- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. I see a consensus to Keep this article. COI is not a valid rationale for deletion as it can be corrected through editing and notability is not judged by page views but by significant coverage by reliable sources. Charting on a recognized top chart can help establish notability but the absence of a charting hit does not mean that an artist is not notable by any means. We have articles on many notable musicians who never made a Billboard chart. Liz Read! Talk! 04:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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The subject fails the criteria for WP:SINGER. Most of the information listed was provided by the subject (User:Durandbernarr). The page also does not get a lot of page views. Sackkid (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep: [1], [2] and the few Billboard articles now used as sourcing give us enough to build a minimal article. The first Billboard source is but a paragraph long, but this individual seems to have some level of critical recognition. Oaktree b (talk) 01:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- A Tiny Desk performance isn't enough to make someone notable. If that were the case, a lot of the musicians (local or otherwise) on that show would qualify for a Wikipedia article. As for the Billboard articles, none of them are featured articles on him, they just simply mention him; which makes him fail WP:SIGCOV. He hasn't charted on any Billboard chart. Again, he fails the music notability. If he had a charting song or even notable award like a Grammy, we wouldn't having this discussion. But at best, he is a slightly popular backup singer. From the articles I've read before nominating, he uses Erykah Badu as his claim to notability but without that, what makes him notable by Wikipedia criteria? And as stated, most of what was added to this page, was added by him, so that is a conflict of interest. Sackkid (talk) 01:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of this is written more like an advertisement biography that singers use on their website.
- "in November 2012, he released his holiday EP titled "EXTRA Stankin' Christmas". He's also independently released various EP's and LP's distributed between 2010 and 2014 on Spotify, apple music and Bandcamp. Some of which have been removed. In September 2016, he released a 7 track EP, "Sound Check" and released a video for the lead single "Around". Bernarr collaborates with various known name as well as indie artists as a feature or providing backgrounds. He has collaborated and performed with Ari Lennox, Kaytranada, The Foreign Exchange, The Internet, Sam Sparro, Thundercat, Knxwledge, Qveen Herby, and Teedra Moses."
- I could understand if he were listing the singers along with the tours as a way of going chronologically from one job to another but when you group together like this, it sounds more like a résumé. And then you have unsourced claims like his occupation is a "vocal arranger, pianist, DJ, skater, actor, host" and he also sings gospel and jazz; which songs are those? Sackkid (talk) 02:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep: There are multiple independent RS with significant coverage about this artist 1 2 3 4 5, which means the subject easily meets WP:GNG. The Grammys did a longform interview with him-- https://www.grammy.com/news/durand-bernarr-is-in-a-constant-state-of-arriving-on-new-album-wanderlust. And to the nominator's point about a potential COI, promotional language can and should be removed, but that's a separate point from whether he meets WP:GNG. If for some reason the admin decides to delete, I request that the article be dratfified.--Citrivescence (talk) 04:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: But as per WP:SINGER which is the nature of this article, how does he meet that? He has no charting music, certified units, headlining tour(s), major record label music releases, major music award wins/nominations, no notable music competition placement, or radio notability. Furthermore, the links you shared are mainly reviewing his album "Wanderlust", with the exception of the first link which includes a brief background about singing backup for Erykah Badu. The articles are focused on his album which has not charted, been released on a major label, won a award or been certified gold/platinum etc.
- I know it seems like I'm aiming at the negative but it doesn't look like there is anything beyond this. I don't see any different than someone who went viral for 5 secs and then people moved on. For example, James Wright went viral for posting a review about Patti Labelle's pie and has since become a backup singer for Tamar Braxton but I don't think any of that helps him meet the criteria for having a Wikipedia article. I think the page should be deleted or downgraded to a draft until it is strong enough to be notable. If he wins a major award and becomes a music charting artist, then I think the page will have more to stand on.
- Sackkid (talk) 20:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, California, and Ohio. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified by Citrevescence in this discussion such as Ebony, Vibe, Bet, and Out and others and also an Allmusic staff written biography here that together show a pass of WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC criteria 1 so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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