Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Fractured Life

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Fractured Life

Creation of Rikki Lee Travolta, self promotionist as above. Arniep 01:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, several websites suggest notability. Royboy crashfan 01:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They were likely all edited or misinformed by this person. Arniep 01:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Though if the author isn't notable, then neither is this....Delete.Roy boy crashfan

02:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for reasons given in AfD for Rikki Lee Travolta, if that really is his name. Brian G. Crawford 02:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per the arguments on its author's AFD. The book is published by Infinity Publishing, a self-publishing concern. User:Zoe|^(talk) 02:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Published by Infinity Publishing, a vanity press. Amazon rank 400,000. Fan1967 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment They are listed as an employee of a marketing firm here which describes them as a "Top Ten Amazon.com recommended author" and "an internationally published journalist" while making no mention of their acting career???? Arniep 02:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I must have missed that on Amazon. What I did find there was a whole bunch of glowing, extravagant reviews by people who had never reviewed anything else. (What's the Amazon term for sock puppet?) One reviewer had reviewed one other book, Don Quixote. The only reviewer who actually had multiple other reviews described this book as "Schlock. I give this book 1-star because zero stars is not an option." Fan1967 02:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I noticed that. Actually 400,000 isn't the lowest of the low. It comes up second when you type in Travolta in books (something the author no doubt realised that people would find it when searching for info on John Travolta). Arniep 02:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bucketsofg 02:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Khoikhoi 05:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.--Sam67fr 13:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom & Fan1967 Deizio 16:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ehheh 18:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - flag for Cleanup I started the Annie Travolta page and have been a contributor to many of the Travolta family pages including Margaret Travolta, Rikki Lee Travolta, Annie Travolta, and John Travolta. Many of those changes are reverting vandalism. It is right there in the history. There is no way, shape, or form that could remotely be confused as being in an “advertising scam”. I have NEVER removed members of the Travolta family from listings. I have worked hard to keep the integrity in tact. I think upon closer inspection you’ll see there was an influx of attempts by an anon (66.121.40.132) to vandalizing different Travolta family sites [1] (changing facts without providing sources or citations). When the anon seemed to be starting a revert war with different users I followed Wiki policy [2]and contacted them on their discussion page [3] to request documentation for the changes being made.

Its been noticed that you have made several repeated changes to the family elements of the John Travolta page and related pages. The policy at Wikipedia is to try to avoid revert wars going back and forth over the same territory. As follows are what we have confirmed as members of the Travolta family: Margaret Travolta, John Travolta, Ellen Travolta, Joey Travolta, Rikki Lee Travolta; Jack Bannon, Rachel Travolta, Nicole Travolta, Michael Salvatore Travolta, Helen (Burke) Travolta, Kelly Preston, Salvatore Travolta, Molly Allen Ritter, Jonathan Rau, Jet Travolta, Tom Fridley, Sam Travolta, Ella Blue Travolta, Valentino Travolta, and Annie Travolta. This is not an all inclusive list, but all those listed are confirmed. In respecting Wikipedia policy it is always necessary to approach differences of opinion in good faith. Although we have documented each of these individuals as relatives (of different levels of removal or closeness of course) within the extended Travolta family, ff you disagree with any person(s) on this list please provide the documentation and we should be able to come to a simple understanding relatively quickly (no pun intended). We thank you in advance for your cooperation.

The anon (66.121.40.132) did not respond. I assumed the matter was dropped but now I find out I am being lumped in some kind of witch hunt accusation by Arniep who seems to have some vendetta [4] based on feelings and assumptions without citing any sources and discounting such sources as TV Guide [5] and The Chicago Sun Times [6] as "just sites used by agencies".[7]

Firstly, the TV guide link says "There's also some kind of grassroots campaign (for Bond) on behalf of singer/theater actor Rikki Lee Travolta". A grassroots campaign led by who??? Who told them that? Probably an agent. Secondly, the Chicago Sun Times link is inexplicably not at the Chicago Sun Times website. Thirdly, the person you contacted had removed Rikki Lee Travolta from all the Travolta pages saying "Rikki Lee is not part of this clan" and then you reverted them (see Special:Contributions/66.121.40.132). Arniep 20:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Sun-Times article actually looks genuine, but is worthless. Stella Foster reports on local Chicago people and events, and if you check her current columns [8] you'll see she often writes about people who are only marginally notable even on a local basis, and unknown nationally. She is not the celebrity reporter; that job belongs to Bill Zwecker. Fan1967 16:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at Arniep's talk page [9] you see a long history of jumping to conclusions and waging war on opinions that are different than Arniep's. Not the spirit of good faith [10] that is intended and required for successful interaction. Sorry - one person's opinion shouldn't outweigh the facts. And Arniep is trying to make wide sweeping changes purely on opinioin without citing facts and ignoring the facts that do exist. The Rikki Lee Travolta [11] page appears to (now) have good documentation. The other page named: My Fractured Life [12] needs to be cleaned up and is so marked. This is nothing more than a witch hunt if you ask me and I'm offended to have been included in it because I was the one who tried to follow Wiki policy [13] to avoid this kind of pointless McCarthyism. Paramountpr 18:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but you are obviously a sockpuppet of the many other user accounts each used for a short time to edit the same articles and push the same point of views listed at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Possible_advertising_scam . Arniep 20:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arniep gets into it, it's true, and he comes off at times as hard-nosed and fixated on certain things - but take it from one who has battled him hard and long, his interest is in Wikipedia, and I have found that he knows what he's talking about. The focus should be on this book, which does not seem to belong on Wikipedia, at least at present.Chandler75 00:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think this long dialog may be more relevant to the Rikki Lee Travolta debate above. Regarding the book, I think it may be more important to concentrate on a copule simple issues: it's from a vanity press, and it appears not many people have bought it. Fan1967 20:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Vanity published nn book or so it seems.... Marcus22 21:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Marcus 22 above. Also, a careful look at the reviews shows an inordinate number of hits finding the reviews "valuable" - in the hundreds. For a book that's 400,000 on the amazon.com site in sales, the numbers of people reviewing and looking at the reviews seems large. Down lower are people who seem to have believed the publicity and purchased the book - uh, they don't agree. Would be curious to see what else the commenters have commented on.Chandler75 00:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You can click on the links for "See all my reviews". All the people who gave glowing, over-the-top praise ("A human adventure with the intensity of THE DA VINCI CODE, LOVELY BONES, and FATHER JOE.") had never reviewed any other book. Hmmmm. Fan1967 00:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete vanity publisher and Google search on sales shows it ranks 387,954th on amazon.com. I'd say that qualifies as non-notable. Fishhead64 05:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Marcus22 and Fishhead64, regardless of what happens with Rikki. Thatcher131 06:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Vanity press + low Amazon ranking = no article. As icing on the cake, those Amazon "customer reviews" look awfully suspicious. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since I suspect him of astroturfing the "grassroots" campaign in 2005 and the anglefire poll in 1999 to be named fan favorite to be the next James Bond (see Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Rikki Lee Travolta), an astroturf campaign on Amazon would be entirely consistent. Thatcher131 15:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete vanity press non-notable book and a keen little marketing push by author or his agent(s). RasputinAXP c 17:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- From Barnes & Noble "How often do we witness a revolution in literature? TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD...CATCHER IN THE RYE...ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST - when was the last time we saw a little book pack that much impact? We're witnessing it now.". Unbelievable. Arniep 17:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete vanity press/nn. -- Ian ≡ talk 15:30, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.