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August 22

Location of MediaWiki page for account creation

Can anyone point me to the MediaWiki namespace page that provides the text a person sees when they click on create account from Special:UserLogin/signup? Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Check out the list on MediaWiki talk:Loginend, the bottom header, titled MediaWiki messages used on Special:UserLogin. BigNate37_(T) 01:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks BigNate, much appreciated.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

New stuff

I have, in my possession, a few objects who's name, let alone origin is a mystery to me. Is there a kind of, backward Wikipedia, where people submit photos or names and contributors are allowed to explain and review their peers? I have an interesting shiny armor piercing round looking thing, that I know is not ordinance, from Ukraine. Surely someone knows what it is. If there is no current way to use wp for this purpose, I submit the idea, if so, please explain. What a cool place to go to, where rare things are on display and the best and brightest are available to explain, significant or not, in a "what's this (.com kind of way. Cheers and please think about it, Karl Kensington — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.129.78.199 (talk) 03:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, by appropriate topic, we have a Wikipedia:Reference desk. They get great satisfaction from helping figure out the answers to such mysteries. Dru of Id (talk) 04:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You can also try Google's Search By Image which lets you find web pages containing images similar to your photos (or to other images). Sometimes the page you find will contain an explanation of what the image shows. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Deleting preliminary article from userspace

In writing a new article, I created it first in my userspace, as recommended. (draft of article "George Toma") Now that the article is in the mainspace, how do I get the draft deleted from my userspace? (And for future reference, is there an appropriate place to make such a request? I am sure this is a common occurrence when articles are created.) Thank you.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 07:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I have tagged the page with {{db-userreq}} which is a template requesting a user page is deleted. CaptRik (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ooops, I've just been informed that per WP:CSD#U1 only the account that owns the user page can request speedy deletion. Michael J - you can request it by added the template I posted above to the top of the page. CaptRik (talk) 09:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I have re-tagged it, with an edit summary linking back to here so that the admin can see that the author is requesting the deletion. We'll see. But a better solution for next time is to move the draft page to mainspace, instead of creating a fresh page and deleting the draft. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, folks. If I see the speedy deletion request gets denied again, I will re-tag it myself.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 11:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Dead citation

I decided to work through Category:All articles with dead external links. The first entry is "Happy" in Galoshes, where cite#11 is dead. I checked the Wayback Machine and did a Google search, but was unable to find any cache or something of that source. Wikipedia:Link rot#Mitigating a dead link suggests to consult with other editors before removing a dead link, so here I am. In this case I think, the cited information (the review score) needs to be removed entirely as unverifiable. Opinions? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd keep it, per Wikipedia:Link rot#Keeping dead links. The page history shows that the information was added by a well-established editor, so it is very likely that the information is correct. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'll leave it alone for now then. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Definitely agree with John. The potential of linkrot is the whole reason for requiring an accessdate for citations. For academic purposes, a formerly working but now-broken URL is acceptable; there's non reason for us to impose a more restrictive standard. Nyttend (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Will our website suffer a lower ranking if we have a wikipedia page about us?

Hi,

I work for a company with a very rich history, its an interesting story going back about 200 years and I want to share it with the world. However I am worried that if I build a wikipedia page, Search engine ranking of our own website will fall.

Is this likely to happen? Is there a way to prevent this? Any information you can give me would be appreciated?

As the first editor of this page will I be notified when other edits or comments are made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.210.1.99 (talk) 08:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

In general, creating an article about your place of business is frowned upon because you have an obvious conflict of interest. Remember, Wikipedia is not an advertising medium. Dismas|^(talk) 10:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how your website will get a lower ranking. If people want to contact you, they will go to the website and if they want information about the company, they will go to Wikipedia. However, like Dismas said, it's better not to create an article on your own company. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

That was my initial reaction. But a friend explained to me why the advice might make sense. If a Google search for the company's name currently has the company's own web site no. 1 on the list, and a Wikipedia article about the company is created, the Wikipedia article might displace the company's own site from the no. 1 place (even while its ranking goes up). Maproom (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense, especially as one often sees Wikipedia articles at the top of a Google search, but wouldn't the official website still be near the top? A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 07:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

It would take time for the Wikipedia article to be ranked near the top (Google ranking depends on the number of incoming links) wheras an existing company website would already be well established at or near the top. I don't see why is should present a problem anyway - someone searching for the company's website would clearly be able to tell the difference between "abc-company.com" and "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/abc_company". Roger (talk) 08:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

BibISBN in reflist not visible

Hello,

why is the template {{BibISBN}} not visible in the reflist, eg here? Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

That's because the page Template:BibISBN/0881924393 hasn't been created at the English-language Wikipedia. You'll have to adapt it from de:Vorlage:BibISBN/0881924393. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Your example says {{BibISBN|0881924393|page=15-18}}. That requires data at Template:BibISBN/0881924393 but it may not be enough. I suspect the system was never completed at the English Wikipedia and the documentation should say that. I have posted to User talk:Bermicourt#BibISBN. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

As suspected, the template was never completed and does not work. I have added that to the documentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

digger indian

digger indian is racially insensitive. it reads the same as calling a african a N word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.145.240 (talk) 10:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

If you think the redirect Digger Indian shouldn't exist, you can nominate it at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. How that is done is described at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#The guiding principles of RfD. You should also check WP:RFD#DELETE to see whether it satisfies one of the criteria there. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 13:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is not censored, offensiveness per se has never been an accepted reason to delete pages. We have articles about various racial and ethnic slurs such as Spic, Gook, Cracker, Nigger, Beaner, Wog, Kaffir, Coolie, Shiksa, Honky,Curry muncher, and so on. See the List of ethnic slurs, perhaps the term you object to could be added to the list. Roger (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

There is one mention of the term in the article at Paiute people#Origin of name. There is currently no source for it. I searched and found http://users.lmi.net/kstewart/texts/ovp/ovp.pdf and http://www.jstor.org/stable/25155971, both of which seem to be reliable, peer-reviewed sources. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

inter wiki links

Is there a way to see if a page in ANY language does or does not have a version in a particular language? I will be doing some translation. --TheChampionMan1234 10:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

All I can think of are the links on the left of the page. Help:Interlanguage links should help you with that. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Many articles that exist already have been identified as needing help from their foreign language counterpart. Please see Category:Articles needing translation from foreign-language Wikipedias. Cheers.-Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

{{unreferenced}} tags on dates?

One of my friends notice that all the articles of dates do not have any references. He asked me if I he can put {{unreferenced}} tags on all of them. Is it necessary?--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 11:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year#Style, the style guide for pages such as January 1, where it says "References are not needed in Wikicalendar articles. However, references to support listed entries must be found in linked Wikipedia articles...". So as long as each entry has a blue link to an article, and that article has a reference for the relevant fact, then that should be enough. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Single purpose RfA

Will I be able to pass RfA if I need the admin tools for one specific purpose? I would like to work through Wikipedia:Database reports/Articles containing red-linked files/1. I think I should check those redlinks and see whether the file might have been appropriate, but I cannot do this as I cannot see deleted pages. Would such a single-purpose RfA be likely to succeed? Is it worth a try? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It's very doubtful. See WP:RFA Guide for details on what you should expect to be judged on. BigNate37_(T) 20:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks. It's probably not worth the trouble and for most things I do I don't need to be an administrator anyway. Apart from that I kind of doubt that I'd pass RfA, as I believe I fail two, maybe three of the points at WP:GRFA#What RfA contributors look for and hope to see. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Atalaya in Huntington Beach State Park

Atalaya Castle (USA)

We do not refer to it as a "castle" it was someones home and we are trying to get people to realize that so they will want to help take care of the property. For years people ran amuck and the "home" is under need of repairs. We are trying to change peoples perception so they will want to help maintain and respect this part of history. Archer Huntington was the main employer in Georgetown county during the depression and did not refer to his house as a "castle" Thanks T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.211.91 (talk) 12:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is emphatically not for changing people's perception: that would be a kind of promotion or advocacy. If the preponderance of reliable sources refer to it as a castle, or say that people commonly refer to it as a castle, then that is the appropriate name for the article: see WP:COMMONNAME. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Registering a village

i want to know how to register my village on the net — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jossy2966 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

If you mean, create an article in Wikipedia about your village, please read WP:YFA. If you mean something else, then I'm afraid you are in the wrong place to ask: this is the help desk for Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Most up to date image used in lead of BLP

There seems to be a pattern of always using the most up to date image in a BLP lead, that is to say, a picture of the subject at their oldest. When the person has died, it seems we commonly use the 'best image' or most iconic shot of them for the lead. Is this habit given in a guideline anywhere? Thanks Span (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It's not anything we prefer but a side result of the application of fair use criteria. Many people who are famous do not have freely licenses or public domain image of them we can use, and we can't use a non-free, copyrighted picture (except in very rare circumstances) of a living person because it is considered "replaceable"—after all, the person is still alive so a snapshot can still be taken. So there are numerous articles on living people who have no image at all because an image from their heyday does not meet fair use, and for others, though their heyday was 45 years so, the only free image we can get is a candid ourselves, today when they're 84, which as the owner of, we can freely-license or release into the PD. What you are seeing is the side result of a person;s death opening up fair use to much more iconic and identifying image. It is silly to have a picture of an actress known as a beautiful ingenue of the 1950s, mostly known just for that look, shown here at 87, Better to not have an image at all. It's less important if the person's image, say a writer, is not part of what made them famous.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. So there's nothing written to say the lead image should be the most up to date, per se? Span (talk) 12:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

How to request a page

On the "Main Page", which is where most intelligent people would first look, there is absolutely no obvious link to how to get a subject notated on the Wikipedia. I look up 'Mate Brajkovic, Winemaker' and get a footballer. I would have liked to be able to create a request for a page about the winemaker and his San Marino Vineyard at Kumeu - but how? Pahau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.104.181.19 (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I won't qualify as intelligent, but most of the time I visit Wikipedia, I visit something other than the main Page. The Main page is designed for readers, of which there are far more than editors. As an editor, it wouldn't occur to me to look on the main page for information which is relevant to editors. (In other words, I think you were suggesting that there is a design flaw, I am respectfully disagreeing.)--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

If there were a way for people to request articles from the "Main Page", I suspect the request facility would be overwhelmed by people requesting articles about their favourite girl band or whatever. So it makes sense that it takes a little persistence to find. Maproom (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Default activation of the search field on: Main Page

Resolved

Nine times out of ten, when I open: htto://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
I want to search for some article. So:

1. How do I set the search field to be the default active element? There should be no need for clicking on it (or press <ALT> + <SHIFT> + F) to activate it!
2. I quess most Wikipedia users would feel the same, so why is this not the global default setting for everyone?

