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Peace Talks (The Dresden Files, #16)
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May 21, 2014
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Update 7/20/20: No fifth star here, folks. What we've got here is a part one of two situation. This is basically the first book in a duology inside the series proper, with Battle Ground being part two. We now know why the surprise second book! And I can't fully judge this one until I see how (most of) it turns out. Luckily September 29th isn't that far away.
I had to step away from this one for a bit to try and see what Butcher was going for, since it's such a huge change of format for him. All previous Dresden Files books have contained a full story arc, wherein the temporary bad guy or crisis is resolved or defeated, but that is not the arc this book employs at all, and it's jarring, and depending on how you feel about waiting two months for another book to finish up the main conflict, may make or break the book for you. A good way to explain is like those special two-parters you sometimes get on TV shows, where the first episode sets up the conflict, and part two resolves it. Because I spent last weekend finally finishing Picard, I will use an example from that show as well as Star Trek: TNG. Think "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I," which finished up season three of that show with an unprecedented cliffhanger (beware thirty year old spoilers): (view spoiler) , and fans had to wait for season four to premiere to find out what happened. Or for a less extreme and possibly more applicable example, the finale of Picard which aired two weeks apart.
That's what you get when you are reading this book. If waiting sounds terrible, it may or may not be a good idea for you to wait until Battle Ground is published on 9/29, so you can just go straight to the conclusion from the end of this one.
But, this book also does have its own arc, and it's run in parallel between two very surprising characters: Lara Raith and Ebenezar McCoy. I'm going to get into mondo-spoiler territory while talking about this, but for non-spoiler purposes, Harry's relationship with both of them takes on a different flavor, and indicates further that Butcher is moving the series closer and closer to his eventual endgame, and that he is more and more interested in changing the status quo and allowing not only Harry to grow emotionally, but other characters as well.
(view spoiler)
I didn't actually plan to write an enormous analysis of this book and its characters arcs. It just sort of sat in my brain, and came out while I was thinking what to type. Ultimately, I think this book was successful, if you don't judge it by the metrics you are used to judging a Dresden Files book by. It does a good job of setting up conflicts, breaking things and putting them back together in new ways, and I'm very curious to see what is put back together by the end of Battle Ground, and what is still broken.
Some miscellaneous thoughts:
*I'm not the only who noticed that Harry is worse than usual this book in his noticing of women sexually, but he seems to be trying to get it under control, which makes me think it's the Winter Mantle more than anything, bringing out Harry's worst impulses and trying to get him to give in to it. We'll see.
*Molly isn't in this one as much (hoping for way more in Battle Ground) but when she is here, it's significant. In particular, her emotional crisis when Harry confronts her about not having told her family she's the Winter Lady.
*I'm a little worried about Murphy, to be honest. She and Harry have made so much progress as a couple, and they really seem to have hit their stride, on their way to an emotionally stable and supportive romantic partnership. Do not kill Murphy, Butcher! Or, at least not permanently!
*Some really cool stuff with the knights. I have theories about that third sword.
*Thomas :(
*The fucking White Council still doesn't trust Harry, despite all he's done for them. I wonder how much of that is fear and idiocy, and how much is Black Council interference.
*Some very interesting worldbuilding, re: Harry slipped in here!
*There's a new character called Freydis, and I basically love her. There's a moment involving a "romance novel" she writes, and she's so proud of herself I just wanted to hug her from affection in that moment.
[4.5 stars]
Update 7/24/19:
RELEASE DATE SOON.
- - -
That title is ironic, right?
[insert pause here]
Hahahahahaha, who am I kidding. Of course it is.
I had to step away from this one for a bit to try and see what Butcher was going for, since it's such a huge change of format for him. All previous Dresden Files books have contained a full story arc, wherein the temporary bad guy or crisis is resolved or defeated, but that is not the arc this book employs at all, and it's jarring, and depending on how you feel about waiting two months for another book to finish up the main conflict, may make or break the book for you. A good way to explain is like those special two-parters you sometimes get on TV shows, where the first episode sets up the conflict, and part two resolves it. Because I spent last weekend finally finishing Picard, I will use an example from that show as well as Star Trek: TNG. Think "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I," which finished up season three of that show with an unprecedented cliffhanger (beware thirty year old spoilers): (view spoiler) , and fans had to wait for season four to premiere to find out what happened. Or for a less extreme and possibly more applicable example, the finale of Picard which aired two weeks apart.
That's what you get when you are reading this book. If waiting sounds terrible, it may or may not be a good idea for you to wait until Battle Ground is published on 9/29, so you can just go straight to the conclusion from the end of this one.
