Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Audioboss

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Files uploaded by Audioboss (talk · contribs)

Not own works, but COM:DW - no source/date/author. BTW, it would be much better if the original historical images were used at the articles instead of these personal artworks (see also COM:WEBHOST). P 1 9 9 ✉ 16:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These images are artistic "conceptualizion" - no known images are presently available in public or historical records- original work information and rational behind their use are updated in each file descriptions and summary--Audioboss (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found historic images from my files- I will re-upload when images are verified These images are based on actual historical images- I will update tags and information before I re-upload images- --Audioboss (talk) 19:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:General Gregorio Tapalla.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Emilip Verdeflor.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Ariston Villanueva.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Marcela Marcelo.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Luis Malinis.tif- tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Agueda Kahabagan.tif- tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Ambrosio Mojica.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified
File:General Vicente Leyva.tif - tagged for deletion- will update wrong information tagged with this image- Will re-upload by author when source material verified

derived work information and rational updated in each file descriptions and summary--Audioboss (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*I can confirm that ticket:2020033010007214 seems to be valid as well as the licenses granted on Flickr.

While I share the doubts about using these images in Wikipedia, the artist seems to be notable. See:

So

Keep Ankry (talk) 23:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Nevertheless out of scope. See my point below regarding making up likenesses. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- My argument about using "idealized" or "conceptual" images are as follows"--Audioboss (talk) 00:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Many scholars believe that Cesare Borgia was the basis for some depictions of Jesus that eventually became the standard look that is used until today."

"Pope Alexander lV then ordered the destruction of all art depicting a Semitic Jesus and commissioned a number of paintings depicting a Caucasian Jesus. His son, Cardinal Cesare Borgia, was the model for these paintings. Thus, the nastiest of all the Borgias, became the iconic Caucasian Jesus so loved by Christians today."

(Source: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/19723/is-the-popular-western-depiction-of-jesus-based-off-of-cesare-borgia)

** Should we remove all Jesus Christ's related images in wikipedia because surely no one really knows what he looks like?

Moreover, most depiction of dinosaurs and extinct fauna are mostly "conceptualized" and "ideal" based on limited fossil specimen.

Should we remove all dinosaurs photos in wikipedia because most of them are "artist" conceptualization?

There is no "hoax" or "malicious" misleading that you implied in your presentation. Hoax means "to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hoax). I have put all full disclosure in the description that images are either "based on historical images" or artistic "conceptualization" or "rendering".

Surely, we are all entitled to our own opinions and perspectives. I am the source of all the "derived" and "conceptualized" images of historical people.The images which I draw digitally from scratch from my sketchpad to the computer. Respectfully, the idea is not to mislead or hoax people. The depiction of the images does not claim that those are the exact likeness of the people rather "idealized" or "conceptual" only. --Audioboss (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC) If my research integrity is in question, I am a professional artist who has done artwork for international exhibitions and also a scientist who works for a Medical hospital and has done academic discourses in history and microbiology. --Audioboss (talk) 00:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.behance.net/michelangelomayo

--Audioboss (talk) 00:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--Audioboss (talk) 00:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with making up a likeness for a historical person if none exist! That is no different than making up details about a person just because it is not known. Misleading or wrong info is worse than no info. And this has nothing to do with culture. Your personal artwork is not important and significant in preserving Filipino cultural history. In fact, I do consider as misleading, a hoax.

Furthermore, OTRS doesn't apply to historical images. You must provide proof of date/source/author for those. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--Audioboss (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do appreciate this discourse and I am respectful of your point of view

Most of the source materials for the research are from a long set of report from 1898-1906 Report of the Lieutenant-General Commanding the Army - United States. War Department- extensively referenced in the page List of Filipino Revolutionary Generals.

--Audioboss (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--Audioboss (talk) 20:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The first batch, the conceptualizations, have no place on Commons. There is no educational purpose to be served by keeping imaginary images of famous people.

The second batch, which are all based on existing images have the same problem -- why would we want these in place of actual images? Further, none of them give the source -- in each case it must be proven that the source image is freely licensed or PD.

Also note that TIF is deprecated for image use on Commons, so in order to keep them, someone will have to convert them to JPG. . Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can convert all to jpeg---Audioboss (talk) 21:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jameslwoodward: One image (File:General Gregorio Tapalla.tif) has a freely licensed source in the artist's Flickr page. I would suggest @Audioboss: to do the same for other images. However, if the arts are COM:DW of some photos, then the status of original photos also needs to be resolved. Ankry (talk) 07:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually better to convert them to PNG first, because it's more efficient in compression while being lossless like TIF. It's always important to have a "master" version to edit on in order to prevent quality loss, and PNG can do that. That's if these images will be kept though. pandakekok9 09:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General Agueda Kahabagan.tif -

Own derivative and transformative visual artwork or illustration with portions taken from public domain material.

Composition also contains sufficient new, creative content to entitle it to its own copyright.

Source: scanned photographs and illustrations (unknown author) from archived photo titled "Heroines of the Revolution" with tagged remark- Agueda Kahabagan that was compiled in "History of Philippines (dated between 1800-1920)" folder from Lipa City Public Library and Museum (Philippines).