Other web pages have their search fields as the default active part when you open the page, so it is obviously possible...
--Seren-dipper (talk) 12:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

This has been proposed several times in the past (see discussions here, here, here and here) but each time there was no consensus for the change. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) Also see Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google? for another explanation. You can tweak the behaviour for yourself by going to "My preferences", "Gadgets" tab, and ticking the fourth checkbox, "Focus the cursor in the search bar on loading the Main Page". -- John of Reading (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both!  :-)
--Seren-dipper (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Naming Children of celebs

Is there a policy or guideline, or even an essay, on wether we should include the names and ages of children in our Bio's...even if the names and ages are verified. Predators use this type of info. Isn't it enough to tell our reader how many children a person has but leave naming them to People magazine?```Buster Seven Talk 13:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Do WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPNAME help?--ukexpat (talk) 14:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you. ```Buster Seven Talk 20:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My user page

My user page has the characters "|}" at the top and I really don't know what I did to put them there. Could someone please help me get rid of them? Thanks. Jon1901 (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that there is a glitch or mistake in one of the userboxes you have put on your page. Just remove each in turn, and use the "preview" function to figure out which template has the error. Once you have isolated the problematic template, you can edit it to fix it, or just remove it. --Jayron32 14:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You had an extra {{Boxboxbottom}}. I removed it for you. RJFJR (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

But that does cause a misalignment of the Babel box below the user boxes - it appears slightly skewed to the right when I view it. I have played around with the formatting and can't find a fix.--ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability of software

Just now I tried to look up information about a program called Sopcast, and noticed that people have tried to create the article, only to have it repeatedly deleted. That seems strange to me. Sopcast seems to me to be a program with a decent amount of users. It's not a completely unknown program. Among those making use of streaming P2P video it's probably very well known. There are other articles on Wikipedia about commercial programs. How can one establish that a commercial piece of software meets notability guidelines? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.97.191 (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability depends on the existence of WP:independent sources. If you can find credible articles in magazines or independent websites you might have a chance of creating an article that sticks. Roger (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Broken image

Umm... the image File:Caro_DreamCity_1996.jpg in Henry Moore#Legacy is not displaying, and I can't tell why. The same wikimarkup works fine in my sandbox. This is aggravating, especially as Henry Moore is a featured article.

Oops, never mind. Another image was misformatted. Joe Schmedley^Talk 15:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Missing article.

Hi,

I think I submitted an article on a human powered aircraft a couple of weeks ago. I've just checked wikipedia, and the article isn't there, and I can't see anything in my sandbox to indicate that it failed to meet wikipedia standards or got deleted. I'm beginning to think that maybe I had some finger trouble at the time and I didn't submit the article correctly. How can I find out what happened to it? is it still awaiting review, or has it been reviewed and then got deleted, or did I fail to submit it correctly in the first place?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by LimaSeven (talk • contribs) 15:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You created User:LimaSeven/sandbox five days ago, but it only contained the request for a review, and no article text. You've made no other edits with this account. Do you have another copy of your text? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Your account was created seven days ago and User:LimaSeven/sandbox was creatd five days ago. Do you think you may have created something before that without logging in? If you still have the same IP address then you can log out and click Special:MyContributions to see edits by that IP address. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

tables

Is it possible to insert tables from an external sourse (word, excel, or other webpages, etc.)?--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You could take a screen capture, and upload the table as a picture. However, insofar as Wikipedia articles should be editable by anyone, to the greatest extent possible, it would be best to use the Wikipedia table system outlined at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables and Help:Table. If you use an external table, it will nto be editable by others. --Jayron32 16:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

There are tools available that convert from other formats into wiki markup. Take a look at the list at WP:Tools#Importing (converting) content to Wikipedia (MediaWiki) format.--ukexpat (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You can try saving your table as html, which then can be used instead of Wiki markup. Ruslik_Zero 19:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Please do not insert html tables in Wikipedia articles. Roger (talk) 08:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

want to add wiki search in my won web site

i want to add wikipedia search in my won web site.Is it possible??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.201.104.245 (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You can just use Google, placing permanently in the search criteria site:en.wikipedia.org, which limits Google's search to this site.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess you mean you have your own website and want visitors to be able to search Wikipedia directly from that website. See meta:Search box. Note it was written at a time where the Wikipedia search box had two buttons. "Search" always makes a search and gives a search results page. "Go" goes directly to a page with a name exactly matching the search box content. If there is no such page then it makes the same search as "Search". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Irrelevant link

How do I report an irrelevant link found on a wikipedia web page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylor316 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Depending on circumstances you could post to the talk page or edit the page yourself but if you have never edited Wikipedia and don't know how we work then it's perhaps best to report it right here. Click the "edit" link to the right of the section heading and write the exact Wikipedia page name and which link it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Uploading source material

Hi,

During the course of researching for an article about a human powered aircraft I contacted the designer who emailed me a number of documents including some technical drawings and, more importantly some notes he made for presentations he gave back in the 1990 to the Royal Aeronautical Society. These documents are in the form of text files and pdf's, I'd like to reference them in my article, can I do this? The documents haven't been published elsewhere and don't exist on any other websites, can I upload them directly to wikipedia and then reference them? They contain most of the source information for my article. Note - I don't want to actually display the documents directly in the article (they're far to boring for that!) but I would like to be able to reference them, is it OK to use Wikipedia as a repository for original documents? If so how do I do this? I've uploaded images to Wikipedia before now, but I'm not sure how to upload other documents.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by LimaSeven (talk • contribs) 18:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. By definition and design, Wikipedia is a collection of information drawn from already-published content, published in reliable sources. We do not serve as a repository for original documents. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Those sound like unpublished primary sources, so they must be used with care. If they are public domain or freely licensed, they could be hosted on Wikisource or Scribd. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Material posted on Scribd is not considered "published by a reliable source", since no editorial control is exercised. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the place to get into it, but Scribd is just a host, not a publisher, much like Google Books. You can't make a blanket statement. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese rule in Malvan (India)

Dear All,

Did the Portuguese rule over Malvan region in India? If so then when was it and for how many years? Appreciate if i can get any answers to my question.

Thanks and Regards, Arun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun tontai (talk • contribs) 19:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Does History of India help? If not, please ask you question in the appropriate section of the WP:Reference desk.--ukexpat (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese India may be an even better target, but yes, the reference desks are a better place to get answers to questions like this. --Jayron32 20:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Using multiple IP accounts

I know it is not 'allowed' for an unregistered user to use several IP accounts to suggest there is support for a position or to avoid sanction. So how should one proceed when a user is appearing daily with a new IP address, posting tendaciously and ignoring advice both on article talk pages and their own IP talk pages? The editor has been reverting edits on a series of related UK geography settlement pages e.g. Slough Abingdon-on-Thames, Edmonton, London and at least 3 others. All these pages ended up being semi-protected over last weekend. The editor was also posting identical posts on each article talk page and continues to do so after pages are protected causing various editors who acted in good faith to respond to the same questions. The IP had been advised/ encouraged previosuly and several times to raise their generic issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography but repeatedly ignored this and keeps on posting. What is the best way to proceed. Treat as a unregistered sockpuppet? If so does one just register it at the appropriate Aministrator page? Thanks in anticipation.Tmol42 (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

With unregistered users, it's often not their fault; British ISPs are particularly bad about issuing very dynamic IP addresses, and I'm guessing that's where this editor is located. They may not even be getting the advice left on their talk pages as a result. Short of issuing a very broad range-block, there isn't much administrative action that can be taken other than semi-protection. I'd try to encourage them to create an account if possible, as that will aid with communication, but if matters don't improve I'm afraid semi-protection is the only really viable option. It sounds like they could be acting in good faith (just not realizing how things work) so I'd be reluctant to block any network ranges, knowing that will affect many other users and probably won't help at all anyway. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

One option is to leave notes on the talk page of the articles they edit requesting that they communicate. I agree with Hersfold that the WP:AGF interpretation is that this is a noob whose IP address changes frequently and who may not realize that they are doing anything wrong and/or don't realize that people are desperate to communicate with them. If we keep semi-protecting their favorite articles, and perhaps use something like the pp-dispute template (which invites people to use the talk page) at the top of the articles in question, they may get the hint. The idea is to find ways to let them know you wish to discuss things, and to try to set up means of reasonable communication. I agree that the first order of business should be to strongly encourage them to get an account, which would ease communication. If they understand why having an account would help them be able to explain their work to others better, and thus maybe make it easier for them to do what they want to do, they may do so. --Jayron32 20:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess one always hopes for a magic wand solution but will take the advice forward. Where can I find the pp-dispute template? Is there a template with some cuddly welcoming words to use about getting an account? Tmol42 (talk) 20:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It's just {{pp-dispute}}, but an administrator will add that when/if the page gets semi-protected. As for that, there are all sorts of welcome templates, but most are designed for use on user talk pages... and that may not be the best option as I mentioned above. I'd just point them to WP:ACCOUNT during the course of one of your discussions, hoping that s/he'll start participating in them. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks have acted on your advice. Hoping for some improvements going forward.Tmol42 (talk) 21:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Compressing notes at top of page

Lists of template-ised notes at the top of pages take up more space than they need to because of the blank lines. E.g.

