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These pages need to replace table with infobox of the same kind but I don't know which one

Kokura Racecourse, Curragh Racecourse, Curragh Racecourse, Maywood Park -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And here there is something wrong: InterConsult Bulgaria, Beaumes de Venise AOC, Costières de Nîmes AOC -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

just do this. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The first four are not that obvious. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
just do this. Frietjes (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did the second group. More:
I annotated the list, and removed a few that have already been fixed. Frietjes (talk) 15:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. There is a list of 500 pages with template programming elements which I am trying to reduce (found here). -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done There all done now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
how are they all done if they are still using tables? Frietjes (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. I was referring to the first two groups. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1950s in film too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed. Frietjes (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Frietjer, Can I ask you about the creation (edit) of sidebar with collapsible lists for the following Templates? (Template:Politics of Northern Cyprus, Template:Politics of Somaliland, Template:Politics of Transnistria, Template:Politics of Nagorno-Karabakh, Template:Politics of South Ossetia and Template:Politics of Abkhazia). These are in old form of. Thank You. Jan CZ (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

sure, I can help, but I would need to know how to divide it up into headings and lists under the headings. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have in mind the same editing style, as in the case of Template:Politics of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Your edit from 20.11. 20:38.2012. We need the one style for all politics templates (of states with limited recognition). Jan CZ (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
okay. I will have a look later. I don't have time right now. Frietjes (talk) 15:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly, no hurry. And, thank you very much. Jan CZ (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Need a favor with template collapsing!

Hi, Frietjes i have been refered to you by TonyTheTiger to help me with the collapsible option in templates. TonyTheTiger contributed here making the navbox variable by adding collapsible options. I just need a favor with Template:Abu Bakr can you help make it variable too by adding collapsible options if you are similar with the technicality?? I mean to say can the individual heads like General Information, Family etc can they be made variable with collapsible options? i have worked on it but have not been successful. Hope to hear from you soon. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

okay, I changed it to use {{sidebar with collapsible lists}}. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for the help. Please do clear two things
1.Can this ({{sidebar with collapsible lists}}) be used if the list titles are Nested like in this case and
2.Is the list height alterable or is it constant??
Thanks again for the help. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(1) yes, you can nest the template, but you have to be careful to avoid excess borders and padding. (2) yes, this can be altered either using the padding or setting a value for the "line-height" in the style. I will look at the other example later. I don't have time to do it right now. Frietjes (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clues you have been a helping hand i will try it my self and if i face any difficulty i would definitely ask you.By the way Happy New Year. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 17:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ISBN-10 and ISBN-13

Are {{ISBN-10}} and {{ISBN-13}} really needed? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In some cases, the two templates serve a need, providing a search facility for both isbns. In cases where the use of both represents article consensus, they should not be removed by an automaton or human editor. They should particularly not be removed when they were just inserted, by any editor carrying out some jihad against isbns. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, but show me where I removed an ISBN? on the other hand your revert broke citation 16. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for my multiple misunderstandings, etc. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More templates

yes, those don't collapse, so nothing to do there. Frietjes (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
yes, those don't collapse, so nothing to do there. Frietjes (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Volleyball national squad}} is used at Category:Volleyball team navigational boxes. It has show/hide.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
right now there is no |state= in that template, so passing a value for the "state" would do nothing. if someone adds |state=<nowiki</nowiki> to {{Volleyball national squad}} then we could pass a value through the templates using that template. but, until that happens, adding a value for |state= to the templates using {{Volleyball national squad}} would do nothing. Frietjes (talk) 20:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is going on at Template:AircraftDesignationNavboxShell?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
fixed, there were nested includeonly tags. Frietjes (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Season navbox}} is used by Template:NLA seasons, Template:Scottish football seasons and Template:Turkish football seasons, which have show/hide.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
added to the script. Frietjes (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Something seems wrong at Template:NLA seasons, Template:Scottish football seasons and Template:Turkish football seasons.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:19, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
now fixed. the script did not expect someone would wrap the entire navbox in one line, but now it can handle that case. Frietjes (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also check (I don't understand why some templates only accept part of the conversion) Template:Bözberg railway line, Template:Florida International University, Template:Free Studio, Template:FreeCityofDanzigHeadsofState, Template:Hauenstein railway line, Template:Higher Educational Institutions of General Santos City, Template:International cricket centuries by ground, Template:International softball, Template:International/Navistar engines, Template:Istanbul Bombings, Template:Merchant Marine Billets, Template:Metabolism, Template:Mexico City Sports, Template:Milwaukee Based Companies, Template:Molossidae, Template:Moogfest 2010, Template:Moogfest 2011, Template:Mormoopidae, Template:MVLA, Template:Mw mages, Template:Mycobacteria and Template:Distribution of languages in the world.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:33, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
these templates need to be categorised, and as a result, had no <noinclude>...</noinclude> section with categories. the best way to fix this would be to add categories in a noinclude section. however, I have added a line to the script so that it will append the missing noinclude section if it's not there. Frietjes (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Nearest star systems}} is in use at Template:Nearest bright star systems.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
since there is only one, I just fixed it by hand. Frietjes (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{NRHP navigation box}} is in use at Template:NRHP in Columbiana County, Ohio, Template:NRHP in Greene County, Ohio, Template:NRHP in Logan County, Ohio and Template:NRHP in Marion County, Ohio.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
for those templates, the parameter "state" is not the collapsible state, but the name of the U.S. state. so, the {{collapsible option}} template does not make sense. in addition when that template calls {{navbox}}, it does not pass a value for |state=, so there is no way to control the collapsible state. Frietjes (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong at Template:StonehamMA?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
fixed, the strange noinclude/includeonly construct was confusing the script, but I have made the check more robust now. Frietjes (talk) 16:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Country topics}} is used in a lot of places and many of them have CO already. You should make this template compatible with your code.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 15:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We also could use compatibility for {{Region topics}} (e.g. Template:Iraqi Kurdistan topics).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{SA district navigation box}} is used extensively at Category:South Africa district municipality templates .--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
fixed. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Template:History of the Byzantine Empire uses {{Country history}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
these are non-collapsing sidebars. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Weather box}} is used at Template:Climate of Annaba and Template:Climate of Oran.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
uses |open= and |collapsed=, and does not use |state=, so the documentation in {{collapsible option}} would not be correct for these. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Demography}} is used at Template:Demography of Annaba.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
doesn't collapse. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{military navigation}} is used at Template:Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, Template:LAF Commanders, Template:Military of lebanon navbox and Template:Knox class frigate.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
has something stopped not working? that has worked since the beginning. Frietjes (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the question.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:01, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
indeed, I am wondering why you are asking me to fix something that isn't broken. what didn't work when you tried to use the script with Template:Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, Template:LAF Commanders, Template:Military of lebanon navbox and Template:Knox class frigate? the script works for me with all of these. Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Year in football}} is used at Template:2011–12 in Iraqi football.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
will add. Frietjes (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is going on with Template:Zoos of Hong Kong and Template:Botanical gardens in Hong Kong.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:01, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the error message says "Found {{documentation}} on this page, you should add the {{collapsible option}} to the /doc page!" this means that it found {{documentation}} on this page and that you should add the {{collapsible option}} to the /doc page. Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What about {{Indian State topic}} at Template:Climate of India by state or territory and Template:Geography of India by state or territory.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
added to the script. Frietjes (talk) 19:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Politics of Germany by state uses {{Germany States topic}}--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Political divisions of Bosnia and Herzegovina BN uses {{Political divisions of Bosnia and Herzegovina}}--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Navbox Province of Italy}} is in use at Category:Italy province templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Moldova district navigation box}} is in use at Category:Moldova subdivision templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:24, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Dutch municipality}} is used widely at Category:Netherlands municipality templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:39, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{judet}} is used at Category:Romania municipality templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
no |state= in that template yet, so adding {{collapsible option}} would not make sense. Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{Ukrainian oblast}} is in use at Category:Ukraine region (oblast) templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:01, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have been getting two kinds of "Unable to determine where to add the state parameter":
From {{navbox}}: Template:Hungarian elections in Austria-Hungary, Template:Croatian elections in Austria-Hungary and Template:Cisleithanian elections in Austria-Hungary
From {{Navbox Ukraine district}}: Template:Teofipol Raion, Template:Kamianets-Podilskyi Raion, Template:Derazhnia Raion, and Template:Beryslav Raion--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the templates Template:Hungarian elections in Austria-Hungary, Template:Croatian elections in Austria-Hungary and Template:Cisleithanian elections in Austria-Hungary do not have a title bar with [show]/[hide] links so adding collapsible option there would not make sense. the template:navbox Ukraine district was just created about a day ago. I will add it to the script. Frietjes (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why does something like this not really show the collapsible option stuff: Template:Foreign relations of the Netherlands?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it had {{documentation}} on the page, which indicates that there should be a Template:Foreign relations of the Netherlands/doc page, however it does not exist. I fixed it. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why did Template:Norwegian film list let me add collapsible option?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
if you don't see [show]/[hide] links in the template, then adding the template would not make sense, since there is no collapsible state. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{riksdagsledamöter}} is used on over a half dozen templates at Category:Sweden politics and government templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to ask a new question, but think I can tag it on here - {{floristic regions}}

