User talk:Arlo Barnes

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Works vs Editions

WikiProject:Books follows FRBR, which is a system used internationally be libraries, to distinguish between data recorded for a work and data recorded for an edition. On Wikisource, the two should be placed on separate data items. This way, multiple editions of a work can each have their data stored on Wikidata, without confusion. Each published edition should be separate from all other editions, and separate from a data item for the work of literature. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

For example: Death Comes for the Archbishop (Q115978630) is the 2023 Standard Ebooks edition. And I have created Death comes for the Archbishop (Q117344844) for the 1927 edition being transcribed at en.WS. These two editions must have their own data items, or else there would be multiple dates, publishers, distribution formats, and links all jumbled together on the same data item. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@encycloPetey: Thank you. So https://librivox.org/death-comes-for-the-archbishop-willa-cather would have its own item, or would it be whichever edition they are reading from? — user:Arlo Barnes (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

If it's possible to identify which edition they read from, then it could be placed on that edition. However, that's usually difficult or impossible to determine. Additionally, we need to track information like the reader, publish date for the recording, the cast members if it's a LibriVox perfromed play, or the readers of each section if it's a divided effort reading. So the best option is to give LibriVox recordings their own data items. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

VLM

Are you going to start a discussion on creating a VLM property, so we can import the entire database and do a mix-n-match? RAN (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Yes, please comment at wikidata:property proposal/Veterans Legacy Memorial. Arlo Barnes (talk) 19:37, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

And now, Veterans Legacy Memorial ID (P12389)! 06:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Land acknowledgement question

Hi@Arlo Barnes! I am reaching out to gather some ideas about the approach of adding land acknowledgement information to Wikidata items.

I am working with a group of people on a wikidata project. We wanted to add land acknowledgement to some institutions. Our intuition was to search if there's property to use. We then found that Wikidata users add the land acknowledgement by adding "subject use (P2283) land acknowledgement (Q96200400)" statement and add statement URI as a reference. Some users use "of" qualifier to add information about the groups mentioned in the land acknowledgement. It seems that "of" is being deprecated (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P642). We wonder if you know what will happen to the land acknowledgement statements after "of" is deprecated?

We also see if there's property for other kind of statements. There's also another property for accessibility statement URI https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P9494. We discussed if we can propose a land acknowledgement URI property, which seems more convent for users to add this information. We wonder if you have concerns of creating a new property for land acknowledgement URI?

Our group also found there was a property proposal land acknowledgement deleted recently (https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/land_acknowledgement&action=edit, @Ameisenigel) We wonder if you have thoughts on this topic as well?

Thanks! Gretaheng18 (talk) 17:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

'of' has been labelled as deprecated for years, I don't think anyone is going to remove it until there's a clear solution for transitioning the (many!) statements to another property. Proposing a dedicated property for such acknowledgements seems like a good idea to me and I'd vote for it, although I'll note that I haven't seen most institutions use a webpage for that; it looks like they usually just put it in the footer of the site, or alongside legal notices. In any case, there's always an opportunity to provide the exact phrasing used with quotation or excerpt (P7081) as a qualifier or quotation (P1683) in the references.

Although not directly related to land acknowledgement (Q96200400)s, you may also be interested in meta:Wikiproject Local Contexts. Arlo Barnes (talk) 18:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that Wikidata:Property proposal/land acknowledgement was containing only the template for property proposals but did not contain any information. Feel free to request a new property, but please fill out all required fields. --Ameisenigel (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)