For other uses, see BlahBlah(disambiguation).

"BlahBlah" redirects here. For BlahBlah, see BlahBlah.

"YaddaYadda" redirects here. For YaddaYadda, see YaddaYadda.

Is there any way to suppress the blank lines? 86.179.6.55 (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

There are two options:

1. Go to MediaWiki talk:Common.css and ask that the bottom margin for the "dablink" class be removed (point to this discussion). Note that such a change will need to be widely discussed and it may not be made, but if made it will impact all users.
2. Create an account and go to Special:Mypage/Common.css. Add the following lines to that page:

.dablink{
   margin-bottom: 0 !important;
}

This will implement your desired change for you only while you are logged in.

Hope this helps. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you. I have left a note at the MediaWiki talk:Common.css page. 86.179.6.55 (talk) 03:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I want russian country names as in url (appear country in russian) can you provide a list?

I want russian country names as in url (url that appear a country in russian) can you provide a list?

I want develop a FLAG GUESS Android App with reference to wikipedia country site of the flag... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lse123polis (talk • contribs) 20:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but if you want information in Russian, you may be better off asking on the Russian Wikipedia. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

This I want is like country name list: Albania,...Zambia... but in Russian, just as Wikipedia uses in the Russian URL...are they public available? eg. For Russia Россия as in coded at: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F

See List of countries at ru.WP Roger (talk) 08:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

exist list in a text file for developers? BTW these names(ru) are the same as in url?

Inline Citations

I have made 13 inline citations for my Wikipedia page (Frank Buglioni (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)) but Wikipedia is telling me that I need more. However, these are the only references I used because the person whom the page is about actually helped me out with the information so it was all from him personally. Thank you. Giordano Bishop — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiordanoBishop (talk • contribs) 21:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The notice on the top of the page was placed there by hand, and will not automatically be removed. You can remove it yourself if you think the matter has been appropriately addressed. If there is some disagreement or the article is edited frequently by several editors, consider proposing the tag's removal on the article's talk page. In this case if you aren't sure whether it's appropriate, I would suggest asking the user who placed the tag there in the first place. This can be seen in the article history. BigNate37_(T) 22:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, and for more details on cleanup tags, see Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. BigNate37_(T) 22:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• • On another note, information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable through reliable sources - information obtained through a personal interview such as you describe is not verifiable as it is original research. Please try searching online and in libraries for sources to back up the information Mr. Buglioni provided you with, and remove it if you are unable to do so. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 22:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

change of info

I only want information changed to reflect the correct town where a University is/was located. Phillips University is/was in Enid, Oklahoma. Not Gulfport, Mississippi

This information has been changed since I selected it as my place of education.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phillips-University/109363652415147 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.245.107.183 (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure where Facebook got the Gulfport Mississippi from, our article on Phillips University does not say that the school was located there, it only mentions Enid, OK GB fan 23:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, we have no control over Facebook or how often they update their pages. Dismas|^(talk) 00:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You need to contact the It's their mistake, not Wikipedia's. Roger (talk) 08:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

It may sound odd that we blame Facebook when their page says: "Description above from the Wikipedia article Phillips University". Note however that this only applies to the part with heading "Description". The alleged location in other parts of the page is inserted by Facebook and not taken from Wikipedia. I don't think Wikipedia has ever claimed it's in Gulfport. I don't know how Facebook generates location information but they sometimes get it wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Change new user's username...

Immediately after creating an account & reading the 'welcome'page I realized that my Username was NOT OKAY. Please help me in the process of changing this. I'd like to branch out in Wiki w/ a name I don't have to cringe at upon seeing it written. Please help! Thanks.OrallyMe (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to Wikipedia! You can request a new username by clicking here :)--5 albert square (talk) 23:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

But since this is the only edit you have made with the account, you will find it much simpler just to abandon it and register a new account with a better name. This is mentioned on the page that 5 albert square linked to. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

August 23

IPA guideline

Is there a guideline for when IPA should be used in an article? I've looked at many pages on IPA, but all I really see are explanations as to how it's supposed to be used, what it means, where it should be placed, etc. In other words, these Wikipedia pages seem to assume it's fine to add an IPA to any article, which, on the face of it, makes little sense (to me). Maybe I missed something in the quagmire of See also's..--Bbb23 (talk) 00:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about the use of IPA in pronunciation sections at the start of an article? If so, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation, which explains how best to present pronunciation information. Or are you concerned about the use of IPA in articles on linguistics and language topics, in which case someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics may be able to help? If neither of these links help, you'll have to explain what specific article you have a problem with and what your problem is. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Not the first, which I noticed, as it doesn't address when you should include an IPA in the first instance, just how you should do it if you do it. Nor the second, either. The article is Frank Abagnale. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

World War II

I am looking for photos and or stories of captured German World War II Kubelwagens....the equivalent of the American jeep. In the past I have seen photos of Kubelwagens that were put in use only painted up in olive drab paint and white stars....so they wouldn't get shot at by our own troops. I have built a replica of a Kubelwagen, painted it the army olive drab color with stars. I'd appreciate any help you could give on this............Thanks, Dale Herd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.133.245 (talk) 00:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiMedia Commons has a [collection of photos here] - mostly in original Wehrmacht colours. Roger (talk) 09:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Help me with public domain copyright help me

I have uploaded a new picture to the article Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold where Harris points to the camera with a pistol. That footage was released under public domain in 2003 by the Jefferson County Sheriff Department, but I find no public domain tags to put in the picture rather than the U.S. federal government work which I know is not the right one for the picture. Can you help me? Which public domain tag is right for this picture? Thank you Nienk (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

{{PD-release}} might work... I can't find anything more specific that would apply to this. You may also want to ask at Wikipedia:Copyright problems - while that board says it's intended for suspected violations and the like, there are links pointing there if you have general questions as well. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 15:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

health problem

my husband has pulmonary fibrosis on the lungs do you think hew ould benefit his problem with the ozone generator in a glass of water a day thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.5.32 (talk) 05:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC) :This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions. Please post this question on the reference desk. Cheers, TBrandley 05:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer, and contact an appropriate medical professional.Mdann52 (talk) 06:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Geelong West Football Club

I have been a member of the Geelong West Football Club for over 10 years and for a large portion of that time have been doing some historical recording with the club. I designed and wrote the club website; www.gwspsc.org . I overhauled Wikipedia's existing article on Geelong West Football Club on June 22 2010 and re-wrote the whole piece and added many facts and figures and also lengthened the entry. I have not been in since except for today where I see that what I had contributed and extensively written has been completely wiped and the smaller, condensed version which is vastly inadequate when compared to what I had added has been restored. I see that the reason for deleting my contribution was because of copywrite violations and that it had been lifted from the club website. However, in this instance, I am the one that wrote the original piece on the website and then added it to the Wikipedia page. Hence both authors are one and the same. I would really like what I wrote to be restored to Wikipedia as it is a far more extensive and comprehensive history on the club. My name is Justin Brown. I am able to verify that I am the original author of both pieces. Please advise. Kind Regards. Justin.125.168.7.89 (talk) 06:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

In that case, see WP:Donating copyrighted materials. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 07:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

But note that, apart from un controversial factual matter, everything in the article should be referenced to an independent reliable source. Referencing the Club's website, whether you wrote it or somebody else did, would count as referencing a primary source, and is not adequate to support material in Wikipedia. You would need to get your history published by an independent reputable publisher in order to use it to support the Wikipedia article. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Someone responsible for this?

Is there someone at the WMF responsible for contacting potential copyright holders or organizations? In the case at hand it needs to be determined whether a specific logo is officially being used to represent an organization (actually three organizations). See the discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:BD tri-service badge.png. Whom should I approach? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

That's not the Foundation's job. It is the responsibility of the uploader of an image to make sure that it complies with the licensing requirements at Commons or the non-free content criteria at Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) There's nothing to stop you contacting them yourself - see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. WMF has a very small staff and most work is done by volunteers, which means you and me. Wikipedia:Non-free content review is the correct place for handling this - it's heavily backlogged so it may take a while to reach a conclusion, but if you are patient they should get there in the end. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:NFCCE says "it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale". In other words, if it is necessary to contact the (potential) copyright holder then that's the duty of the users wanting to keep the file in an article. Also I already did a Google search and was unable to find this badge being used anywhere on the web. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not being used at all of course, but those who want to keep it have to provide a proof to the contrary. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Dougie Brimson entry - changes

I've noticed that Dougie Brimson's entry has been edited several times in the lat 24hours - every time someone mentions his association with the stopthegrbullies bullying website, it gets deleted. I myself have mentioned this in his entry, and, following advice, had properly sourced it. This has now been removed and the article has gained 'semi-protected' status.