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 14:13, wikitime= 06:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My sandbox

Regarding this, the coordinates do need to be set to "inline,title" because, as my headings imply, these are infobox/article templates, and having to contend with one less replacement every time I perform an AWB run or create a new article is a big plus. If you can somehow <noinclude> the CAT:COORD for me, that would be great. GotR Talk 04:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cricketer

It seems now Template:Infobox cricketer duplicates some entries. Check Alfred Cochrane for instance. Any way to fix this? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mostly fixed. Frietjes (talk) 22:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:24, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Less than 150 left in Category:Infobox cricketer using deprecated parameters. Soon we can simplify the entire thing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added |living= and |partialdates=, since those are now obsolete as well. however, having there shouldn't be an issue, so I sorted them to a lower priority in the tracking category (the list at the end of the template should go from lowest to highest priority, since the last category sortkey will be the one that is used for sorting). I also simplified the transitional code so it still shows the information for the old parameters, but does not have the tortured logic to compute the age. since it's just transitional code, it shouldn't matter too much, but I wanted to make sure we weren't prematurely removing information from the infobox. also, edits sometimes get reverted, so we should keep the tracking in for some time after the parameters are removed from the infobox. Frietjes (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I removed all empty |living= and |partialdates=. We are again down to 100 pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to the help of 1ForTheMoney, the category is empty now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The tracking category is empty for a while now. Maybe it's time to simplify the infobox's code? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:27, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I gave it a try but it needs a second check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
don't see any problems. Frietjes (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hungry Bay Nature Reserve

Can you get the pin map to work on this, Paget Marsh Nature Reserve and Spittal Pond Nature Reserve please?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it in "Hungry Bay Nature Reserve", but not sure what you want in the others since they already have maps. Frietjes (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Book

There is a question on my talk page: User_talk:Magioladitis#Infobox_book. Maybe you could help? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why are you messing with the list of wars articles? B-Machine (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixing inconsistent flag sizes by changing to the standard {{flagicon image}} or {{flagicon}}, and fixing inconsistent table formatting. is there a problem? Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox embedding issues

Hey,

Regarding this: can you still reproduce? Tidy should be catching stuff like that before it hits the UA: I can confirm that I get served exactly the same source for both examples. Care to shed some light? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it's possible that the problem has been resolved, but I believe the issue was illustrated by the following three examples
notice that not all three generate the same markup for the section headings. in the first case you get a plain <th>section</th>, in the second case you get <th><b>section</b></th>, and in the third case you get a <td><b>section</b></td>. the second case is the "double bolding effect". someone else recently complained about double bolding for navbox titles. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I see it now. Hmmm, I wonder where those <b>...</b>s are coming from? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the bold tags are clearly coming from 
{{#ifeq:{{{child|}}}|yes|{{#if:{{{title|}}}|'''{{{title}}}'''}}}}
, which was probably added to mimic a table heading (added here, which was the original edit that added embedding). Frietjes (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, cheers. I'll maybe ping Plastikspork for his thoughts. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A big small help

