Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sharp & Smooth

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The result was Delete - please note this is a second closing of this debate. I thank those that spent further time attempting to determine notability. I note for the record that whilst notability is not verified at this time it may occur relatively soon in the future. --VS ^talk 10:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sharp & Smooth

Fails WP:MUSIC, WP:N. Hardly an assertion of notability in the article, references only mention the name, and I find no significant coverage in reliable sources via google. Has been speedily deleted and recreated before. Amalthea^Talk 18:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with nom, 0 claim to notability mboverload @ 23:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 00:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So please explain the difference in notability between Sharp and Smooth and 10,000 other DJ's that are listed in Wikipedia? You do a quick google search, only find a few pieces of information and that automatically means they are not notable? You obviously know nothing about house music so you are 'obviously' not the right people to judge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.133.94 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are very welcome to prove otherwise, either by finding significant coverage in reliable sources, or by showing that the duo passes any of the inclusion criteria for musicians and ensembles. I notice that you added chart positions for three songs. If the positions you list in the SP column refer to a notable national music chart then the group is indeed notable by the criteria used for this encyclopaedia. --Amalthea^Talk 16:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I was a Sharp & Smooth expert I believe it would be a little easier, however I am one a fan of theirs and the incredibly popular DJ's and Producers whom they work with and who are most definitely notable and already exist here on Wikipedia. I will continue to research and compile as much information as possible, but they certainly deserve a spot on Wikipedia. (70.26.132.229 (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- If the two DJs were notable by the criteria then I'd agree. However I didn't find articles about them here or significant coverage anywhere else [1], and you can't inherit encyclopaedic notability by working with another notable person. --Amalthea^Talk 10:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not arguing that matter. What I am saying is that they are notable and with some time I will provide additional information pertaining to their notability. I have tried to reach out to the labels and various charts which they are linked to so I can get the correct and proper stats and facts. Please bare with me. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.132.229 (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2007 - Nominated for a Grammy (production for Arnold G - "You Got Me Hot") Reference provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.103.111 (talk) 18:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No they weren't. A song they mixed was "placed on the Official Ballot for the 2008 Grammy Awards", whatever that means. --Amalthea^Talk 18:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
yes - you are correct.. Just verified the info. What it MEANS is that their track was added to the ballots as a potential nomination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.103.111 (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In accordance with the criteria for musicians and ensembles, #10 states the following: Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.) Sharp & Smooth have been included in several "notable" compilations, including 1) Paul Van Dyk's "Cream IBIZA", 2) Peter Rauhofers "I Love Montreal", 3) Blended Sound 2 mixed by Chus & Ceballos, Joubin - AND MORE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.103.111 (talk) 03:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have to say, I'm no longer convinced that the duo is not notable. I cannot judge if this article is significant coverage in a reliable source, but mixes of the duo have been included in compilations of notable musicians (Paul van Dyk [2], Peter Rauhofer [3]). It's not passing WP:MUSIC#C10 with flying colors, but it might just pass it. Furthermore, there is no one other article where the information can be properly included. I suggest relisting this debate, for fresh opinions. --Amalthea^Talk 13:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thanks for the comment. On a personal note, I believe that we have spent enough time on this subject matter, and even with fresh opinions - the fact that Sharp & Smooth are are eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia in accordance with NONE other than the policy of Wikipedia (Inclusion on a compilation album etc.), I request that this issue be closed and have the time spent on Wiki inclusions that truly are not eligible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.132.8 (talk) 13:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --VS ^talk 11:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources given insufficient to establish enough notability for its own article.--Boffob (talk) 16:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete recreated after AfD, dubiously notable, full of unsourced spam/vanity - why has it been relisted when should be speedied as spam whatever the notability? jimfbleak (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It was relisted per my recommendation, since the two opinions to delete were given without the notability claim of WP:MUSIC#C10 being in the open. The promotional speech can easily be fixed, but after several recreations and an assertion of notability I'd like to have notability properly determined. --Amalthea^Talk 18:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. First off it seems this should be titled Sharp & Smooth. Secondly, I would say it's a week keep (per WP:MUSIC#C10 as noted above) as mixes aren't generally featured on CDs by some of the top DJs in the world without some press being generated. Having stated that they are also newish and as they seem to be quite successful in a short amount of time I would imagine press clippings are available to meet verifiability concerns. That is, they arguably are notable but I don't know what house music publications to look for. Googling Alex-Bass Miro-Amos David-Mimram "Sharp & smooth" turns up very little presently but it's easy to believe material is out there. -- Banjeboi 15:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Update. I've moved the article and AfD to correct band name per their website. -- Banjeboi 15:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Let's quote WP:MUSIC#C10: "But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article". So even this point of WP:MUSIC suggests there's not enough notability to keep as a separate article.--Boffob (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well that may be fine for a single from an album or a soloist from a group but this is their main article. -- Banjeboi 04:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
comment I've been doing some searching but having a tough time finding publications. I understand that its not quite the same as mainstream artists, and their music is certainly found everywhere, not to mention they do work with an impressive list of DJ's and producers. I agree about a "week pass. nevertheless, still a pass on my account though I would hope to see some more significant material added in the upcoming near future. (Cinquemillo (talk) 23:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

* Comment. Listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music, Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronic music and Wikipedia:WikiProject Rave. -- Banjeboi 04:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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