Can you advise why you are editing well documented truth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.195.180 (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Just because the information can be sourced doesn't mean it is notable. You might want to discuss the matter with The Rambling Man, who reverted your edits and protected the page. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 14:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Editor acronyms/codes are not covered in the Wikipedia Glossary, makes discussing with them difficult.

An article I created was the subject of a speedy deletion debate. During the 7 day discussion period, editors threw around acronyms like they were going out of style. While I understand the efficiency acronyms allow for, to the uninitiated they mean nothing. Looking in the Wikipedia glossary, some are not covered (ie: A7, G11). Common practice for using acronyms is to write out what the acronym means the first time it is used on a page. This would go a long way in aiding the newcomer's understanding of what the reviewers are talking about, and afford them a greater opportunity to understand what is going on.

So, my question is: Where can one find the list of codes, as mentioned above, that are not in the glossary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.31.113.27 (talk) 12:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The speedy deletion criteria and their codes such as A7 (No indication of importance) and G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion) are listed at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Gandalf61 (talk) 12:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

These particular codes are for sections of the criteria for speedy deletion: "A" stands for article and 7 means it's the seventh criterion applicable to articles. The other codes from that page: G=General, T-Template, U=User, P=Portal, F=File, R=Redirect. Since these codes, unlike many other shortcuts you may come across, don't have a written out version exactly, they can only be described and linked. and when they are used in warning templates they usually are, e.g. "A tag has been placed on NAME requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion because..." Anyway, there are indeed many shortcuts (←that link is to Wikipedia:Shortcuts, which has it's own shortcut, "WP:SC") on Wikipedia and sometimes users do use them too much without at least linking so that a new user could follow easily. There's at least one essay about this floating around but I haven't found it at this time. Anyway, anytime you see something like a Wikipedia internal acronym but it's not linked, shove "WP:" in front of it, and see if that takes you anywhere when you drop it into the search field.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I used to have trouble with three-letter acronyms, (so much so that I started a user subpage about them) and I still see a new one from time to time. I think WP:Wikispeak should help you with that. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

VolkerRail

Hi there, We have been trying to edit our company page (VolkerRail (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)) for a while now but none of our edits have been approved. A lot of the information on our page is outdated and many things have changed- we think a couple of the reasons you may not be approving our changes is based on lack of referencing, of which we can only really reference a few sites because most of the information is internal or that it may sound like an advert. This is not our purpose- we are only putting down facts. Please let us know what we can do to get the edits approved. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.48.5 (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi there back atcha! You may find that Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations is a helpful page when trying to add information about your own organization to Wikipedia. The best, most succinct advise I can give to help you if you are having trouble is to use the article's Talk Page to provide information you would like to see added or corrected in the article. The talk page is located at Talk:VolkerRail. If you can a) describe what changes you think need to be made and b) provide links to reliable sources so that others can verify the validity of the changes you think need to be made, that would be very helpful to other Wikipedia editors who may be better at writing in Wikipedia's required neutral point of view. In other words, everyone here at Wikipedia, like you, wants the article to be as correct as possible, but Wikipedia has a house style and tone and also has standards of referencing added information so that all people reading it can check its accuracy. If you help us help you, we can all get this article improved. --Jayron32 13:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Coby Electronics

There is incorrect info stated on this company's page. Under key people, there is or never has been any such person named "Michael Garafalo, EE Coby King"

Please delete this.Thank you.

Jodi Sally, VP Marketing Coby Electronics Corp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojo starbux (talk • contribs) 14:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Coby Electronics Corporation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 14:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Problems with editing an article of someone I represent

Sheena Chohan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I edited the article about "Sheena CHohan" and added, improvised the details. However a day later it went back to what is was. Also I had added 2-3 images and that too disappeared. I do not know how to resolve this and there is no troubleshooting for it.

Can someone please help on why this would be happening? It has happened twice already.

Thanks

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aahutimistry (talk • contribs)

The history for Sheena Chohan is sadly lacking in edit summaries. May need to ask the editors on their talk pages to figure out what was happening. RJFJR (talk) 15:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

File File:Sheena Chohan, Tune Factory, March 2012.jpg still exists but is now not used in the article. RJFJR (talk) 15:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Probably because you have removed, without explanation, material that appears to be reliably sourced. As you have a conflict of interest you should not be editing the article. Please use the article's talk page to request changes.--ukexpat (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Page not updating?

Hello,

My name is Luke Bourke. I recently created my first Wiki page (http://policy.lasallemedical.com/index.php/Set_Up_ODBC_Connector_and_Link_to_DSN) (not sure if anyone outside the organization can view the page) and when I edited it because of formatting mistakes I had made on the first attempt, I clicked the Preview tab and everything looks great!! The problem is when I hit the Save Page button - when I do that, it displays the first version I had created? I looked at the View History tab, but I don't know how to make it go to the most recent or if that is the cause of the problem or not?

Please let me know and Thank you for your assistance in advance, Luke Bourke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.15.29.77 (talk) 16:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

We can only offer assistance with the English Wikipedia, however it sounds as though this is a caching issue. Try clearing your browser's cache, and if that doesn't work, go to the edit screen for that page. In the address bar of your browser, replace "action=edit" with "action=purge" and hit Enter. That should force the server to display the most recent version. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 16:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

stats on pages in a category

I've been trying to work out how to get a figure for the total number of article pages in a category but can't find out how, other than going to the category page and noting the number of pages in that category, then all the subcategories with their number of pages within them and the sub-subcategories with their pages, etc. and totalling the numbers up. Rather laborious to drill through, plus there are likely to be some pages in multiple categories, so I would be counting them more than once. Is there a simpler, and more accurate way? Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You can use WP:CATSCAN for this. Put in the name of the category and it will tell you how many articles there are in it. It also allows you to drill down through subcats. Dismas|^(talk) 17:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Just to assure myself I'm on the right track, I tried CATSCAN for Category:Medicine putting "2" in the "Depth" field resulting in a "count" figure at the bottom of 22826. Does that mean there are 22826 article pages to the depth of subcategories of subcategories? If so, does this also include those pages in the parent category (depth "0") plus those in the first level of subcategories (depth "1") or would I have to to add the figures for 0, 1 and 2 together to get this? It crashes if 3 or higher is put as the depth incidentally. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

From what I understand of it, yes, you have it right that it adds the totals of the parent cat as well as the subcats that are two levels deep. And it may not crash if you don't choose such a big category to begin with. Medicine is a huge field to begin with. When you start drilling down more than a couple layers, the number of articles can quickly grow into the hundreds of thousands. Since I have no idea what kind of resources the script has available to it, I can't say what number of results will lead to a crash. Dismas|^(talk) 23:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

IIRC from the last time a question like this came up, it crashes when the number exceeeds 2¹⁶ (65536). Roger (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Proper header

I am engaged in a disagreement about what the proper header should be in a Wikipedia article. So, I would like to solicit some input and advice on the matter here at this Help Desk page. The article is question is Robert Mone. As far as the references section, one editor opines that the header should be "Footnotes", whereas I believe that it should be "References". Our conversation, reasoning, and arguments about this matter are located here: User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro#Robert Mone. And, of course, the Revision History of the edits for this article may be found on the appropriate tab of the article page (which I cannot seem to link here, for some reason). Please advise. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

To be frank this is a pretty lame dispute. In any event and for what it's worth, in my experience either is acceptable, but "References" is slightly more common, "Footnotes" being used in the circumstances described at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners#Alternative system.--ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Whether or not this is a "lame" dispute (whatever that means) in your opinion, this is a valid question that merits a valid answer. I do not see how those are "explanatory" footnotes, and I see them clearly as "citation" footnotes. I could edit war, like many others do. But, I decided to take the high road and come here. Your calling my question "lame" is hardly helpful. So, errrrr ... thanks. I guess. Anyone else can be more helpful, please? Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say your question was lame, I said the dispute was lame. There are much more important things to worry about. But as I said, I think "References" is more common. You should discuss on the article's talk page as is the standard practice.--ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Look ... this is not an edit war. Rather, it's a valid and legitimate question. I am not "worried" about it. Rather, I want an answer to my valid and legitimate question. Thanks. I will await input from others. Your "help" seems like you don't want to help at all. Pretty off-putting, I'd say. Thanks, anyway. Best. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

While it's possible that Ukexpat could have framed their response in a manner that you would find less antagonistic, their advice is correct IMO; you should discuss this at the article's Talk page and attempt to reach a consensus there. If no other editors chime in within a few days, you can attempt to get a 3rd opinion. Doniago (talk) 19:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

First, this is an article with little to no traffic. In fact, the article has an "orphan" tag on it. Second, this is hardly a major issue or controversy. I am sure that no one would weigh in on the (barely traveled) Talk Page, other than the other editor in question and me. Third, this is a pretty general question, not necessarily specific to this exact article and this exact set of references. I must say, I am beginning to regret altogether coming to this page at all. It's a "help desk" that offers anything but? To a pretty simple question, mind you. Wow. Just wow. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, the short version is that the answer is that there's no hard and fast answer. Policy allows for either to be used, as was indicated previously. As there is no default answer, your next step should be to attempt to establish a consensus, which means bringing it up on the article's Talk page...I feel I should note that you probably could have already done that by now, quite quickly. This needs to be done as a matter of course, to establish that you're making an effort to resolve the issue in a proper venue. As I said above, if nobody else chimes in, you're then welcome to bring the matter to WP:3O, where usually an editor will offer a third-opinion and consequently reach a consensus with one of you or the other. You may want to review dispute resolution, which covers this in a lot more detail. TL;DR - while your question was simple, the answer is not, and the best way to get an answer, if you care enough to be this upset about it, is to follow the steps we've already outlined. Doniago (talk) 20:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. But, actually the answer is indeed very simple. Either those footnotes in the Robert Mone article are "citation footnotes" or they are "explanatory footnotes". It's a pretty simple and straight forward matter; thus, it's a pretty simple and straight forward question (and answer). I appreciate your reply above. Unfortunately, you are missing the forest for the trees. Your reply is so overly concerned and preoccupied with "process" (Wikipedia rules, procedures, bureaucracy, etc.), that you are making a very simple question/answer into some long drawn out affair. That's my opinion. The bottom line is that these are clearly "citation footnotes", not "explanatory footnotes". It does not take a lot of process, procedure, and bureaucracy to see that (or, even, to deny that). You seem more concerned with invoking a process, procedure, and bureaucracy ... than answering a very simple and straight forward question. Again ... wow. And this is a "help" page. LOL. I most certainly do regret stopping here first. Next time, I will either edit war or just leave the damn mistake in and let it remain as an error. This (above) is hardly worth my time, energy, and concern. Just unreal. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