The source material for the derivative and transformative artwork is in the public domain for the following reasons:

This work was first published in the Philippines and is now in the public domain because its copyright protection has expired by virtue of the Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines. The work meets one of the following criteria:

It is an anonymous or pseudonymous work and 50 years have passed since the year of its publication
It is an audiovisual or photographic work and 50 years have passed since the year of its publication
It is a work of applied art and 25 years have passed since the year of its publication
It is another kind of work, and 50 years have passed since the year of death of the author (or last-surviving author)

Important note: Works of foreign (non-U.S.) origin must be out of copyright or freely licensed in both their home country and the United States in order to be accepted on Commons. Works of Philippine origin that have entered the public domain in the U.S. due to certain circumstances (such as publication in noncompliance with U.S. copyright formalities) may have had their U.S. copyright restored under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA) if the work was under copyright in its country of origin on the date that the URAA took effect in that country. (For the Philippines, the URAA took effect on January 1, 1996.)

You must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States.

This work is in the public domain in the United States because it meets three requirements:

it was first published outside the United States (and not published in the U.S. within 30 days),
it was first published before 1 March 1989 without copyright notice or before 1964 without copyright renewal or before the source country established copyright relations with the United States,
it was in the public domain in its home country on the URAA date (January 1, 1996 for most countries).

For background information, see the explanations on Non-U.S. copyrights.
Note: This tag should not be used for sound recordings.

--Audioboss (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, I'll delete two first files as uploader's request on uploading week. The other files are deleted by other admins due to other reasons. Taivo (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Files uploaded by Audioboss (talk · contribs) 2

per COM:PCP and COM:LL. Many of the files uploaded by Audioboss are derivatives of works of unclear or doubtful sources, or of non-free content. Possible licence laundering. Furthermore, many of the derivative works are out of scope. While the original photos of the subjects may be in scope, the derivative work appears to be self promotion of their art -- Wikimedia Commons is not one's personal free web host.

Ìch heiss Nat. Redd mìt mìr.🥨 03:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings- for the most part of my involvement with Wikicommons, I have always complied with the administrators. The body of my work that you have marked for deletion are all derivative works that I have done. All of the ones in these list, I have noted their sources as either from historical documents and photos in public domain especially the derived works of the Generals from documents and image files (1890-1910). On my derived works, I have images of photos and sketches that I took while I was either a student or while I was attending the conferences with these people depicted. Almost all of of them published with my name in local papers, circular, and dailies. So, I thought that derivative works from own personal photos, drawings, and images are okay to use as long as description of ownership are disclosed. I do admit that there were few of my project was deleted because I thought that my rational for using other materials will be fine because of disclosures of copyright rational. I speedy deleted them myself. Derivative works are not acceptable with Wikicommons? I even ask OTRS and was granted in several of them so that I can clarify its usage. Many have them have been in Wikicommons for years with several revisions and copyright info updated by admins and other users.

I do feel that a certain user was hounding and harassing me personally for several reasons:

Instead of communicating with me directly about my contributions, the user nominated me for blocking or blacklisting me right away.
Even after I send the user a scanned copy of one of my sources from Spartan Daily with my name as contributor for one of my derived work. He accused me of fakery without forensic study of my work. He probably used tineye or google image web app that does not really detect subtleties in photos. I provided a scanned copy of my newspaper clipping with my name as contributor and it was deemed a fake. this is just total conjecture.
Because the majority of my contributions were derived, they were all evaluated as fake without carefully evaluating the summary and info that is provided in the files.
Even my own photographs from my Iphone for the Philippine dances were conjured as fake, noting that I faked the EXIF files.
I even explained to the user who questioned my metadata that since the work is derived, I have those as composite scanned images for better resolution and workflow.

If derivative works and illustrations (e.g. File:Pacifichelys urbinai.jpg which I drew from my Paleontology class) can be branded as fake because a user does not like my contributions. What about my rights as a user and contributor?

I have been a financial contributor and a long time user with many editing contributions to Wiki. I do not have conflicts of interest or financial gains as my contributions are my academic interests. Please be aware the randomness of my works- I usually try to contribute to pages with less information about the people being depicted. I try to provide images for people to see, if I have the person available in my collection of my own photographs. Notice that several of my contributions were people in the science, politics, or entertainers because I am a microbiologist and sociologist and I have seen these people from symposiums and I love going to concerts and interviews. This personal attack , hounding, and bullying is quite disturbing. You may want to check the language and the tone that the user used to communicate with me during the discussion. The communication was not cordial rather accusatory with flimsy evidence and no further inquiries or technical analysis at all. --Audioboss (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source for File:Irina Korschunow.jpg, which you uploaded in 2014 as your own work, is here. Are we done now? Mo Billings (talk) 06:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please be aware that Philippine Generals were from sources over 100 years old and were taken from microfiche and really in poor quality. Moreover, some of them were taken from sources available throughout the internet and are in public domain in US and Philippines since they are over 100 years old. Philippine Revolution was from 1896-1910 any original photos and documents from this era is already public domain.

