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Immune by Philipp Dettmer
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Read 2 times. Last read November 21, 2021.

FIRST THE GOOD: This is the simplest explanation of the immune system that I've ever come across that doesn't gloss over the startling complexity of the innate and adaptive immune responses. Dettmer uses simple metaphors to visually explain impenetrable terminology so that even a lay person can understand what is happening. MHC Class II receptors are hotdog buns, antigens are hotdogs, MHC Class I molecules are portholes into the cellular machinery. These simple visualizations really help, as do the illustrations that pull from the brilliance of the Kurgzesagt channel. I also loved the footnotes that delve into fascinating asides and yet keep the overall story (can you call it a story?) on track.

THE LESS THAN GOOD: Once Dettmer was done explaining the immune pathways--about three quarters of the way through--some of his takeaways start to lose focus. This is because his intensely reductionist lens that focuses primarily on pathways, has trouble taking in the big picture. It's not exactly Dettmer's fault--this is the way that every immunology textbook and class I've come across also treats the topic. But it leads to a really strange cyclical logic.

For instance: throughout the book he writes that the immune system is absolutely not conscious--and that immune cells are basically mindless robots whose amazing adaptive properties emerge out of mechanical complexity. And yet he (and every immunologist I've met) can't resist anthropomorphizing cellular action--by calling macrophages angry, having one cell tell another to do something, communication across the system, recognizing self and other, and a hundred other examples. Somehow cells "make decisions" and also are "mindless robots". In this framing, the adaptive and innate immune system is just an assemblage of parts, which I think misses the point that it's all connected to an unarguably conscious human. Just because we (sort of) understand how those parts fit together doesn't mean that absolute reductionism is the only way to understand it--indeed, as he demonstrates, we don't even have the language to discuss how an unconscious immune system functions.

This becomes problematic when he begins to scale up to takeaways. For instance, the book takes casual aim at the wellness industry by suggesting the very idea of "boosting" the immune system is on its face nonsensical and even dangerous. Then, on the very next page (p281 para 3) he writes "working out also directly boosts your immune system", contradicting the thesis of the chapter. Then he says diet doesn't really matter as long as you eat sensibly. But what sensible eating means is lost in a casual wave of the hand. His point does stand that there are a lot of people who take advantage of scientific sounding language to sell products, but that really requires a medical anthropological lens more than the tight focus on receptor chains.

In the section on "Stress and the Immune System" he makes another major error. He correctly notes that stress suppresses the immune system, and how we got here evolutionarily, but then makes a totally crazy statement that the best way to counteract that effect is to further reduce external stress. So instead of building resilience by exposing yourself to physical stress so that your immune system doesn't react to it so strongly, the suggestion is to further retreat from the world so that when some external force does act on the body you're not ready for it.

IN A NUTSHELL: Overall this book is excellent. I'd recommend it to absolutely anyone who wants to try to understand all the moving parts of the universe inside your body that keeps you alive. The takeaways should be taken with a pinch of salt.

WHY ONE STAR?: Simply because you, dear review reader, probably sort by one star reviews to see the worst criticism and that's a little unfair. Five star reviews are often too enthusiastic to be taken seriously, and one star reviews are usually too angry to be useful. He already had more than enough 5 star reviews to have a nice rating overall and I wanted this review to be useful. In truth, this is a very good book.
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message 1: by Vaibhav (new) - added it

Vaibhav Tripathi Wow! What a review. I really wanna read this book now.

Question: if you think this book is bit inaccurate, which more accurate book you recommend on the subject?


Scott Carney Vaibhav wrote: "Wow! What a review. I really wanna read this book now.

Question: if you think this book is bit inaccurate, which more accurate book you recommend on the subject?"


There are a ton of immunology textbooks out there. But I don't have specific recommendations. This one is great.


message 3: by Denise (new)

Denise Scott, thanks for the enlightened review. You not only stated your opinion, but went the extra mile to pull an example in the author's words, and even though you gave a one star review, still value the overall apparent quality of the work.


Gail Well played.


message 5: by PET (new) - added it

PET You evil evil person!


Putri Dewi 😆 How manipulative! Happy new year for you! 🥳


Generally Unpopular Opinion Fair play; I think enough time has passed for you to change your review now, if possible.

I see your point about the personification of cells, however, don't fully agree. I believe that the contradiction is played just fine. I think the average pragmatic reader will be able to discern the true meaning of Detmer's allegory.


Doncho Angelov Great review. Although 1⭐️ only, it's actually a praise for the book. Thank you!