So present your thoughts about this on the talk page (and then 3O if nobody responds). These are the proper venues to discuss if you're having a content dispute (which is what this is). Even if you believe your suggestion is most correct, others may not. Or perhaps people will agree with you and disagree with the other user. Or even somewhere in the middle. If you and the other user just stick to your opinions and aren't open to discussion, it's quite possible this could turn into an edit war, and that could lead to protection or blocking that renders both of you unable to edit the article at all. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

And BTW, the MOS is a guideline, not a policy. And this help desk is mainly for questions on how to use or edit Wikipedia, not "I'm having a content dispute and I want you to give me proof I'm right." - Purplewowies (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

This is quite humorous. For a "help page", it seems that everyone's goal is to avoid giving help. Everyone here is so overly preoccupied with "process", that they are missing the main question for which I sought help. Not one reply above addresses the question of whether these are "explanatory footnotes" or "citation footnotes". Not a one. And that is the thrust of the question. It seems you ask a simple question, and every Wikipedia editor completely tunes out the question and goes into "bureaucracy and process" mode. Quite humorous. Yet, hardly helpful. Again, this is supposed to be a "help desk". Far from it. Sorry, just being honest. I am quite bemused that every single response so quickly jettisons to "process" mode ... and not a one has in any way addressed the substantive issue for which I sought help. That is, whether these are "explanatory" or "citation" footnotes. Again, just unreal. Take a step back and look at what you are doing. And what "help" you are offering. LOL. Thanks, nonetheless. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You might want to consider your own advice. You're speaking in a way that many editors might consider antagonistic, and consequently, even if they might have feedback that would be more helpful to you than what others have offered, they may withold it. You catch more flies with honey, and all... In any event, I offered my help and you opted to ignore it, so I'll leave you to someone who can better assist you. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I understand your question. Everybody who has responded is basically looking at the root of why you want us to give you the answer to that question (that is, you're in a dispute with another editor and want it to to prove your point). We are (or I am, anyway) assuming that you're going to use the information to revert without discussing, which could result in an edit war (which would be disruptive and why I linked "point" above). Information about different types of footnotes can be found at Help:Footnotes, but please consider our advice instead of going "that's not what I wanted and I won't even consider it/this 'help desk' is a farce LOL/process/". - Purplewowies (talk) 21:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, your question was not whether they were explanatory footnotes as opposed to citation footnotes. Please review your starting post again. Since it so plainly evident these are exclusively citation footnotes, I'm not sure why you have recapitulated your question in this way or what use it is to have a response here in the affirmative (as you can read this last sentence as being). What you really mean to ask, I think, the rub here, is whether we agree with you when you said at your talk page: "...That section of the MOS says that the term "footnotes" is used when we have explanatory footnotes only. It goes on to say that the term "References" is used when we have citation footnotes..." Close enough. I agree that the subject section of the MoS says this essentially. To be clear, it says in full, for a section with citation footnotes alone, that it should be termed ""References", "Notes", "Endnotes" ("Citations" may be used but is problematic because it may be confused with official awards)." I would not necessarily support your position because this says this. Policy and guideline are not statutes and I always question the assumptions, especially because I have spent much time discussing and making changes to policies and guidelines, so I see them as quite protean ("it does say that, now should it say something different?" is always what I think). However, in this case I do support the change to a "references" section header because I think it is clearer, less surprising and more informative to the reader, and supports the goal of having some degree of consistency in article format.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I am the editor with whom Mr Spadaro is engaged in a "dispute". Frankly, I think he's managed to blow it out of all proportion. I have written many articles for Wikipedia, and personally, I always use the header "Footnotes" for inline citations and "References" for other works which may be useful but which do not have inline citations. I originally added the header to the article, so that's what I used. "Footnotes" seems to me to be the common academic term for citations, which is why I use it. Frankly, I have no intention of getting into an edit war over such a trivial matter, but, as has been stated above, there is no "standard" header as Mr Spadaro claimed when changing the header and therefore the original author's choice of words should be respected (as I would always respect "References" when it has already been added by another editor). -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Students altering my bio page

Hi: A student or (s) who evidently got bad grades from me in my college course - altered my Wikipedia bio page somehow and now I see this complicated discussion below. I have no idea how to fix, delete, etc. all this stuff. Who's making these comments??? David A. Collier

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result was delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2012 (UTC) [edit]David A. Collier David A. Collier (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log • Stats) (Find sources: "David A. Collier" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images) Doesn't seem to meet WP:BIO. Accomplishments seem to be on par with any other non-notable professor in his position with his schooling. Dismas|(talk) 22:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC) Delete - Person doesn't seem notable. Article is completely without wikilinks or proper structure. The (two) sources seem to be self-published. Personal information is included, which makes it look like more like a classified ad than a Wikipedia article. Paper Luigi T • C 23:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC) Very weak keep - if there's a pony under all the autobiographical horseshit. What awards? Is this a named chair at a named school? Does he (minimally) meet WP:PROF? --Orange Mike | Talk 01:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 01:41, 30 June 2012 (UTC) Comment - After a quick check through GScholar and discounting the publications quite clearly belonging to a quite different D.A. Collier, I seem to be coming up with an h-index of a bit above 20, the relevant publications being a mixture of single-authored and co-authored ones. Quite a few of these date back to the 1980s and some seem to be books. I'm not at all sure whether this is high enough to constitute notability in this field and will leave it to others to decide and/or dig deeper if they choose. PWilkinson (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC) Comment The FGCU business school has about 7 named or distinguished professorships/chairs, so he holds a senior position but perhaps not the most senior. I could only find 2 reviews of his books via scholarly searches Interfaces[1]. Marketing News[2] but he's also cited by literature reviews such as[3][4][5]. He seems focused on academic publication rather than the more popular works that get coverage in the mainstream business press. It does need a rewrite, but keeping is a possibility. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:32, 2 July 2012 (UTC) information This article was created by an s.p.a., User:Dcollierfgcu; the account has been blocked indefinitely because this username is apparently an impersonation of Collier, who has denied (in an e-mail to this admin from his official FGCU account) any connection with this account or article. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:58, 2 July 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →Bmusician 02:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 13:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC) Comment It's hard to tell whether or not this deserves to keep - the material may already be there, but it's written in a way which makes it hard to discern. Can someone who knows more about this person write it more clearly, to explain why he's notable?Chriscook54321 (talk) 09:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC) Delete claims of notability must rest on independent, reliable sources. There are simply none here. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.163.147.198 (talk) 19:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

This is not the article about you. What this is is a discussion, located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David A. Collier, whereby the article about you was deleted. Your students had no hand in the matter at all. Wikipedia has minimum criteria (outlined at Wikipedia:Notability) for whether or not any subject matter is appropriate for a topic for an article. When a topic's suitability is questioned, Wikipedia contributors will have an open discussion on whether or not the subject matter meets minimum standards. What you are seeing is the record of that discussion, which decided that, based on a good faith search of evidence, the subject matter did not have enough reliable sources to justify its continued existance, so the encyclopedia article about it was deleted. Does that help explain what was going on? --Jayron32 20:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. Your students didn't have anything to do with that. I'm the one that brought the deletion discussion up and I'd never heard of you before reading the article that we had about you. In other words, I'm not one of your past students. Dismas|^(talk) 23:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

One must wonder at a college professor incapable of parsing a simple deletion debate which includes a pretty clear explanatory introduction. Roger (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Table formatting

Hi, is there some way to set the alignment (left, right, centre) of all the cells in a table column without having to apply the formatting individually to each cell? 86.176.213.246 (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. I don't think HTML tables provide that ability either. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 21:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ken Russell

Tried, after getting my Password sorted out, to get to edit page on Ken Russell, and found could not get to start editing as was blocked somehow.! Can I therefore pass on spotted mistake. In 2000's section there is a mention of 'The Fall of the Louse of Usher'. This should be 'House'!!!Ronald Stein (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ken Russell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Actually it really is the The Fall of the Louse of Usher - if you go to that article you will find the title explained. What message did you get when you tried to edit? The article isn't protected from editing, so I can't work out what stopped you. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

August 24

Joan Hinde

Tried to up-date references but when opening to edit, there is nothing there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.10.195 (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:

     ==References==

   {{Reflist}} or <references/>

The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using <ref>(citation)</ref> tags, which display as footnotes (e.g.^[1][2]) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section colates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the ^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Ulrich W. Schiefer

Hello, my name is Maria. I wrote an article on Ulrich W. Schiefer. The first reviewer said I need to add relieable sources, so I did. However, the second reviewer said the same. Can you please help me and tell me what I need to do differently or what I need to do in the first place. The person I write about is already accepted in German Wikipedia, he has notabilty. What do I have to do? Shall I add different kinds of sources, and what kind? I have added articles that he wrote, for example. Do I need to add his business cards in order to prove that he has worked for all these companies I mention? The article is here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ulrich W. Schiefer

Here's the reviewers statement: This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

Thanks, Maria Maria Konstantinidou (talk) 05:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Right now you have four references. And three of them were written by the subject of the article. In order to demonstrate notability, someone else must have written about the subject. Anyone can have something published. Dismas|^(talk) 06:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:RS for guidance as to what constitutes a reliable source.--ukexpat (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Biased P.O.V.