2009–10 Damash Gilan F.C. season has 140 unclosed tags, 2010–11 Damash Gilan F.C. season has 123 unclosed tags and Assyrian politics in Iraq has 152, which increases the rendering time. Can you please help? Do you know of any tools that we could use so in the future I don't ask your help for this kind of things? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am guessing this is due to the unclosed center tags? I typically use a regular-expression search-replace tool to either close the tags or remove them. the problem is finding all of them, but I imagine there must be some HTML tidy plugin for the web browser that could help identify where they are in the text. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is both with center and small tags. I think the latter cause the main problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I could easily create a tool to close them, but usually the solution is something more elegant, like removing them or moving them to style statements for the entire table. Frietjes (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are the expert of this. Do your tricks and then I ll try to copy you. -- Magioladitis (talk)
if you look at what I did to the first table in this change, you can see that every single table cell is centered, so we can remove all the center tags and add "text-align:center" to the table heading. I also replace excessive table styling with a simple wikitable class. for the other tables, I removed the small tags since they were entirely unnecessary, and changed the default alignment to left, since there were flags in many of the table cells, which look better left-aligned. Frietjes (talk) 16:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help once more. Can you please do the other two too? I'll try to create a list with a lot of unclosed tags and try to treat them similarly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. if you have a list, I can look through it when I have time. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great. These seem to give wiki a hard time: FK Radnički Niš, Grande Fratello (season 12), HMS Lord Clyde (1864), Jimmy Connors career statistics, Journal Square Transportation Center, List of Celtic F.C. managers, List of South Korean idol groups, List of Touchstone Pictures films, List of colonial governors of Bechuanaland, List of conglomerates in Tamil Nadu, List of former cathedrals in the United Kingdom. I'll have a full list soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Magioladitis/sandbox. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 20:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
👍 Like Magioladitis (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your technical move regarding Mercedes AWG

I originally declined this move of Mercedes AMG F1 W04, but now I see that User:Prisonermonkeys is the only editor opposing the move on the talk page. So it is moved. This still leaves Prisonermonkeys the option of opening a Requested Move to move it back, I imagine. EdJohnston (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yes, this has been going on for some time. my main issue was fixing the article history. Frietjes (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of PlayStation games

Hello. Sorry to bother you, but I see you recently edited List of PlayStation games to fix a ParserFunction time error. I just tried to do the same (for item: Skeleton Warrior) but kept getting an error page when I saved. (I think it was because it was taking too long to upload.) I see two of my edits went through, the size looks ok, and it's no longer in Category:Pages_with_parser_function_time_errors, but I thought I should ask someone who can reliably edit the thing to make sure I didn't screw something up. :/ Thanks. PC-XT (talk) 08:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it looks like you did it correctly. the article is really straining the servers right now. when articles get very large, you get an error when you save them, even though the edit goes through. the real solution here is to split the article, but that would take some time and some discussion on how best to do it. Frietjes (talk) 20:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If I can help, I'll be glad to after I sort out WP:KIS. PC-XT (talk) 02:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I completely got rid of the parser function for dates and reformatted the dates as yyyy-mm-dd to display and it now sorts. I added column sorting data sort type as text and it seems to display faster. Let me know on my talk if this was ok. Lewis (talk) 12:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 3RR

I'm sorry for editwarrin' and I promise won't do it again. What I ain't understand's why the users Oknazevad and STATicVerseatide didn't receive a warning like me coz they're editwarring w/ me. Oknazevad revert'd not only me but 3 other users and he call'd me a stupid on a summary 2. I though this ain't a correct way to do things here and's complete unnecessary. On the template talk me and other 2 users agreed to add the titles. Only him voted against it but he's minority. Can u tell me how things're workin' here just for some few users? AARDJ (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

your best option is to discuss edits on the talk page if they are reverted. repeatedly making the same edit without starting a discussion is a bad idea. if other editors don't engage in the discussion, you can always ask for an administrator to intervene. Frietjes (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think u didn't get it. There's a discussion on the talk page. Me and 2 other users agreed w/ the edits and just one disagreed but these 2 users kept revertin' back. And u didn't answer me about not warn'd'em just me. And why do u let 1 o' them call me a stupid? This ain't right. AARDJ (talk) 11:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You still didn't answer me. I'm waitin' here. AARDJ (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
looking at the edit history, you have two or three editors reverting your edits, which is not a good place to be if you don't want to be blocked for edit warring. I would suggest continuing the discussion on the talk page, and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling as well. be patient. Frietjes (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I said that it's discuss'd be4 on the talk page and we reach'd a consensus there. And u still didn't answer me about the other user call me a stupid. AARDJ (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

if you feel you are still having a problem, you should consider taking it to WP:DR. I don't resolve disputes. Frietjes (talk) 19:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

knot template

please wait a second. major revamp. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

no problem, feel free to undo my edit, I can fix the below links again. Frietjes (talk) 21:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All done. I think I got all your changes included. Sorry to step on your toes, my friend. Feel free to modify what I've done. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A few redundancies like Stopper (knot) in lists group. If you don't fix that, I'll get to it later. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:53, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HTML tables to wikitables

I don't if you could help in converting HTML tables into wikitables. CHECKWIKI error 31 provides a huge list of pages with HTML tables: https://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=31 (7,000 pages!) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You might be interested in Wikipedia:AutoEd/tablestowikitext.js. It's not perfect, but it does a reasonable job of converting HTML tables to wikitables. The main thing to watch out for is when the table is being passed to a template. Other issues include if the table is indented, or wrapped in a center tag. That said, it saves quite a bit of time if you are converting one. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just a reminder that you should always check the output to make sure it looks acceptable before saving to avoid bugs like this one. I will try to fix those bugs, but there are still bugs in the code. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I am still in the experimental phase of AutoEd. I got excited when I discovered what your tool does! Please help by fixing some of the pages. :) -- 01:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
looks useful, I will see if I can interface it with my other scripts. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TY

Hi Frietjes, I just wanted to drop a note to say thank you for alerting me to my mistake. (and in a very nice way too. :)). I did reply on my talk, took a shot at fixing the RfA, and dropped a note for PS to make sure I restored his original intent. If you see anything out of order, you are most welcome to fix my mistakes or notify me at any time. Thanks again. — Ched :  ?  17:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2015 AFC Asian Cup edit