But, this book also does have its own arc, and it's run in parallel between two very surprising characters: Lara Raith and Ebenezar McCoy. I'm going to get into mondo-spoiler territory while talking about this, but for non-spoiler purposes, Harry's relationship with both of them takes on a different flavor, and indicates further that Butcher is moving the series closer and closer to his eventual endgame, and that he is more and more interested in changing the status quo and allowing not only Harry to grow emotionally, but other characters as well.
(view spoiler)
I didn't actually plan to write an enormous analysis of this book and its characters arcs. It just sort of sat in my brain, and came out while I was thinking what to type. Ultimately, I think this book was successful, if you don't judge it by the metrics you are used to judging a Dresden Files book by. It does a good job of setting up conflicts, breaking things and putting them back together in new ways, and I'm very curious to see what is put back together by the end of Battle Ground, and what is still broken.
Some miscellaneous thoughts:
*I'm not the only who noticed that Harry is worse than usual this book in his noticing of women sexually, but he seems to be trying to get it under control, which makes me think it's the Winter Mantle more than anything, bringing out Harry's worst impulses and trying to get him to give in to it. We'll see.
*Molly isn't in this one as much (hoping for way more in Battle Ground) but when she is here, it's significant. In particular, her emotional crisis when Harry confronts her about not having told her family she's the Winter Lady.
*I'm a little worried about Murphy, to be honest. She and Harry have made so much progress as a couple, and they really seem to have hit their stride, on their way to an emotionally stable and supportive romantic partnership. Do not kill Murphy, Butcher! Or, at least not permanently!
*Some really cool stuff with the knights. I have theories about that third sword.
*Thomas :(
*The fucking White Council still doesn't trust Harry, despite all he's done for them. I wonder how much of that is fear and idiocy, and how much is Black Council interference.
*Some very interesting worldbuilding, re: Harry slipped in here!
*There's a new character called Freydis, and I basically love her. There's a moment involving a "romance novel" she writes, and she's so proud of herself I just wanted to hug her from affection in that moment.
[4.5 stars]
Update 7/24/19:
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RELEASE DATE SOON.
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That title is ironic, right?
[insert pause here]
Hahahahahaha, who am I kidding. Of course it is.
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Reading Progress
May 21, 2014
– Shelved
May 21, 2014
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July 14, 2020
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July 14, 2020
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July 14, 2020
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"It's been so long since we had a new Dresden Files book I feel like I don't remember how to read one."
July 15, 2020
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10.0%
"Beyond ready for Harry to tell at least the important people in his life about Thomas. Also I can't really remember who, if anyone, he's already told."
July 15, 2020
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19.0%
"Butcher, do we have to have another talk about how to properly treat Thomas as a character??? I thought we took care of this back in Small Favor!! Cease and desist your fuckery!"
July 17, 2020
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55.0%
"How in the world does Harry know that obscure Buffy reference if he hasn't had a working TV, well, ever? I guess he's been using his time at Molly's place to use the special Svartalf anti-magic TV to catch up on classic TV. Svartalf streaming."
July 19, 2020
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July 20, 2020
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folklore-and-mythology
July 20, 2020
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half-starsies
July 20, 2020
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here-be-dragons
July 20, 2020
– Shelved as:
i-do-believe-in-fairies-i-do-i-do
July 20, 2020
– Shelved as:
i-vant-to-drink-your-blood
July 20, 2020
– Shelved as:
manly-men-and-their-manparts
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murder-most-foul
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not-quite-five-stars-but-sooo-close
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I'm not so sure about that. There might be actual peace talks - which will end in total chaos and an a lot of dead things of course, but still they might talk first.
Well, I can't really speculate on anything right now since I haven't finished Skin Game yet, but my hunch with the way Harry's world works is that even if they start out as genuine peace talks, they either aren't going to stay that way, or they were secretly actually not peace talks at all, hence: irony. Because that's just the kind of luck Harry has.
I'm thinking it's going to be about grandma winter and summer, and peace talks between the winter fae and Marconi, or the winter fae and Cowl. We haven't heard from Cowl in a long time.
Butcher himself said "Book 16 will be titled PEACE TALKS, and will probably be one of the more supernaturally violent books to date."
And now I’m torn between reading this one now (since now I got my hands on the nice shiny copy) or wait until the next one to get some resolution.
If you're leaning towards doing it, just go for it! It's not an agonizing cliffhanger. I'm glad for some processing time. I think it might make it better when we get the payoff.
It wasn't that bad! I wonder how I will feel about it on re-read. Are you starting the next book soon?
I just thought it was so slow and nothing happened, especially compared to the previous two installments. I'm trying to decide if I want to go ahead to Battleground, or wait. What do you think?