I have found a blalantly biased statement in an article, but I don't know the proper way to fix it. I don't want to risk such a bold move as deleting, for fear that it might infringe policies.

What is the proper way to denounce this violation of standards to a reviewer/moderator/administrator?

Thanks in advance.

Denis Mattos 06:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denismattos (talk • contribs)

Here are three possibilities:

• Be bold and remove or rewrite the text - just make sure that you give a clear edit summary so that other editors can understand your reasons. If another editor undoes your change, then begin a discussion on the talk page.
• Use a template such as {{POV-statement}} to draw attention to the biased statement, and use the talk page to explain your reasons for adding the template.
• As a more cautious alternative, post more details here and wait for comments. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It would be easier to give a more precise answer if we knew which article you were referring to and which statement in said article. Dismas|^(talk) 07:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I did not want to asume this was the correct place for indicating the article and the statement. I was lead to the article Baju Kurung from a personal conversation and found this among the text: "When they became more civilized with the adoption of Islam as their religion, the Malays slowly covered their bodies according to the tenets and teachings of Islam.".

I consider this statement to be deeply biased. It is not a neutral, neither universal, approach to assume Islamic religion "civilizes" anyone.

Thanks again,

Denis Mattos 10:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I have rewritten that sentence in a more neutral way. Maproom (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

...and I have removed all three history paragraphs as a copyright violation. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Article-on Rodney Ontong written by www.walesonline.co.uk/topicsrodneyontong

Please remove this article from Rodney Ontong Wikipedia (Mystery of missing refund after cricketer's sporting dinner was cancelled,)the article is detrimental to my reputation, as much of the article is unfounded.

Your urgent attention to the above would be greatly appreciated.

Yours sincerely Rodney Ontong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.226.65 (talk) 08:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Rodney Ontong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Wikipedia page Rodney Ontong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Ontong) does not mention this news article, and, as far as I can see, has never done so. If you are concerned about the content of the page at www.walesonline.co.uk then you should take it up there, perhaps using their "Contact us" link. Are there problems with the content of the Wikipedia page? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I am suspicious of the above request.

One possibility is that Mr. Ontong, resenting the walesonline article, has misguidedly chosen to complain about it here. Another is that someone who dislikes Mr. Ontong (and maybe considers that he is due repayment for the dinner) has used this Help desk to impersonate him and draw attention to the walesonline article, in the hope that an editor will add a citation of it to the Rodney Ontong article. The latter seems to me somewhat more likely. (My view is that such a citation should not be added – it would be irrelevant to Mr. Ontong's career as a cricketer.) Maproom (talk) 14:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The IP geolocates to Lisburn in Northern Ireland, as far as I am aware the real Mr Ontong is currently resident in or nearLondon, England. Roger (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Two unrelated articles under the same URL

Hey, Up All Night (One Direction album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The link given above has articles for both the album Up All Night and information about the actor Bruce Willis one after another. With the actors information coming before the information about the album.

I had no idea how to report this, so im posting it here in the help desk.

Is there any way of reporting it? Manalgandhi (talk) 08:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it. I just looked up the article history (found by clicking the history link at the top of the article) and reverted it back to the last "good" version. And here at the Help Desk is a fine place to report small instances of vandalism like this. There is also WP:ANI for more serious cases. Dismas|^(talk) 08:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

here tis

hard to find somewhere to say thank you for all this wonderful information..thos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.220.211.106 (talk) 08:49, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind remark. It is good to know that the result of our work is appreciated. Maproom (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Harriet Jessica Phoebe Bywater (Hetti), was born on the 10th September, 1994 in Reigate, Surrey

I have noted that when you first Google Hetti Bywater it still comes up that she was born on 13 October 1994 in Eastbourne. I have already tried to make the change to say that her birthday is actually 10th September 1994. But it still doesn't come up on the page. It is really annoying that people get the basic facts wrong. I'm fed up with reading lots of rubbbish about her. At least your site is trying to put down basic facts. But please get them right. The reason they often put down Eastbourne, is that the press in Eastbourne said that she was from there. But the press also said she was born in Wales and Hastings too. She did however attend Theatre School in Bexhill, Eastbourne and Brighton, East Sussex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherryb2012 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

What evidence do you have that the birthdate and place you claim is correct? Changes made without presenting any evidence will often be reverted, particularly in biographies of living persons which are subject to stricter rules than most other articles. (BTW the article concerned is Hetti Bywater.) Roger (talk) 09:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Article about Dr. Neema Moraveji

Dear Wikipedia helpdesk, I am a long time user of your website, and has been a bible for me in finding articles or writeups on key people/ event/ places/ happenings. I am now in need of an Article on Dr. Amitava Moraveji, the Director of the Stanford Calming Technology Lab. Could you please help me with the same? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.197.100 (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia dosn't have an article on Neema Moraveji but you can request one at Wikipedia:Requested articles, probably in the subcategory Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Computer science, computing, and Internet#People (although Moraveji's work is interdisciplinary he seems to be a computer scientist by background). --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Follow up question

Above at Wikipedia:Help desk#Single purpose RfA I asked about RfA because of a task I want to do. I want to work through Wikipedia:Database reports/Articles containing red-linked files/1 and remove those redlinks. Should I go ahead and simply do this? Is this considered a controversial task? Should I get a consensus for this first? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Some redlinks are topics we should have an article but don't have one yet; those should be left as redlinks to remind us to write it and so when it is written it will already be linked. Other redlinks are mispellings, those should be fixed. Then some redlinks are on things we have articles on with as different name, those can be piped to the article we do have. Finally there are some redlinks that really aren't a good thing to link and they should be delinked. It may be a matter of opinion on which category a particular redlink is in, but in general be WP:BOLD. RJFJR (talk) 13:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

As long as being bold doesn't make it harder for others to be bold. As noted at WP:REDLINK, redlinks serve an important function, and it isn't wise to unilaterally try to remove all redlinks from Wikipedia. --Jayron32 13:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

How is a redlink to the file namespace useful for others in being bold though? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 13:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

OH! So sorry. I misinterpreted the discussion that you were asking about redlinks in general. You're talking about removing redlinks to missing files, like deleted pics and stuff like that. Yeah, have at it. Those have no reason to exist. --Jayron32 14:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I mainly asked this because I wanted to be sure that this is an uncontroversial editing task. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 14:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It's worth checking the history to see whether the file name was recently changed or vandalised, as you may be able to fix the redlink by re-instating the original file name. But apart from that I can't see any problems with removing them. Category:Pages with missing files is another way of finding relevant articles, and saves you relying on a possibly out-of-date report. Unfortunately another editor got into trouble for doing precisely this, so be prepared to stop and discuss if anyone queries what you are doing. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

No, he got into trouble for issues entirely unrelated to his maintainance of the filespace, despite what his protestations would have you believe. Toshio should be fine, so long as he a) actually cares about false-positives and fixing his errors b) responds to any questions that may come up in a courteous manner. People do get a bit, erm, interested, when they see the same types of edits happening in rapid succession to multiple articles, but as long as Toshio can politely explain what he's doing, I doubt anyone will persist in objecting. --Jayron32 14:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, checking the history seems like a good idea. Yeah, I know that that user performed that task and I am aware of that Arb case (over the correctness of which people are still divided). I will do this completely manually and I will try to take care when doing this, as I have no desire to find myself in front of the Jury :) -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 14:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, my response above was also referring to general redlinks rather than redlinks to files. I didn't notice the word 'files' before '/1' in the name of the report you named. RJFJR (talk) 15:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Verify source

On the article Where the Power Is I wish to verify the quoted text starting "unfolds the tale as ..." in the first refernece. The link requires permission that I don't have. Can someone confirm the contents in http://www.facebook.com/notes/jefferson-jesu/poisoned-electrick-head-where-the-power-is/10150340225499657

PS. I know Wikipedia has a place where you can get a source verified but having spent 10 mins without success looking for it I'm posting here.