Hi, I just wanted to know why you removed the background and font colour from Template:2015 AFC Asian Cup. I see no reason to remove it and would like to revert your changes. --2nyte (talk) 03:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mostly per wp:deviations, we already have a rainbow at the bottom of the page from all the national team colours, so I don't see a reason to add more. also, most of the AFC Asian Cup templates don't have any colouring, so we should just keep them all the same. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the late response, but to your reply WP:Deviations simply states to have a color contrast between backgrounds and fonts which the template did do, and you say "most of the AFC Asian Cup templates don't have any colouring", well, most FIFA Word Cup don't have any colour but Template:2014 FIFA World Cup does. I personally find no real reason to remove any colouring from templates, unless it reduces the accessibility of Wikipedia. And as Wikipedia does not have any guidelines to govern colouring of templates as per WP:DEW again I ask to revert your changes. --2nyte (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to what I just wrote, it is generally recommended by Wikipedia not to use colouring in "dated" templates. That is probably why Template:2014 FIFA World Cup utilises colouring; it is a major world-wide event, which will receive much attention and draw to its wiki related pages. That also can be said regarding Template:2015 AFC Asian Cup. --2nyte (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the colouring should be removed from Template:2014 FIFA World Cup since none of the other world cup templates are using colouring. the wp:deviations guidelines are not just about contrast, but about presenting a unified appearance that can be easily modified by changing css files. the guidelines discourage the use of inline style statements like "titlestyle" and "basestyle" and encourage the use of "titleclass" and "baseclass", which are both set by {{navbox}}. there is no compelling reason to override the defaults. Frietjes (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the Fighting Fantasy infoboxes. Richard75 (talk) 16:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

no problem. it was a pretty easy fix since I was the one who converted them to {{infobox book}} last year. Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anakalang

Greetings, can you get the pin to work?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strange, Nvv added it. Yeah that or historic site infobox.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes, greetings. I've been meaning to drop you a line for a few weeks about navboxes. I've noticed a number of your edits to navbox templates that have removed the deprecated <font> tag and replaced it with the <span> tag via Template:Color. An unfortunate effect of this change is to remove custom coloring from the underlining in the navbox title and make it the standard wikilink blue. This often looks rather bad against the background of a custom colored title box. Is there a way to custom color the underlining using up-to-date code? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 20:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest asking at either WP:VPT or MediaWiki talk:Common.css, since there may be a global solution. if I recall correctly, the effect that you are seeing with the hover underline color can only be reliably changed by changing the attributes for the "a" tag in css. one simple solution is to remove the underlining completely, but there are almost certainly problems with that. checking this thread, it looks like they are suggesting "faking it" using a border. the broader issue is that coloring the links something other than the default is somewhat in conflict with Help:link color which says you shouldn't do that. Frietjes (talk) 21:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
as a follow-up, it appears the coloring of the underline text is completely browser-dependent. when I look at the following table,
Without using <font color="yellow"> With using <font color="yellow">
WP:VPT WP:VPT
the underline text is the same color in both cases. I am using FF on Linux. Frietjes (talk) 21:53, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll follow up on those suggestions. Yep, I had a feeling this might be browser dependent. Viewed in Google Chrome, which is my go-to, there's a difference in color. All the best, Jweiss11 (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Neath Port Talbot electoral ward

Could you replace this template and Infobox swansea electoral ward as you originally suggested? It's fine if you want to use two infoboxes. If someone doesn't like it, then that person can always try to merge them. Let me know if you need any help. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

okay, can do that, but probably not today. Frietjes (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help explain...

Hi, i have just added collapsible options to a template Template:Hadith by nesting but there is a minor error and that is an additional space that appears at the bottom of the head as one opens the list item Collections the top space is perfect but there is an additional space that appears at the bottom of the further division of list item Sunni, Shi'a, Ibadi, Mu'tazila. Can you spot the problem that makes this space appears? and kindly remove this space as it looks odd. Thanks in advance. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 18:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed the problem. Frietjes (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bothering once again can you reduce the left and right padding of the list of internal content of collection that is the list items Sunni, Shi'a, Ibadi, Mu'tazila so that they appear to be content of collection currently they appear to look odd as they have the same padding to that of "collection head", like they were in the previous version here. I am sure you get what i meant to say. Thanks. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
is it the spacing on the left and right of the content or the headings? in my browser the headings are all evenly aligned, with the same amount of spacing above and below, and on the left and right. it's hard to see if there is a difference in padding on the content sections, since there isn't a uniform visual cue like there is with the headings. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I meant to say the headings Sunni, Shi'a, Ibadi, Mu'tazila should have left and right padding lesser then the heading collection, Terminology etc (the spacing on the left and right of the headings Sunni, Shi'a, Ibadi, Mu'tazila should be reduced), the top and below padding is fine. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 11:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
now set to 2px. Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! i will take it form here. You have always been a helping hand.--Ibrahim ebi (talk) 06:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something for you:

The Template Barnstar
I've looked at your tireless contribution to templates. So i believe this barnstar should suit you. Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation

Just a big "Thank you!" for fixing the wraparaound problems on the Template:Cnservatism sidebar. Now I can expand it more happily on the political-philosophy article I've been working on for months. - Babel41 (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This "list semantics" business

Hello, Frietjes. Just to let you know I've just added a further thought to the most recent post I'd made at Template talk:Sidebar#More sophisticated default width setting? :

I sense it should be possible to maintain a {A, B, C, D,...} listing without hanging dots, but know I'll need some help to realize it. CsDix (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I keep getting wikimedia error

I'm trying to update a very large page (not a main page). Every time I try I get an error (last night and now this morning):

If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below.


Request: POST http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines/History_of_the_Philippines_(citations)&action=submit, from 112.210.86.170 via cp1013.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to 10.64.0.137 (10.64.0.137)

Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:43:46 GMT

I know there is something wrong, but I am unable to correct it. What to do? Is it wiki or is it this connection?

I could delete the page (contents) and start again as it's all in a .txt file. John of Cromer in China Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 06:53, wikitime= 22:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

if you view the page source (ctrl+U in Firefox, or right-click), and scroll down to near the bottom, but not all the way too the bottom, you will find the following comment block generated by the server:
 
