume good faith, even when it seems hard to do so, and to generally try to maintain a thick skin and a calm attitude. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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