Talk:Q9659

Autodescription — A (Q9659)

description: first letter of the Latin alphabet

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As per Wikidata:Project chat, I am making this an instance again and adding references for that claim. --Denny (talk) 18:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reference does not say it is an instance. Also, you are misleading people by "as per Wikidata:Project chat" - it is "as per Denny and some others in Wikidata:Project chat". IP-80.134.90.212 (talk) 19:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reasons for me making this an instance again are given on Wikidata:Project chat, so: as per Wikidata:Project chat. --Denny (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point to the exact location? IP-80.134.90.212 (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reference states "the first letter of the English alphabet", which, in my limited understanding of the English language, seems to support the claim "instance of: letter". In particular the definite article 'the' usually indicates definite instances. --Denny (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Denny: Then it would be at most instanceOf letter of the English alphabet. Since, in general it is only "A is a letter of the Latin script." But you created the statement "instance of letter". IP-80.134.90.212 (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So you are saying '"instance of: letter of the English alphabet" would be OK, but not "instance of: letter"'? --Denny (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Denny: I wrote "at most", and meant if the rest of the statement is correct, then it would lead to that.

'A is a letter of the Latin script' - no source, but one could use Unicode's definition of Latin script.
'A is the first letter of the English alphabet' - you used the same source for
- 'A instance of letter'
- 'A part of English alphabet' - this would mean it is only the Latin-script A, then you could also say instance of "Latin-script letter", which is a subclass of 'letter', correct?

IP-80.134.90.212 (talk) 21:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I fail to understand what you mean. Can you try to rephrase? --Denny (talk) 21:31, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is effectively a class (rather than just an instance) containing multiple letters (lowercase, uppercase, and other distinctive forms)... The fact that they are not distringuished in MediaWiki pagenames on wikis that have non-sensitive initial in titles does not justify making it an instance; these articles in Wikipedia are merging the concept of letters independantly of their case; this is not the case on Wikidata and they are clearly distinct also in all encodings (ASCII, ISO 8859-*, Unicode). Verdy p (talk) 08:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Followed by B

There are alphabets that don't have a B. The claim, if not restricted, is false. IP-80.134.90.212 (talk) 19:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Either it should be restricted to specific alphabets, or added other relevant successors. --Infovarius (talk) 05:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Q9659

Autodescription — A (Q9659)

Class vs instance

Followed by B

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