NewPP limit report
Preprocessor visited node count: 687527/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 137095/1500000
Post-expand include size: 2048000/2048000 bytes
Template argument size: 2048000/2048000 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 17/40
Expensive parser function count: 0/500
basically, your problem is too many templates on the page. I will see if I can fix the core issue. on a somewhat tangential note, I would like to make a few suggestions. (1) you should really not have this in Wikipedia namespace, but in template space (2) the use of these super citation templates are generally discouraged since they are usually part of a "walled garden" of a particular segment of articles (3) a less server-taxing approach is to create a single main template, with subtemplates for each citation, like what is done with {{cite doi}}. Frietjes (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
this page may be beyond help, and may be too large to even edit. your best bet is to just restart this, but this time, I would suggest you do the following,
(1) create Template:Tambayan Philippines/History of the Philippines citations, and in there, put the following
{{#ifexist:Template:Tambayan Philippines/History of the Philippines citations/{{{transcludesection}}}
| {{Tambayan Philippines/History of the Philippines citations/{{{transcludesection}}}
}}
(2) create Template:Tambayan Philippines/History of the Philippines citations/abelardep-1, and in there, put the following
{{cite book
| title                 = American Tariff Policy towards the Philippines, 1898–1946
| first                 = Pedro E
| last                  = ABELARDE
| authorlink            = 
| publisher             = King's Crown Press
| location              = New York
| year                  = 1947
| ref                   =
}}
(3) repeat for each of the sections on that page.
(4) change {{:Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/History_of_the_Philippines_(citations)|transcludesection=agoncillo-1}} to {{Tambayan Philippines/History_of_the_Philippines_(citations)|transcludesection=agoncillo-1}} in the articles
(4) ask an administrator to delete Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines/History_of_the_Philippines_(citations)
this is a scalable solution. however, I would still like to warn you that the entire mess might be sent to TfD, since this sort of thing has been deleted in the past. Frietjes (talk) 23:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to make the opposite of a walled garden - basically a repository of researched and generally correct citations (some citations I have encountered have managed to get the author's name wrong, or the name of the work, or both!), in order to standardise what is elsewhere (and even ultimately to reduce overall storage). I'll look into your suggestion. However I would at least like to group citations by contributor.

Right now I'm on my way back to China, when I hope I'll have easier access to internet, rather than relying on snatched time or internet cafes etc. John of Cromer in China Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 07:32, wikitime= 23:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

see, for example, Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 June 22#Template:Source list, was basically the same idea but with a broader scope. Frietjes (talk) 23:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK you've convinced me. I'll bin it, when I get time. Just need to re-incorporate the citations rather than links to them. I don't think it's used many places (yet) John of Cromer in China Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 07:52, wikitime= 23:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

if you have any that are very commonly used, you may want consider keeping those. for examples, see Category:Specific-source templates, but keep in mind that whole category is in need of some clean-up due to the lack of consistency in the template names. Frietjes (talk) 23:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll keep the page as a repository, without any notion of transclusion. Incidentally, transclusion works inside comments, so I could put <!-- transcludable chunk --> and it would transclude fine (and not show on the home page, which is where the expansion problem is). John of Cromer in China Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 08:53, wikitime= 00:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

just keeping it is a list of references, without all the parserfunctions, is good idea. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox country in country articles

Here's a thought: The combination of a large {{Infobox country}} template sitting at the start of a large article on a country seems to make editing either much slower. How about giving each country's {{Infobox country}} its own template, i.e. {{Infobox Sri Lanka}}, {{Infobox Taiwan}}, {{Infobox Philippines}}, etc, etc..? CsDix (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

interesting, but this idea has been nearly uniformly rejected, with only a few exceptions. see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 August 30, for example. many more can be found with this search. Frietjes (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Semitic image array

What do you think..? CsDix (talk) 23:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your update

Interesting. Thanks for creating. CsDix (talk) 04:24, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Country topics

Hello, Frietjes. Just to say that this:

...isn't because I didn't appreciate your responding to the talk page request, but simply because I wanted to see if I could streamline your work even further.

I've been experimenting in the Country topics sandbox with trying to separate the two "below" lines (here) but presently have only got as far as producing two lines of different widths, neither of which span the template's entire width (despite using child). See the United States topics testcase here. (It has, though, led me to make this edit request.)

Hope all well, CsDix (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


You have new message/s You have a new message at CsDix's talk page.

KAIB

You're right, we don't need citations in DAB pages. I was just making it easy for me; what I meant was (as I wrote in the edit summary) there's nothing about KAIB in the target article. What I meant was that it may make sense for an informed editor – such as you – to add it appropriately to the corresponding article Air 1. Cheers! — Sebastian 00:22, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Testing new Weather_box/coltest

Thanks for reverting Template:Weather_box/colpastel, where I had completely forgotten about the hundreds of blank values in actual use. Perhaps the #iferror must be kept. Meanwhile, instead of another try, I am developing a separate "test" color style ("/coltest"), to first check within various of the live articles, before attempting another update to the current "/colpastel". See:

I have already changed the various Template:Weather_box subtemplates to allow color-style code as "test" in 16 places, so we can save changes to "/coltest" (and clock timing tests there), then later check edit-preview of numerous articles with weather_box color "test" before changing an actual color-style template, such as /colpastel or /colt, etc. Again, thanks for reverting the invalid {Weather_box/colpastel} version. Long-term, I think we can optimize these color-style templates to process each {Weather_box} 2x faster (reduce time from 4 as 2 seconds) without using Lua yet. -Wikid77 (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Bot

Could a bot do what I am doing?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

probably, but that would require making a formal bot request. Frietjes (talk) 16:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be willing to give up your script to a bot writer?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
yes, it's freely available there at User:Frietjes/TT.js. Frietjes (talk) 21:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want to make a bot request?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
no, I would rather not. I don't see it as being a high priority, since the default collapsing logic in {{navbox}} works well in most cases. Frietjes (talk) 21:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category templates

Fascinating what you've done with all those Category templates I changed. Can you explain how the core template works?—GoldRingChip 21:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the idea is to only compute the place and year once, then pass that to the /core template. this should reduce the server load since it only needs to do the computation once. Frietjes (talk) 21:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea! Thanks for your smooth solution.—GoldRingChip 21:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

what does the parameter "noredlinks" do?—GoldRingChip 01:19, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it's explained in the documentation. Frietjes (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I don't understand. The documentation says it supresses redlinks, but how? And where is the coding for it, so I can learn more?—GoldRingChip 01:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
the code is in Template:Category elections by year/core. if you look you will find constructs of the form
{{#if:{{{noredlinks|}}}
  |{{#ifexist:Category:{{{place}}} elections, {{{year}}}
     |[[:Category:{{{place}}} elections, {{{year}}}|{{{year}}}]]
     }}
  |[[:Category:{{{place}}} elections, {{{year}}}|{{{year}}}]]
}}
this says if |noredlinks=y (or any other non-blank value) then check to see if the category exists. if the category exists, then display the link to the category. if it does not exist, then do nothing. however, if noredlinks is not set, then simply display the link even if the category does not exist. Frietjes (talk) 15:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsed infoboxes