If the text exists is it "as a objective observer" or "as an objective observer"? Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 12:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I have a FB account and cannot view the material either because the link no longer works. The author has likely removed it. Dismas|^(talk) 12:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, you may have to be friend with the band member jefferson-jesu to get the permissions see it. Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 12:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Sun Creator, the place you're looking for is most probably WP:Reliable sources noticeboard. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope, but thanks for the reply. It's a matter of verification of the source not whether it is reliable or not. Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 12:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The place you want is Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange, which is designed to do exactly what you want, which is to find people who can access sources you can't. --Jayron32 13:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

YES! It's WP:REX that I was thinking of but couldn't find. Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 14:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Highway sign on exit lists

Hello. I recently created an svg version of the Capital Beltway Sign, and placed it at the top of the infobox for the Capital Beltway article. I would like it to appear in the infoboxes and exit lists of intersecting highways (just as little signs for the New Jersey Turnpike and Garden State Parkway appear in the I-95 (NJ) article, for example. I looked at the edit file for that and other highways, but I can't seem to figure out the coding. Is there a template somewhere that I can't find? Thank you.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 14:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, since this is a non-free image it cannot be used merely for decoration. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:49, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

So this sign is different than or ? I am not 100% sure it is copyrighted, I was playing it safe when I uploaded it. ... Anyway, can someone explain the technical procedure as to how the other ones got on those lists?    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 15:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a bit complicated, but my understanding is that simple shapes and text cannot be copyrightable as artwork, so the standard numbered route sign, like a "24" in a square, is not under copyright protection. However, some signs do pass the Threshold of originality, and as such, need to be treated like any other piece of visual artwork with regards to copyright law, and likewise, at Wikipedia. As far as how the (non-copyrighted) signs get used, you'll probably want to ask at WP:USRD which is the project that works in this area. As far as I remember (having worked on many highway articles, though many years ago) there is a template system they use. It's not hard to use, but it does take a little time to learn it. --Jayron32 15:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)First, you should not be uploading images unless you are completely certain of its copyright status. While claiming fair use is indeed safer than saying it's in the public domain (as the latter could constitute copyright infringement if it is copyrighted, whereas there's no legal issue with the latter), it's very important to get things right as the copyright status severely impacts what we and others can do with the image. Which brings me to answer your question - fair use images are subject to a number of strict criteria, among the most important of which is that they be minimally used, only as necessary to provide justifiable encyclopedic value. Using the image in lists as you describe violates this "minimal use" condition. The logo could probably be used once in an article about the beltway system in general, but it would be difficult to justify use elsewhere. The logos you include above can be used by anyone for any purpose as they are in the public domain, and thus not subject to any form of copyright protection (trademark laws may still apply, but that doesn't significantly impact legitimate use on Wikipedia). I'd recommend you try and determine the actual copyright status of the beltway logo, as if it is fair use you need to specify the exact owner of the copyright on the image page (the image may be subject to deletion otherwise). Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 15:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I am attempting to determine who owns the image, but since more than one state is involved, it is not so easy. As it stands, the logo/sign is used on only the Capital Beltway page, which seems to be fair use. (Am I correct?) I think I will take this discussion over to WP:USRD before I do anything else. Someone there may actually know what we are guessing at. Thank you.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Triple crown nomination

I recently nominated myself for a regular triple crown, as I meet all the criteria. Is there anyone such as a coordinator or a reviewer list, that I could inquire with to speed up the process? Thanks, TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

That award used to be managed by User:Durova, though checking at her contributions history, it looks like she may have drastically pulled back her participation at Wikipedia; it looks like she's only active a few days each month. She is still checking in from time to time, so if you left a friendly note on her user talk page, she should get it the next time she stops by. She's perfectly friendly, from the interactions I have had with her in the past, and I would be surprised if she completely ignored you, though it may take some days or weeks before she checks in. That's the best advise I can offer. --Jayron32 16:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you; I've dropped a note on her talk page. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Using Template:Double image within Template:Multiple image

Is this possible? I wish to create a quadruple image, 4 squares within a square, where each of the 4 images is independent of the others. Can't get it to work perfectly, this is what I get (I don't want the headers and captions):

[[file:|100px|alt=]]

[[file:|100px|alt=]]

Thanks. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))

Do you mean like this?:

File:Solfège-re.svg

File:Solfège-re.svg

Not really, I want them to look like 4 images within a square box. Thanks anyway. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC))

Well, the "NeverAffixed" image is itself not square, so if you want to use a table method you will just have to hand-tweak margins and/or column widths if you want the box exactly square. 86.183.2.108 (talk) 21:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Forget the shape of the content of the frames, it's the frames themselves I want to fit together in a box of 4, as above right, but just without the strange code "File:" and "", don't know why that crops up, I'd like it not to print, then the boxes would fit together. Any more ideas? Thanks. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))

File:Solfège-re.svg

File:Solfège-re.svg

Brilliant! Thanks a lot. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))

I'm a bit confused now ... what is the difference between the one that was "Not really" what you wanted, and the one that is "Brilliant!"? 86.183.2.108 (talk) 23:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion.

Can you PLEASE put a thing in settings, "delete account"? Because I don't want this account anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12ashley (talk • contribs) 17:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It is not possible to delete user accounts, as all contributions must be assigned to some identifier; either a username or an IP address.

All Wikipedia editors have the right to leave Wikipedia for good (ie, permanently). The usual way to leave the Wikipedia project is simply to stop editing. Your contributions remain in Wikipedia. If you wish to resume editing at a later date, you can simply start again by logging into the same account. Old accounts that have any significant edits are almost never deleted or recycled to new users.

If you decide to make a fresh start and do not wish to be connected to a previous account, you can simply discontinue the old account(s) and create a new one that becomes the only account you use. Discontinuing the old account means it will not be used again; it should note on its user page that it is inactive— for example, with the {{retired}} tag —to prevent the switch being seen as an attempt to sock puppet.

Editors seeking privacy per their right to vanish can have their accounts renamed and their user pages and (in some cases) user talk pages deleted. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

search for a winebago to rent

how do i advertise for a winebago-type motor home for a family vacation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.7.117.157 (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Craig's list? --Jayron32 18:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

sortable wikitable

In List of impact craters on Earth, the list is sorting 10, 100, 11, 12, etc. Can this be fixed? Rmhermen (talk) 20:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm… You might be interested in Help:Sorting#Numerical_sorting_problems. benzband (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm puzzled. One solution, which I have used effectively, is to use the sort template. You can see it working correctly in 2009 NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Tournament where the Table sorts by the regular season record correctly. However, when I try the same thing on this table, see test in User:Sphilbrick/sandbox, it doesn't work. There's something different, but I haven't worked out what it is.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Because they sort alphabetically rather than numerically, you can use Template:Hs as a work-around ("{{hs|010}} 10" for example, to sort the value of 10 properly in a list of numbers up to 999). You would need to decide on how many digits your column will have, and apply this to all numbers that have fewer digits. BigNate37_(T) 19:25, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It is literally mindboggling that in 2012, we have to use crude workarounds to sort.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I fixed one of the tables, more work than it is worth.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all. I thought this might have been fixed. I think I remember some Bugzilla request about it. Rmhermen (talk) 22:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Phantom categories

Does anybody have any idea why on the Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Single-level templates page there are four hidden categories that cannot seem to be removed? I have tried purging, null edits, etc.; nothing has worked. There is no option to remove them with HotCat, and they are not manually listed in the source text. The cats in question are Category:User talk pages with Uw-affiliate notices, Category:User talk pages with Uw-bizlist notices, Category:Wikipedia usernames with possible policy issues, and Category:User talk pages with conflict of interest notices. Thanks in advance. NTox · talk 21:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

They are written into the templates that are used on that page. So, for instance, you can have an infobox for lute players with a category written into it that puts the article automatically into Category:Lute players. The category doesn't show up in the source for the article but it does show up in the infobox template source. Dismas|^(talk) 21:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. You might call this a facepalm moment. For some reason, I was under the impression that transclusions of templates did not automatically include the categories that were written into them. Thanks, again. NTox · talk 22:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

August 25

Handicap card replacement

How do I contact someone to replace my handicap card that I lost when I purchased my new car? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.153.15 (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I added a section header to you question. This page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. But, I suggest contacting the car dealer and/or the department of motor vehicles. RudolfRed (talk) 01:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Table border colour

Apropos of something else, I've been trying to figure out how to specify the colour of the cell borders in a table. Despite trying everything I can think of with "border-color" and "bordercolor", I can't get it to work: the borders are always black. Does anyone know how to do this? 86.183.2.108 (talk) 01:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

See Help:Table#Setting borders

The table's caption

Column heading 1	Column heading 2	Column heading 3
Row heading 1	Cell 2	Cell 3
Row heading A	Cell B	Cell C

-- John of Reading (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I am talking about the borders dividing the individual cells, not the border around the whole table. 86.129.16.218 (talk) 11:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The table's caption

Column heading 1	Column heading 2	Column heading 3
Row heading 1	Cell 2	Cell 3
Row heading A	Cell B	Cell C

Like this? — Edokter (talk) — 11:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but no, that's not what I'm after. I want the table to look like this:

Cell A	Cell B
Cell C	Cell D

However, instead of black, I want all the lines to be some other colour. I want to specify that colour once at the top. There is supposedly a global "bordercolour" attribute, but I can't get it to work. 86.129.16.218 (talk) 13:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The border-collapse: collapse; does that. I changed the example. Is this what you're looking for? — Edokter (talk) — 13:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Did you mean border-collapse: collapse;? I thought that just controlled whether you got "double" borders or single. But anyway, more to the point, does the table immediately above, with four cells labelled Cell A, B, C and D now appear to you to have green borders? I see only black. What browser are you using? I'm wondering if this is a bug in IE. What colour borders do you see in the table below?:

Cell A	Cell B
Cell C	Cell D

86.129.16.218 (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I see only double grey borders; "bordercolor" is not a valid HTML attribute. Checking in IE8, I see that my example has a green outer border but the inner border are gray (border-collapse is alien to IE). The only way to get what you want is to either:

1. use inline CSS for each cell separately.
2. use external CSS so you can target all table headers and cells in one go.