Mike Wow imagine being so self centered that you 1-star someone else's work just to get eyeballs on your review. What a class act.


message 10: by Scott (new) - rated it 1 star

Scott Carney Mike wrote: "Wow imagine being so self centered that you 1-star someone else's work just to get eyeballs on your review. What a class act."

If anything this review helps him. Also, I wrote Dettmer afterwards to ask if he wanted me to change the rating.


Kayra Üçkılınç Your intention might be good but I firmly disagree with your usage of star system. This makes you look like an egoistic douchebag. You giving out one star DOESN'T help to the author in any way. Keep reading maybe your view changes about some stuff


Aaron Bopp Excellent usage of the star system, I was totally got! I am sure that Phillip would appreciate the criticism. I would say that while it doesn't really address your concerns with anthropomorphizing, the reason we fall to this is actually less about understanding and more about memory. It is definitely possible to explain the underlying science at a low level, but personifying it and turning it into a narrative makes it much more likely to stick in our brains.


Bon Tom Well this is abuse of the rating system if I ever saw one.


message 14: by Ryan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ryan Victor This was an excellent use of the ratings system. I read the review all the way through when I never would have for a four star review. These are valid criticisms for a book that does an excellent job at explaining the complexity of the immune system to lay readers. However, those same readers might be confused by the anthropomorphizing of biochemistry, which is nearly unavoidable. Still a great read though.


message 15: by D (new)

D Nice twist at the end here. So are you saying the guy is anti-vaxx?


Cassandra Awesome review!! 👏🏻


message 17: by Ann (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ann Rader I just started reading this book and am having trouble with all the cute similes and over simplification. The last thing i wanted to read was a five-star review.


Generally Unpopular Opinion Ann Rader, if you wanted a collegiate level study, you could have read that. Instead, you chose to read a science communication book famous for its cute similes and over simplification. The last thing I wanted to read a was a review like yours.


Nicholas this book is the best honestly!


message 20: by Elentarri (new)

Elentarri Thank you for the helpful review. If it had been a 5 or 4 star review I wouldn't have picked it out of all the other 5 star reviews and would have missed it.


message 21: by Rob (new)

Rob Hahaha. More powerful than a 5 star review. Reading reviews is getting trickier by the day.


Glynn So you actually think this is a 5 star book but give it 1 star so your review is read. Interesting concept!


message 23: by Alice (new)

Alice Domenis I understand why you gave it 1 star, but it is not fair to the author :-(


Gunnar I find your 1 star rating and your reasons for it to be pretty pathetic and petty.

The author explains perfectly why he anthropomorphizes things. Regarding your boosting contradiction well it depends on what is your baseline. Are we suppressing our immune system with lack of activity or are we boosting it with activity? Looking at evolution activity was probably the normal state of things. So exercise boosts our system to baseline, not above it.


message 25: by Elentarri (new)

Elentarri The book has a 4.61 average rating. I doubt this one rating had much effect. And the review is more important than the rating. I want to know WHY someone gave a book (any book) whatever rating they gave.


Diogo Ribeiro No fair to the autor! But a really good review


message 27: by Jorge (new) - added it

Jorge Rocha Scott, you marketer!!! very good loool


message 28: by Paul (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul That was a superb review and mechanism (1 star) to get it read. Your logic is flawless and you elucidate clearly, the contradictions without tearing up the whole. Nicely written Scott.


message 29: by Guille (new) - added it

Guille Grunwaldt It's sad that you have to one star a book to get people to read it, and it speaks more about you than anyone else.
Also, contacting the author with a "do you want me to change it?" does not excuse this.
I hope you understand what this behavior sets you up to.


Amelia Durham Wow that was manipulative.


message 31: by Elentarri (new)

Elentarri Good grief! There are a whole lot of humourless people on here. 😮


Jeroen Roelofs Haha, nice review. But read the book first, added a score, read the first 5 star reviews, after the two and ending here with this one star of yours. I added a like to further boost your 1 star tactic further to the top.


Averly Wilke Regarding the stress, he stated it was psychological stress in both his words and examples such as the stressing over a test example. I mean, that’s just standard advice from any medical professional, that removal of external stressors like abusive people and burnout work will completely remove a lot of your negative physical responses to the stress


Benjamin Clickbait review


message 35: by Lucy (new) - added it

Lucy Willow I see you copped some criticism for the 1 star thing but I thought it was great! (I’m reading the book now)


message 36: by Brad (new)

Brad Bradmus and this, children (digital head pat), is how you go about writing a review, excellent stuff. 10/10


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