You seem to be a very technical kind of a gal, so perhaps you can explain something to me. Why is the discussion of infoboxes, collapsed or otherwise, conflated with the emission of metadata for the potential use of third-party sites? Is there any good reason at all to consider the two as in some way related? And to expand a little on that, if articles contained "proper" metadata, and there was a "proper" visual editor, then wouldn't it be just as easy to generate infoboxes on the fly from that metadata if readers wanted to see them, rather than all of the infoboxes we have now? Or am I dreaming, or perhaps maybe have had one glass of wine too many? (If the latter, then I have to warn you that I'm just about to have two glasses of wine too many. :-) ) George Ponderevo (talk) 22:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) that's a tricky question with differing answers depending on who you ask. there are different kinds of third-party sites, which use WP in differing ways. some third-party sites, like DBpedia, only require that the information is in a template, and they harvest that information by reading the wikitext directly. other third-party sites, and browser plugins, use the microformat class information emitted by the templates to parse the generated HTML to get this meta-data. so, some are using the pre-parsed wikitext, and others are using the post-parsed html. now where things get contentious has to do with the human readability of the meta-data. basically, the concern is that if the meta-data is hidden from the editor, that the editor will have no incentive to update it. so, the meta-data will become out-of-sync with the article text. this is clearly an issue with templates like {{persondata}}, since the meta-data is only visible to the human editor while editing the article. even in this case the {{persondata}} template does generate html, it's just set with a display:none style to make it invisible to the average editor. however, you could override this style and make even the persondata visible. just like you could make collapsed boxes uncollapsed, and other hidden content unhidden. I have no real strong opinion either way, but I do dislike it when editors with an agenda are not entirely truthful about the situation. the fact that hidden information can become out of sync with the visible information is a legitimate concern. however, the statement that third-party sites cannot parse hidden information is false. Frietjes (talk) 22:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(responding further) the infobox essentially is holding the meta-data by creating a relationship between a label, like birth_date, and data, like January 1, 1950. it has been suggested that much of this information could be migrated to wikidata.org, in the same way that the interwiki links have already been migrated. an infobox could then grab this information from wikidata on-the-fly, and generate an infobox. as it stands right now, any editor can make infoboxes invisible if he/she does not want to see them by modifying his/her on personal style sheet. for example, if you look at User:Frietjes/vector.css, you will see that I have changed the default colouring for navboxes and redirects. I could just as easily add 'display:none" to .infobox to make infoboxes disappear. or, I could add something to my personal .js file to make all infoboxes collapsed. the argument here is what should be the default experience for the default (and not-logged-in user). Frietjes (talk) 22:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's partly what I meant about a "proper" visual editor, one that makes the metadata easily available to editors as opposed to hiding it in persondata templates for instance, that hardly anyone ever looks at except when they create an article. I wonder why Wikidata, for instance, doesn't make it a priority to create some kind of dictionary for Wikipedia metadata? Even within the field of English country houses we have a conflict between "governing body" in one template and "owner" in another. These just seem like very basic problems to me, that were there a will to do so could be easily resolved, and Wikipedia could then make a standardised API available instead of relying on third parties to use all the kludges they have to do now. George Ponderevo (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
adding more than interiki links is one of their priorities. but, for now, they are probably concentrating on getting the interwiki linking for all the different languages and exporting that information to all the various WPs. and, probably making sure the servers don't melt in the process. moving more of this stuff to wikidata does make sense, since it's a far cleaner API to query, and helps with creating articles on other WPs. you can see part of what they have planned in the article on Wikidata. there is also the FAQ on wikidata.org. Frietjes (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if the Wikidata people and the visual editor people are talking to each other, as it seems to me that in some fundamental sense the success of one is linked to the success of the other, as metadata doesn't write itself. George Ponderevo (talk) 22:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar for you!

The Template Barnstar
Thanks for your help to improve the Adopt-a-typo template. Much appreciated! Jason Quinn (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Vlist

I see you've managed to get this deleted despite one opinion in its favo/ur. There would've been at least one more, had the process been less... clandestine.

By the same token, I imagine there's a proposal somewhere to delete / rename {{hlist}}..?

In the meantime, I'll try {{vunblist}} as a redirect to {{unbulleted list}} that at least indicates (albeit cryptically) the key vertical nature of the template.

If there's a class "hlist" and accompanying template "hlist", let's have a class "vlist" and accompanying template "vlist". (And, if bullets are that important, a class "vblist" and template "vblist".)

CsDix (talk) 02:27, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template category names

Hello again, Frietjes.

Spot the odd one out:

  • Category:Topic infobox templates
  • Category:Topic navigational boxes
  • Category:Topic sidebar templates
  • Category:Topic timeline templates
  • Category:Topic inline templates
  • etc.

What do you think..?

CsDix (talk) 21:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was told that 'navigational boxes' includes both {{navbox}} and {{sidebar}} templates, since they are simply horizontal and vertical versions of the same thing (see Wikipedia:Navigation templates). if you want to change the classification scheme, I would suggest starting an RfC or something. however, the current naming convention does not include "navbox templates", as can be seen by a simple search that only returns recently created categories. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I created those categories to see how a more robust system might work. Meanwhile, I've just placed this in the "Categories for discussion" area – your point about taking "navigational boxes" to mean either/both Navboxes and Sidebars would already be useful there. (To which, in so many words, I would respond "Let's always include the keyword "templates" in the names; let's make/keep a distinction between navboxes and sidebars..?") Thanks for your input. CsDix (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Avoiding a "hardcoded" background colo/ur

Hello again, Frietjes.

If, for example, I want to avoid... 

|listNstyle = background:#ddf;

...or even... 

|listNstyle = background:#eef;

...by using something like... 

|listNclass = navbox-[something]

...what should the [something]/s be..? (Toying with "navbox-subgroup" doesn't seem to've worked...)