All these info are noted in each files info and source info:

--Audioboss (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Pacifichelys urbinai.jpg is my own drawing from my Paleontology class. I own copyright for that.

File:Senator Alfredo S. Lim- as a senator.jpg

File:Senator Heherson Alvarez.jpg

File:Ramon Revilla Sr.jpg

Images used were from Government official site considered public domain and fair use in the Philippines therefore acceptable here in US too.

Most of information are noted in permission and summary info. These are almost all my contribution. Can you be patient with me. I have to pull every file I have to search for the info that you need.

With all respect, if I have to defend my contributions, can I also file grievance against harassment from the user that initiated this? I do not mind the bother but if I feel that I am doing all this trouble for something frivolous and chronic then there is no point for me to continue contributing to this voluntary endeavor. --Audioboss (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Leslie Randall.jpg for this work I used a sketch that I made in late 1980s or mid 1980s when I attended a writer's symposium in LA. Most of the works that you flagged are done with composite and rendering software to appear photo like. The raw file is here https://www.flickr.com/photos/44518673@N00/51074298482/in/dateposted-public/

Now, for the David Roback file - I used my photo that was used in my school paper Spartan Daily. I was one of the photo contributor. The file of the clipping is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44518673@N00/51068958211/in/dateposted-public/ . You can see my name under the photo for credit.

It appears that even if I validate all the works , It is going to be deleted anyway because it may not be in The Scope of contribution needed. It seems that the only media that Wikicommons wanted are real photographs. I thought that derivative works are accepted; but it appears that derivative works are very hard to contribute because some users do not want them for personal reason or bias. I do not use this contribution to "advertise" my art. The commercial aspect of my art does not include portraits of famous people. My art is not commercialize anyway because I am a mail artist , I just exchange art with other artist primarily. If I have few art in the gallery- The style is abstract and surreal. I do not even advertise my contributions in Wikicommons. I do not mention my projects for Wikicommons in my CV or website. To me, this is just pure academic. Any admin can request to see my personal webpages for inspection via personal email only for my privacy protection. --Audioboss (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source for the face in File:Leslie Randall.jpg can be seen here. As per usual, it is a digital collage with filters applied. It should be obvious to anyone familiar with image editing that the "sketch" on Flickr is could not be the source for the image uploaded here and has been freshly created to disguise yet another instance of copyright violation by Audioboss. Are we done here yet? This is getting tiresome and could have been dealt with at ANU where I started the discussion. Mo Billings (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. — Jeff G. ツ_{please ping or talk to me} 04:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion should really be per file basis- each file has different source information and should be validated individually. --Audioboss (talk) 02:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Photo and info of General Luciano San Miguel is derived Philippine National Library. A similar photo is from this source- Note that the picture is from 1903. General San Miguel died in 1903.

Photo is in public domain in Philippines as well as US

https://collectanea2017.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/the-unsung-heroes-of-the-philippine-revolution/

File:General Luciano San Miguel.jpg

General Luciano San Miguel

January 7, 1875 – March 28, 1903

Photo and info of General Nicolas Gonzales is derived Philippine National Library. A similar photo is from this source- Note that the picture is from 1900 when he was in the Revolution. General Nicolas Gonzales died in 1925.

Photo is in public domain in Philippines as well as US

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:General_Nicolas_Gonzales.jpg

General and Governor NICOLAS GONZALEZ of Tanauan ,Batangas 1858-1925

https://www.facebook.com/ust.valiantlegions/photos/thomasiangeneral-and-governor-nicolas-gonzalez-of-tanauan-batangas-1858-1925he-w/1008598842620418/

all of this info can be inquired by contacting the Philippine National Library on there website:

http://web.nlp.gov.ph/nlp/?q=node/684 --Audioboss (talk) 05:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anita_Linda_younger.jpg

Composite derivative images are acceptable because:

Source material: Photographs of Anita Linda by anonymous photographer circa 1940s

According to the IP Code of the Philippines (Act No. 8293) (2015 Edition),

Photographic works are protected for 50 years from the publication of the work and, if unpublished, for 50 years from the making.

The composite images represent a portrait of the actress and a background of her still in performance which represents her as an actress.

This does not advertise self-promotion because I did not put any signature that denotes self publishing. Furthermore, I use my generic username for credit. --Audioboss (talk) 08:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom and previous DR. Moreover, it would be much better if the original historical images were used at the articles instead of these personal artworks. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. For the so-called historical photos, Audioboss continues to prevail a claim that every old photo of the Philippines found on web may be freely used. That is wrong: publication date may be later than public domain. Even if these are {{PD-Philippines}} here, these may have had their U.S. copyrights restored (COM:URAA). Commons requires images and its underlying artworks to be free both in the source country (for this case the Philippines) and the United States. Images, paintings, drawings, and other artistic works that are free here but not in the U.S. are actually unacceptable here. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:09, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. While photos may be in the public domain, the previously untouched images would be much better to use. Seconding COM:ADVERT. Poppytarts (talk) 14:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per discussion. --Эlcobbola _talk 17:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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