Such is life with tables as it is today. — Edokter (talk) — 14:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

When you use whatever browser you used before switching to IE8, do you see all green lines in your example with style="border: 1px solid green; border-collapse: collapse;"? When I change "1px" to "5px" I can see that the outer border for me is actually green (impossible to see at 1px), but the inner cell divisions are still 1px, which suggests in IE that the "border" attribute is not applying at all to the inner cell divisions. What do you see in a.n.other browser? In fact, "bordercolor" is, or was, a valid attribute according to my big fat (old) HTML book, and also according to various websites that I have just checked. One implies that it was originally IE-specific and then written into the spec. 86.129.16.218 (talk) 17:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

When I copy and paste the following raw HTML using "bordercolor" into a .htm file and open it from IE it displays correctly with all red borders. When I view it in Wikipedia, the borders are black:

a	b
c	d

86.129.16.218 (talk) 17:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:ALT

Hey peoples. I would like to add an alt for this image, but am not sure what to write, due to the image itself. Can anyone help me? Cheers, TBrandley 01:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the idea is to describe the picture as if you were talking to someone on the telephone. Perhaps "An aerial view of a widespread built-up area, skyscrapers in the central district, mountains in the background"? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

That works. Thanks! TBrandley 13:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Unified login with Commons

I think I am misunderstanding the unified account process with regard to Commons. (I understand the unified field theory better.) If it means I can sign into Commons with my Wikipedia login, then it doesn't work. If it means I can create an account at Commons with my same username, then it tells my name is to similar to one already in existence. The help page on Commons tell me to go to the Special:MergeAccount page on the wiki I use the most. That would be this one (it is the only one I have used so far), but there is no Special:MergeAccount that I can find. I want to be able to upload stuff to Commons too, but I can't figure out how to get an account. Do I have to make up an entirely different name?    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 02:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No, you should be able to use the same name. If you click this link - Special:MergeAccount - you should then be able to log in at Commons using the same user name and password as you have here. There's more at Wikipedia:Unified login. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

API Limits?

Hi all! I've been doing some serious italic title-ing on articles using a semi-automated PyWikipedia program I created, but I think I may be stumbling into rate limits of some sort - is there a set number? And, secondly, if that is the case: is there a way to become exempt from that? Theopolisme _{:) 05:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)}

Over at Wikipedia:Bot policy, there is a note that "bots doing non-urgent tasks may edit approximately once every ten seconds", so you may be running into that - I have no idea how that is enforced. But you really need to stop and read that page, as there are some formal steps you need to go through before making automated or semi-automated edits. As an aside, I notice that you are adding {{italic title}} to articles that already have it. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

You are also adding {{italic title}} to a lot of articles which shouldn't have it at all, using false edit summaries to boot. That may cause opposition to allowing you semi-automated edits. Your edit summaries say "add {{italic title}} to species name". Scientific names for species and some other taxa should indeed have italics per WP:ITALIC, but many of the articles you edit are not species and many of them shouldn't have italics. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

permission to use photo

I want to use photo 220px_bush_mission_accomplished.jpg on title page of my book. It is on the Net and I understand I do not need special permission, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianadie (talk • contribs) 06:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is using this image under the doctrine of Fair use, which may not apply to your proposed use of the image (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not to be taken as legal advice). Wikipedia's description of this image is at File:Bush mission accomplished.jpg, where you will see that the image belongs to Associated Press. Their page, http://www.ap.org/company/Terms-conditions, explains how to ask them for permission. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I want wikipedia to prove to us that Bo Guagua has a chinese passport.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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when i tried change his nationality to "unknown", you people deleted my change, and called it "vandalism". therefore, I am asking you once again to prove to us that how you found out that the communist leader Bo Xilai's son Bo Guagua who has studied in the UK and USA for more than 10 years, who is probably still living in the usa, has a Chinese government issued passport.

your logic seems to be that since he was born in china, therefore he is automatically a chinese citizen. well. Joan Chen was born in China, but she is not a chinese citizen. Gong Li used to be, but now she is not a chinese citizen, either.

So I want to know did any of your wikipedia admins contacted him directly asked him to verify his citizenship with you? Otherwise, you are just spreading rumors about him that you can't verify! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC6B:6B90:E910:9328:A04:FF13 (talk) 07:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

the examples, collapsed by Mdann52 (talk) 08:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

wikipdea admins are vandalizing your own page! I wrote the following, and your admins reversed this part several times, accused me "vandalizing" your page, then protected communist murderer Gu Kailai's son - [[Bo Guagua once again. I want you to explain to me why what I added here "violated" your rules. And why is it considered vandalism? $100,000 paid for guagua.com In 2010, he paid $100,000 to buy guagua.com from Antonio Marin, a 53-year-old university administrator from Tenerife, Spain.

See Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2012_August_21#Bo_Guagua.27s_nationality_is_UNKNOWN., and discuss on the articles talk page. Not here. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 08:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Bonjour

J'ai vu sur votre site la page concernant le Major Kenneth O PRESTON. Je dois le contacter de toute urgence pour un problème très grave en France le concernant. Comment faire ? MerciMichèle82 (talk) 07:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Kenneth Preston (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I'm sorry, We have no contact details for this person. Je suis désolé, nous n'avons pas les coordonnées de cette personne. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Code needed for a specific template

I need code for templates that also put articles in categories, or is that secret? RocketMaster (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No wikicodes are secret but I'm uncertain what you want. Templates put articles in categories with the same code as articles themselves do it: Help:Category#Putting pages in categories. Templates sometime place the code inside <includeonly>...</includeonly> to prevent putting the template itself in the category. If this doesn't answer your question then please be more specific and give an example article or template if possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Specific Year Quotes

If you aren't going to define quotes for specific years, these categories should not exist until they are defined by matching quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.167.209.19 (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you give a specific example of what you think is not right? --ColinFine (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Scott Joplin

Gentlemen,

I just visited the "Scott Joplin "page, to learn that he was born in Texarkana, Texas ! If my geography is correct and my mind still sound, I remember Tearkama being in SW Arkansas...

Regards

Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.44.93.238 (talk) 12:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Half of Texarkana is in Texas and half in Arkansas, hence the name I guess. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Basically right. Texarkana metropolitan area#Texarkana says: "The name is a portmanteau of TEXas, ARKansas, and nearby LouisiANA". [1] confirms that Scott Joplin was born in Texas. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Images in Wikipedia will not enlarge

When I click on an image in Wikipedia to enlarge it I am directed to a site called www.gophoto.it/view.php This happens every time and has been like this for several days now. Can you tell me what is happening and why images will not enlarge ? JW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.91.241 (talk) 15:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Which article contains the image? Cresix (talk) 15:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

If this happens for different images, it is almost certainly a problem on your computer: you probably have some malware. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It may be a specific group of images that you are looking at. They may have been uploaded by an external site. As per the above, it may be malware. --^CH^RI^S4315 16:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Whenever I click on an image to enlarge it the address of the original upload is always upload.wikimedia.org. I agree with the posters saying it may be malware. To the OP: Try a different computer and see what happens. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 16:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I have found the culprit - something called 1clickdownloader which is a browser extension for Chrome. Disabling it seems to work. Many thanks anyway. JW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.91.241 (talk) 16:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

New section tab gone

Resolved

• User talk:BigNate37/TM/Extant organization content notice (edit | user page | history | links | watch | logs)

I can't tell what's suppressing the new section link at the top of this page—I imagine it's a part of one of the templates involved or something, but not sure what. Anyone able to see what's going on here? I'm hoping more eyeballs will make the problem shallow. BigNate37_(T) 17:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what could be causing the problem, but I noticed that the very earliest revision of the page didn't have the New section link at the top. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

{{Request edit}} uses the __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ "magic word". benzband (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed: i have added a parameter to the template, enabling cancelling of the magic word by insertion of |newsection=yes; and boldly applied it to your page :-) benzband (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't quite understand the sense of having {{request edit}} disable the new section link, but thank you for sorting that out. BigNate37_(T) 19:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I tracked down the cause of __NONEWSECTIONLINK__ and removed it completely.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. Thank you, folks. BigNate37_(T) 22:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

editing my page

I recently edited a page and it is not showing the edit even though I saved it. Is there a waiting period? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebeccaBlack111 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No, it should just work. If there is a padlock image at the top of the page, then there is a lock on the article for some reason. If not, try your edit again. Formerip (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Your account shows only one edit, the one to this page.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Possibly not logged in. Formerip (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

name blacklisted?

I want to edit in hindi language but when I go there my usersname is blacklisted and blocked but I never even make an edit there yet. when I go into other languages I can log in and edit but not hindi. can some person help me to log in and edit in hindi language ਰਾਜੇਨ੍ਦ੍ਰ ਸਿੰਘ (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

What does your username mean in Hindi? BigNate37_(T) 22:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

If you are trying to edit the Hindi-language Wikipedia, we can't help here anyway - this is the help desk for the English-language Wikipedia. You will have to raise the issue there. [3] AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

If he has been blocked, that's not really feasible. I was giving the benefit of the doubt here that perhaps their talk page was protected too, but failing that I don't know the procedure for unblock requests on that Wikipedia so I can't advise there. BigNate37_(T) 22:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Links in page not working

Hi, I have searched for the last couple of hours for an answer but can not find one so I hope that you won't mind me asking this.

I have downloaded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet using the tools download as PDF but the navigation links in the page do not work. Have I missed something? I can not see a setting/option for this.

Thanks

Michael

TengoKbailar (talk) 22:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Taishan

The Taishan page is VERY poorly written and riddled with grammatical errors. --Betterkaark (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

rename page

St. Joseph High School (Kenosha, Wisconsin) is a new entity. As of July 1, 2010 we became St. Joseph Catholic Academy as a result of the merging of St. Mark Elementary School, St. Joseph Interparish Jr. High, and St. Joseph High School.

I'd like the title to be changed and have been trying to do this without recreating the page, but I'm getting blocked. Please help change the title as St. Joseph High School no longer exists. Thank you. 75.9.173.103 (talk) 22:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)