CsDix (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the best way to do this right now is to use a navbox subgroup, so either
or
the advantage of the first version is that it preserves the table grouping, since the headings are grouped with the groups/lists. the advantage of the second version is that it preserves the group alignment without having to use |groupwidth= in the subgroups. at one point in time I was toying around with a way to make a subgroup template that would just add more groups/lists to an existing navbox, to avoid the 'groupwidth' issue, but gave up on it since it didn't seem there was that big of a need for it. the main problem with setting the groupwidth is that it will always be browser dependent. just like the problem we currently have with the [show]/[hide] links overlapping the list titles in {{sidebar with collapsible lists}}, although that one is certainly fixable with some more advanced coding. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the explanation. I wondered if one of those simple "...class = navbox-..." declarations was available, but at least I know now what to do if I come across the need. (Fortunately, it seems pretty rare.) CsDix (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    in the ideal situation, you would be able to indicate the relationship between the label and the data for each pairing. simply using css classes to achieve a colour scheme does not change the underlying table structure. it would be great to say that navbox achieves this pairing, but with the blank rows for spacing (gaps between rows), and other issues, it's not really there. however, using subgroups does at least indicate a pairing in the code, and should be possible in theory to make the navbox template generate logical markup, complete with 'scope' statements. there is also the issue that you have noticed where you cannot change some colouring since the default class interferes with the specified class. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"references" tag

If / when I come by one of these <references/> tags, should (for the sake of accessibility?) I change it to {{reflist}}..? CsDix (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it's really a personal preference, although I have never see anyone change {{reflist}} to <references />. I have seen some discussion of making <references /> render the same as {{reflist}}, but that hasn't happened yet. the main thing would be to change <div style="font-size ..."><references /></div> and <div class="references-small"><references /></div> with {{reflist}}. Frietjes (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If by render you mean font-size wise, that's been implemented for a while. --Izno (talk) 17:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
actually, I meant more broadly, since {{reflist}} currently generates an outer <div class="reflist" style="list-style-type:decimal;">...</div>, but your point that the default font-size is the same for both is well taken. Frietjes (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PS Intrigued to see you've decided not to add anything here. CsDix (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
my only opinion is that whatever convention is used, it should be the same across all of WP, and if the categories are going to be massively renamed, a bot should do it. you might get more response in a forum with more visibility, or starting an WP:RFC. Frietjes (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RFC – okay, I'll think about that. Thanks for the advice. CsDix (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think?

I came across a humongous table. Obviously it can't continue like that (because it can't be printed), and equally obviously (to me) it needs to be split down the middle. My first thought was to break it into two separate tables – raw numbers and percentages (?‍permilliardages‍?). But then I was thinking to go the extra mile, and rework the data into two lines per country. Would that be a better solution? I guess it depends on what use the table is put to – if the primary aim is country comparison of ratios, then maybe that's not so good. Another option could be some kind of vertical collapsing, but that wouldn't solve the underlying problem of printing. Do you have anything to say? John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Tue 19:36, wikitime= 11:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you should start a thread on the talk page. the problem with two lines per country is that it would probably break the sortable feature. collapsing it won't fix the print version, since you cannot collapse in print. you can check the printable version from the export tab on the left side of the page. I would think reducing it to fewer years of data would probably be the best idea (say just 2007 - 2010). Frietjes (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I tried exporting it and it printed fine, just one page wide but still readable. 4 or 5 pages long though, and with both a widow and an orphan, so I think I'll try some css to force page throw first. Do you happen to know if table headers can be specified to appear on each page? - could be part of wikitable spec., or maybe some esoteric css. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 12:44, wikitime= 04:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
no idea, try reading this or try asking at WP:VPT? Frietjes (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Break tags in Infobox Christian leader

{{Infobox Christian leader}} needs some adjustment to include break tags in honorific-prefix the same way {{Infobox officeholder}} does. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I discovered this problem while trying to remove break tags: [8] -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
that template is fully protected, so I can't really help you. Frietjes (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you provide me a sandbox, I can finish the job. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New U.S. legislative data project

Hi there, Frietjes! I'm working with a group of Wikipedians on a Legislative Data Workshop to explore ways of using legislative data to enhance Wikipedia, and since it's a subject area you've been active with, I figured you might like to know of it. We've set up a provisional WikiProject at Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Federal Government Legislative Data (WP:LEGDATA) where we're developing new ideas, so if you'd like to offer your views or help out, we'd love to have you join! Cheers, WWB (talk) 18:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scholar

User_talk:Magioladitis#Template:Infobox_scholar. Can you please review this request? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tech check?

Hi. First of all thanks for your help with all the technical aspects of collapsing info boxes!

I wonder if I could ask your help? Following a discussion here I have made Template:Infobox orchestra. Before everyone jumps on me to say it is not constructed properly(!), i wonder if you might have time to look it over? I'd appreciate it if you have time to do this. --Kleinzach 05:32, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

looks fine. you could probably remove the | class2 = nickname, since the class is in the span statement as well. I will put it on my watch list. Frietjes (talk) 15:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Much appreciated. --Kleinzach 16:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sri Lankan Civil War

Hello, Frietjes:

What makes this browser-dependent?

CsDix (talk) 18:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the place where the list wraps is browser dependent, so there is no reason to force it to wrap in a particular place. Frietjes (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the place where the list wraps font-type and font-size dependent rather than (or, at least, more than) browser-dependent..? CsDix (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
depends on browser, browser width, font-size, font-type, letter spacing, operating system, zoom level, ... so even more reason to not force the point of line wrap. Frietjes (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay... I think. Thanks. CsDix (talk) 18:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TFD replacement of WPXBOX

You added Xbox-importance, which doesn't exist in T:WPVG (and which IIRC is not planned to be implemented). Just an FYI going forward. --Izno (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox campground

I may have undone what you did on that template. Please feel free to fix it. Also, I'd like to have the sample of the infobox reappear like it was in this version. Any other help with the clean-up is appreciated. --evrik (talk) 14:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

no problem. Frietjes (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Template Barnstar
For your work with {{Infobox campground}}, thanks! --evrik (talk) 16:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something is wrong there but I could not fix it

Big Brother 1 (Canada). -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the unclosed {{sortname| was doing nothing, so I removed it. Frietjes (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{image array}} on Argentine American.

First of all, I'd like to thank you for your edits to the article, which you no doubt consider to be useful and productive. That being said, I would like to clarify what I think about your inclusion of {{image array}}. The fact that there is a table or not is wholly irrelevant to me. Rather, I am concerned with the way the images are arranged and how said arrangement looks; specifically, the unnecessary visual tension due to the reduced space between the description of an image and the image itself. Having read the documentation of the template, it appears that there is no way to modify the pixels between both elements; that was the sole reason why I reverted your edits. Considering that you are the creator of said template, perhaps you could add said functionality to it. I am also not sure what you mean with "per database report identifying use of raw HTML tables in articles". --190.19.77.29 (talk) 01:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the problem is that the images do not all have the same aspect-ratio, so while the width/height ratio may match for most of them, it will not match for all of them. the solution is to either (a) create a cropped version of the images that do not conform, or (b) create a larger composite image and ditch the template. the previous use of a raw html table has a few problems, (1) it separates the image from the text, so they are not logically connected, (2) it throws the article into a database report which identifies the use of raw html tables in articles, (3) it generates a less uniform appearance across articles that use image arrays, (4) it is harder to edit, since the images are not logically connected to the captions, and the image sizes have to be specified multiple times. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion over the Name of the topic

Hello Miss, Frietjes

Miss Frietjes, Thank you for your recent edits, but it seems that there is a little confusion about over the name of the topic Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce. well in your last edit you have said that the name in the site of the school is given as Dr. Antonio da Silva Technical High School and Junior College and the site says "Welcome to Dr. Antonio da Silva Technical High School.. but if you see their Introduction section you will find out that the name of the official name of the school is actually Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce. and it is said in the website :: About the Dr. Antonio Da Silva Technical High School and Junior College this confusion may be Occurred because the site is maintained by its Sister school the Dr. Antonio Da Silva Technical High School and Junior College of Science and the true name of the main school is Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce as you can see in the Logo of the school which is given above the Crest of the School.If you find it Convincing Pleas undo your edit.For any further Information or to discussion please leave a message on my talk page.

Your Great fully,

Akshay b patil (talk) 16:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Miss, Frietjes

Miss Frietjes, Thank You for your reply, but now i am also in the question whether the name of the school is Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce or Dr. Antonio da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce because i found on different site that both the names are used and when i found out that in their School Calender Manual in the year 2006,2008 print the name was used as Dr. Antonio da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce and in the year 2005, 2007,2009 and 2010 print the name was used as Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce.so the subject can not be solved till i ask my old Teachers from the School and then only the issue can be solved.

Your Great fully,

Akshay b patil (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent capitalisation, punctuation, and spelling are clearly not a top priority in this area (e.g., missing spaces after commas and periods). Let me know if you find a reliable source. Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, for your co-operation Miss Frietjes,

I have talked to my teacher on the phone and she said that the school Official name is Dr. Antonio Da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce and not Dr. Antonio da Silva High School and Jr. College of Commerce and when i asked that where i can found the a reliable source. The answer from my teacher was no reliable source can be found because it's Sister School Dr. Antonio da Silva Technical High School and Junior College of Science was register in the manner of da and not in Da as the main school was registered. So no reliable source can be added on article.

Your Great fully,

Akshay b patil (talk) 16:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So there is a problem, since the article uses several different forms of capitalisation for the sister school, the school, and the person. By the way, I didn't know the founders were saints? They are listed as patron saints in the infobox. Frietjes (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Frietjes,

I think i have found reference that will tell the correct name of the school.If you see the reference 20 an 24 you will find the the correct name of the school and the respective reference are trust worthy because they are from the Mumbai Mirror and Mid Day respectively and the confusion between the fonder is clear and thank you for you help.

Your Great fully,

Akshay b patil (talk) 20:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Frietjes,

I have finally added an image that will show you the Name of the School unluckily the image is taken the day after the 2011 Mumbai bombings plot occured in the front of the school luckily no Students, Teaching staff or the Staff was injured or dead but 50 peoples were injured it happend on 13 July, 2011 19:06 IST. If this blast occured 15 Minutes earlier Hundred of students may have injured and a large a amount of human lives have been gone that day.The day was the worst day of the school History and also the worst day of our life.

Your Great fully,

Akshay b patil (talk) 21:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

sounds like you are making progress. thanks for expanding the article. Frietjes (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot for [9] ! JelgavaLV (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Smile for ya

 Hello Frietjes, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 15:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Two requests

Hello, Frietjes – hope all is well.

When you have a moment, I'd appreciate what you make of the following two situations: first, some Navbox backgrounds that seem to've disappeared; and, second, is it possible to compress (remove the repetition) in the "Cause/s" code (label/data5) here?

CsDix (talk) 07:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I, personally, don't see an visual difference between the before and after in your navbox diff (but keep in mind my vision isn't as functional as other editors). as far as the repetition goes, could you provide an input example that creates this repetition? Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the navbox report. Were you looking using a PC or Mac (and, if a Mac, which browser)..?
Regarding the "repetition", sorry not to be clearer: what I mean is whether something like a single #switch that takes the three parameters (cause/cause1, cause2, cause3) in turn is possible rather than the current three separate but identical #switch:es..? CsDix (talk) 06:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I typically use FF on Linux, but I have access to a Windows 7 PC. the infobox aircraft occurrence looks complicated. I don't immediately see a way to split it up, but I haven't looked at it in too much detail. Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I was wondering if something might occur to you at such a glance, but it hasn't – which is fine. Once it's time to ask for the sandbox version to be implemented, I think I'll leave the cause1 #switch spaced as currently while compressing the spacing in the identical cause2 and cause3 #switch:es. CsDix (talk) 16:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Philosophy topics

I wonder if this template might work better as a Navbox-with-collapsible-sections – or is simply too big..? CsDix (talk) 06:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

splitting it into multiple, more targeted navboxes would probably be the best idea. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps I'll split it into some "Navbox |child" sections rather than Navbox-with-collapsible-sections, so they'll be easier to separate (if that's what people want). CsDix (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Attention, navbox fundi

There is a problem with Template:Current Police and Crime Commissioners of England and Wales and I can't see how to fix it. I suspect it is arising from lua.

Basically, this uses {{navbox with columns}} for three columns, then a summary line as "below", followed by {{reflist|group=note}}. I guess it used to work.

But now the {{reflist}} is being ignored; I tried <references /...> but it made no difference. It looks OK if you just go to the template, but when you try to edit then you get the error stuff. Effect is to cause all its users, i.e. every Police Commisioner page, to appear on the Category:Pages with missing references list.

I left a message on the talk page, but it looks like no-one ever visits - I was the first. I'm telling you because I know you're generally involved in navboxes. Or failing that, that you know someone who is.

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Tue 19:43, wikitime= 11:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

using <ref>...</ref> in navboxes is a bad idea, since they are typically placed after the Reference section. also, the use of group=note is also a bad idea, since there may be other uses of group=note elsewhere in the article. I switched it to use a standard sup ref with note.Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why didn't I think of that, instead of banging my head on the desk an hour?! There's none so blind as those who cannot see...
It wasn't my doing, it just started not working. I'm sure it's lua-based, but who cares?!
Thanks
John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Wed 00:32, wikitime= 16:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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